The Truth about the battle of Wayna Daga and Wofla

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Gurey Al Maqdishi is probably whats meant where Maqdishi was the Somali kingdoms (may or may not include Adal which is besides the point)

 

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Because Arabs are not Portuguese nor Amharic speakers maybe?

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Because Arabs are not Portuguese nor Amharic speakers maybe? the Arabs transliterate all the time, they even transliterate words they first translated to the Latin authors. Ibn Said says he met the Hawiye هاوية of East Africa. The Europeans a few centuries later call it the Ajan coast, shortly after new Arab writers then rewrite the same location their predeccesors visited as اجان. It seems Machidas is another one of Arabs translating Habasha terminology.

Ajan is a portuguese mispronounciation of bar al ajam, what I'm saying is Arabs knew about Mogadishu sultanate why didn't the chronicle say المقادشة or sm thing similar?

 

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Gurey Al Maqdishi is probably whats meant where Maqdishi was the Somali kingdoms (may or may not include Adal which is besides the point)

Does anyone have the original manuscript of these chronicles?

 

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Ajan is a portuguese mispronounciation of bar al ajam,

Nah that’s false and I debunked it with hardcore proof. Ajan is Hawiye. Go through these threads so you get a deeper understanding of things.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/meaning-of-ajan-explained-in-detail.174126/

Post in thread 'EU5 Horn of Africa'
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/eu5-horn-of-africa.178691/post-4283989


Post in thread 'EU5 Horn of Africa'
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/eu5-horn-of-africa.178691/post-4284282

 

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ق← چ / گ
د ← ض

الماقدشي
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الماچدشي / الماگدشي
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الماچدي / الماگدي
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الماچضي / الماگضي
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الماخضي​

Thanks bro.

Ajan is a portuguese mispronounciation of bar al ajam, what I'm saying is Arabs knew about Mogadishu sultanate why didn't the chronicle say المقادشة or sm thing similar?

It was never bar al ajam, not a single map calls it ajam but they all call it ajan or bar al ajan (land of hawiye) or sahil al ajan (coast of hawiye). Ajam means non arabic speaker and is a linguistic term not a geographical or tribal term like ajan/hawiye. If it was a geographical or tribal term then 95% of the world would be called bar al ajam since most ppl arent arabic speakers

 

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Thanks bro.




It was never bar al ajam, not a single map calls it ajam but they all call it ajan or bar al ajan (land of hawiye) or sahil al ajan (coast of hawiye). Ajam means non arabic speaker and is a linguistic term not a geographical or tribal term like ajan/hawiye. If it was a geographical or tribal term then 95% of the world would be called bar al ajam since most ppl arent arabic speakers

How can ajan=hawiye tho? Also numerous yemeni manuscripts call somalia bar al ajam

 

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How can ajan=hawiye tho? Also numerous yemeni manuscripts call somalia bar al ajam

Stop lying bro it makes you look dumb

 

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Stop lying bro it makes you look dumb

U can ask me to show some without insulting me my brudda

 

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U can ask me to show some without insulting me my brudda

Then show it then?

Here I start. It says here "Ajan ou Haouya" (this means "Ajan or Hawiye") in french. It doesn't get more obvious than this.

 

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Then show it then?

Here I start. It says here "Ajan ou Haouya" (this means "Ajan or Hawiye") in french. It doesn't get more obvious than this.

Like this one written by abdul qadir al jaziri, I'm actually shocked that someone like u doesn't know abt this basic thing

 

[Jaale Ugaas]

This old map shows Merehan, Maehidas and Howea. As well as Magadoxo.

They disappear from later maps however.
Here is another map showing these guys.

All of them are Portuguese In origin is suspect. These also correspond to the territory the Emir Hirabu ruled over.

 

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Then show it then?

Here I start. It says here "Ajan ou Haouya" (this means "Ajan or Hawiye") in french. It doesn't get more obvious than this.

Also I found this

 

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The claim that auca gurela is a misspelling of aussa is a big claim. They are two separate words denoting a city. Even if you accept Auca as a misspelling of Aussa wtf is gurela? Also that map is all over the place fatagar being north of kingdom of mogadisu? Adel being so deep into present day Ogaden and nugaal territory? That was the land on the outlying parts of the Adal Sultanate ruled by Emir Hirabu.

 

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Also I found this

This literally the only source available to you. 10 sources vs 1 lmao. Mine are more ancient while you just got one 19th century colonial guy commenting his own opinion on old maps when he dont even speak arabic. Cajam is not the same as Ajan and Cajam cannot designate 1 region when most of the world is "Cajam" in that respect.

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Like this one written by abdul qadir al jaziri, I'm actually shocked that someone like u doesn't know abt this basic thing

This Arabic text of yours refers to the early coffee trade. It mentions him leaving Aden and going to a foreign land. It has nothing to do with the Ajan coast which is centred on the Indian Ocean coast and had nothing to do with Coffee

 

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The claim that auca gurela is a misspelling of aussa is a big claim. They are two separate words denoting a city. Even if you accept Auca as a misspelling of Aussa wtf is gurela? Also that map is all over the place fatagar being north of kingdom of mogadisu? Adel being so deep into present day Ogaden and nugaal territory? That was the land on the outlying parts of the Adal Sultanate ruled by Emir Hirabu.

Bruh keep this Hiiraabu nonsense out of this thread please.

 

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This literally the only source available to you. 10 sources vs 1 lmao. Mine are more ancient while you just got one 19th century colonial guy commenting his own opinion on old maps when he dont even speak arabic. Cajam is not the same as Ajan and Cajam cannot designate 1 region when most of the world is "Cajam" in that respect.


This Arabic text of yours refers to the early coffee trade. It mentions him leaving Aden and going to a foreign land. It has nothing to do with the Ajan coast which is centred on the Indian Ocean coast and had nothing to do with Coffee

Bro he clearly means somalia I could get u more manuscripts calling somalia bar al ajam be fr bro don't make everything abt ur qabiil

 

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Bro he clearly means somalia I could get u more manuscripts calling somalia bar al ajam

Nah you are lying. Send it I will wait.

It was never bar al ajam, not a single map calls it ajam but they all call it ajan or bar al ajan (land of hawiye) or sahil al ajan (coast of hawiye). Ajam means non arabic speaker and is a linguistic term not a geographical or tribal term like ajan/hawiye. If it was a geographical or tribal term then 95% of the world would be called bar al ajam since most ppl arent arabic speakers

be fr bro don't make everything abt ur qabiil

What a hypocrite. It’s you who got defensive when you saw Hawiye being mentioned

 

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Btw Maracatos is Reer Marka. Maracato = Marique = Merka