This 16th century pope fascinates me

[Basra]

There is a sadness in his look that i find fascinating. Elongated roman nose with eyes of sadness, prominent beard and a mouth soooo kissable.

 

[Basra]

 

[cunug3aad]

Apparently when he was pope he had to deal with protestant reformation including henry viii of england breaking off the church to get dalaaq gabdhahiisa and also suleymaan ottoman expanding in eastern europe also italian wars. This is the face of a man who is ended his hope for the christian ummah

@Basra what do you think of this pope

 

[NordicSomali]

The Protestant reformation was inevitable. The Vatican was amassing vast richest paid by poor Christian’s.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

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There is a sadness in his look that i find fascinating. Elongated roman nose with eyes of sadness, prominent beard and a mouth soooo kissable.

Lock in habo

 

[Basra]

Apparently when he was pope he had to deal with protestant reformation including henry viii of england breaking off the church to get dalaaq gabdhahiisa and also suleymaan ottoman expanding in eastern europe also italian wars. This is the face of a man who is ended his hope for the christian ummah

@Basra what do you think of this pope
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This pope looks nasty. He has bright cunning eyes, he probably suffered from a medieval disease undiagnosed. Ugliest, unmanly mouth.




Thanks for your input about history. I want to read more about him. I will go to amazon and buy a book.

 

[Basra]

Lock in habo

Your habar awalness amazes me

 

[Basra]

The Protestant reformation was inevitable. The Vatican was amassing vast richest paid by poor Christian’s.

Exactly! Good ol Anne Bolyn who changed history thru her vagina!

 

[Basra]

Apparently when he was pope he had to deal with protestant reformation including henry viii of england breaking off the church to get dalaaq gabdhahiisa and also suleymaan ottoman expanding in eastern europe also italian wars. This is the face of a man who is ended his hope for the christian ummah

@Basra what do you think of this pope
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Do u think Suleiman the magnificent was bisexual?

 

[cunug3aad]

Do u think Suleiman the magnificent was bisexual?

I will have to research this and get back to you. But i thought he had a harem of womens so it wouldnt make sense for him to be bisexual unless he splits his attention thin amongst all of them and sneaks out for ragga. But still he would get caught no

 

[Basra]

I will have to research this and get back to you. But i thought he had a harem of womens so it wouldnt make sense for him to be bisexual unless he splits his attention thin amongst all of them and sneaks out for ragga. But still he would get caught no

He splits his attention thin? I swear you are an odd creature


He was very close to a child white boy ex slave named Pasha Ibrahim who later he promoted to Grand Vizier. They shared same room for many years! Both men were married and had kids-- but then homosexuality was a past time not an identity like it is today!

 

[Basra]

@Barkhadle1520 Slash that u iz Dhulbahante

 

[Barkhadle1520]

@Barkhadle1520 Slash that u iz Dhulbahante

I already told you oromo ban ahay and proud

 

[cunug3aad]

He splits his attention thin? I swear you are an odd creature


He was very close to a child white boy ex slave named Pasha Ibrahim who later he promoted to Grand Vizier. They shared same room for many years! Both men were married and had kids-- but then homosexuality was a past time not an identity like it is today!

Kkkk i am speaking from inexperiance but i am reading the wikipedia page for a summary and i am thinking this was nothing more than a platonic love or at most familial love for two reasons. 1 because like you said qaniisnimo was a pasttime, if i can rephrase i would say people didnt overtly declare sodomic intentions like they do today and so there was less need to be cautious about your friends thinking you to be unwell man. Like my neighbours tell me when they went somalia the ragooyin are very handsy they hug and hold hands whilst in the west that doesnt happen between men, because paradoxically there is a higher chance in the west that the man is gay whereas in. Somalia the man will never be gay if he values his life. And he is also not thinking about it the implications of his actions with other men. This meaning men ended up with more stronger friendships bonds in these older societies and islamic society than in the west! Kawaran basically bromance

Lumbar 2 because he loved his woman very much apparently. The ottoman sultans only kept concubines never wives because its was a sign of weakness, but he married his woman and was making poetry about her and infact he spawned a period of time when the women had considerable power in the sultanate called the Sultanate of Women

Relationship with Hurrem Sultan

16th-century oil painting of Hurrem Sultan
Suleiman fell in love with Hurrem Sultan, a harem girl from Ruthenia, then part of Poland. Western diplomats, taking notice of the palace gossip about her, called her "Russelazie" or "Roxelana", referring to her Ruthenian origins.[95] The daughter of an Orthodox priest, she was captured by Tatars from Crimea, sold as a slave in Constantinople, and eventually rose through the ranks of the Harem to become Suleiman's favorite. Hurrem, a former concubine, became the legal wife of the Sultan, much to the astonishment of the observers in the palace and the city.[6]: 86  He also allowed Hurrem Sultan to remain with him at court for the rest of her life, breaking another tradition—that when imperial heirs came of age, they would be sent along with the imperial concubine who bore them to govern remote provinces of the Empire, never to return unless their progeny succeeded to the throne.[20]: 90

Hurrem was the first Ottoman woman to directly take part in state affairs of the Ottoman Empire and she acted as an advisor to Suleiman in taking decisions. She used to sign documents in his absence, attended Imperial council meetings, held meetings with Grand Viziers and ministers to discuss regarding state affairs, controlled the appointments and even removal of ministers, grand vizier and even the Sheikh-ul-Islam from office and corresponded with ambassadors and Foreign rulers, particularly with Sigismund II Augustus. She played a major role in the creation of the Polish-Ottoman alliance.[96] Suleiman not only declared her as his legal wife, but also created an Institutionalized title and position for her as the Haseki sultan of the Ottoman Empire, making her as the second most powerful person in the empire after Suleiman. Suleiman was completely loyal towards her for rest of his life, and his love for her and his decisions to grant her more powers, made rumors throughout the Ottoman court that the sultan had been bewitched.[97]

Under his pen name, Muhibbi, Sultan Suleiman composed this poem for Hurrem Sultan:

Throne of my lonely niche, my wealth, my love, my moonlight.
My most sincere friend, my confidant, my very existence, my Sultan, my one and only love.
The most beautiful among the beautiful ...
My springtime, my merry faced love, my daytime, my sweetheart, laughing leaf ...
My plants, my sweet, my rose, the one only who does not distress me in this room ...
My Istanbul, my Karaman, the earth of my Anatolia
My Badakhshan, my Baghdad and Khorasan
My woman of the beautiful hair, my love of the slanted brow, my love of eyes full of misery ...
I'll sing your praises always
I, lover of the tormented heart, Muhibbi of the eyes full of tears, I am happy.[98]

 

[cunug3aad]

This pope looks nasty. He has bright cunning eyes, he probably suffered from a medieval disease undiagnosed. Ugliest, unmanly mouth.




Thanks for your input about history. I want to read more about him. I will go to amazon and buy a book.

This is pope john the 12th waa saqajaan of the highest order he turned the papal palace into daarul oyin and done zina and played dice and invoked the jinni and shayaadiin

John's dual role as the secular prince of Rome and the spiritual head of the church saw his behaviour lean towards the former rather than the latter.[36] He was depicted as a coarse, immoral man in the writings which remain about his papacy, whose life was such that the Lateran Palace was spoken of as a brothel, and the moral corruption in Rome became the subject of general disgrace. His lifestyle suited the secular prince he was, and his political enemies would use these accusations to blacken his reputation not only to justify, but to obscure the political dimensions of his deposition.

It is for this purpose that Liudprand of Cremona, a partisan of the Holy Roman Emperor Otto I, gives an account of the charges levelled against him at the Synod of Rome in 963:

Then, rising up, the cardinal priest Peter testified that he himself had seen John XII celebrate Mass without taking communion. John, bishop of Narni, and John, a cardinal deacon, professed that they themselves saw that a deacon had been ordained in a horse stable, but were unsure of the time. Benedict, cardinal deacon, with other co-deacons and priests, said they knew that he had been paid for ordaining bishops, specifically that he had ordained a ten-year-old bishop in the city of Todi ... They testified about his adultery, which they did not see with their own eyes, but nonetheless knew with certainty: he had fornicated with the widow of Rainier, with Stephana his father's concubine, with the widow Anna, and with his own niece, and he made the sacred palace into a house. They said that he had gone hunting publicly; that he had blinded his confessor Benedict, and thereafter Benedict had died; that he had killed John, cardinal subdeacon, after castrating him; and that he had set fires, girded on a sword, and put on a helmet and cuirass. All, clerics as well as laymen, declared that he had toasted to the devil with wine. They said when playing at dice, he invoked Jupiter, Venus and other demons. They even said he did not celebrate Matins at the canonical hours nor did he make the sign of the cross.

However, other contemporaries also accused John of immoral behaviour. For example, Ratherius of Verona wrote:

What improvement could be looked for if one who was leading an immoral life, who was bellicose and perjured, and who was devoted to hunting, hawking, gaming, and wine, were to be elected to the Apostolic See?[37]

In the end though, much of the subsequent extreme condemnation of John XII is derived from the accusations recorded by Liudprand of Cremona. So according to fiercely anti-Catholic Louis Marie DeCormenin:

John XII was worthy of being the rival of Elagabalus ... a robber, a murderer, and incestuous person, unworthy to represent Christ upon the pontifical throne ... This abominable priest soiled the chair of St. Peter for nine entire years and deserved to be called the most wicked of popes.[38]

The historian Ferdinand Gregorovius was somewhat more sympathetic:

John's princely instincts were stronger than his taste for spiritual duties, and the two natures—that of Octavian and that of John the Twelfth—stood in unequal conflict. Called as he was in the immaturity of youth to a position which gave him claims on the reverence of the world, his judgment deserted him, and he plunged into the most unbridled sensuality. The Lateran palace was turned into an abode of riot and debauchery. The gilded youths of the city were his daily companions ... The son of the glorious Alberic thus fell a sacrifice to his own unbridled passion, and to the anomalous position which he held as Prince and Pope at the same time. His youth, the greatness of his father, the tragic discords of his position, claim for him a lenient judgment.[39]

Even Horace Mann, a papal defender, was forced to acknowledge:

There cannot be a doubt that John XII was anything but what a Pope, the chief pastor of Christendom, should have been.[40]

They say he died markuu mar gabar buu w*sayay ninkeedu qolka wuu galey wuxuu arkey saqajaan qurun yahay then daaqadda wuu ku tuuray

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[Basra]

Kkkk i am speaking from inexperiance but i am reading the wikipedia page for a summary and i am thinking this was nothing more than a platonic love or at most familial love for two reasons. 1 because like you said qaniisnimo was a pasttime, if i can rephrase i would say people didnt overtly declare sodomic intentions like they do today and so there was less need to be cautious about your friends thinking you to be unwell man. Like my neighbours tell me when they went somalia the ragooyin are very handsy they hug and hold hands whilst in the west that doesnt happen between men, because paradoxically there is a higher chance in the west that the man is gay whereas in. Somalia the man will never be gay if he values his life. And he is also not thinking about it the implications of his actions with other men. This meaning men ended up with more stronger friendships bonds in these older societies and islamic society than in the west! Kawaran basically bromance

Lumbar 2 because he loved his woman very much apparently. The ottoman sultans only kept concubines never wives because its was a sign of weakness, but he married his woman and was making poetry about her and infact he spawned a period of time when the women had considerable power in the sultanate called the Sultanate of Women

They gave birth to ugly sons tho- only his daughter was beautiful but interesting take

 

[Basra]

This is pope john the 12th waa saqajaan of the highest order he turned the papal palace into daarul oyin and done zina and played dice and invoked the jinni and shayaadiin

They say he died markuu mar gabar buu w*sayay ninkeedu qolka wuu galey wuxuu arkey saqajaan qurun yahay then daaqadda wuu ku tuuray

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I wont be surprised. He looks reptilian. And my hunch was right. If he was into sex and orgies- he probably had a venereal disease like Syphilis which was a medieval disease

 

[The Oponian Guild]

You must be a homosexual man, I’ve never heard or seen a woman fantasise about popes much less one from the 16th century.

 

[Basra]

You must be a homosexual man, I’ve never heard or seen a woman fantasise about popes much less one from the 16th century.

And you must be HIV patient

 

[The Oponian Guild]

And you must be HIV patient

This obsession with HIV, you’re only proving me more correct