The Somali IQ Lie

Sophisticate

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There is much talk about Somali IQ scores plastered over the internet but little if any mention of the adversity encountered by Somalis back home which work against IQ gains. For one, you cannot separate the social, cultural, political and economic contexts of a nation when interpreting IQ scores. It’s obvious that educational permeation (the degree to which education has permeated a population in society) is very low in Somalia. We could flesh out details about certain regions having greater social well-being and economic outcomes but as things stand collectively from North-to-South the picture is one of disparity in learning opportunities. These barriers can include geographic accessibility (rural vs. urban), access to funds (as education is predominately fee for access) and gender (female vs. male) with females having exceedingly low school literacy rates that are nearly half of their male counterparts.

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Rarely will you find a high IQ individual robbed of formal learning opportunities, experiencing prolonged starvation, personal experiences of trauma or trans generational trauma brought on by war. Nutritional deprivation can impact subsequent generations and experiences of chronic stress negatively effect brain function. Imagine being in constant survival mode. This would result in a precipitous dip in ability to perform higher order tasks. We are also unaware of epigenetic effects that could be passed on intergenerationally.

I suggest refraining from ever using this 68 IQ figure since members of the Somali diaspora are a privileged lot and have been on the receiving end of the Flynn effect (with gains experienced from living in lands that are significantly more equitable, with better nutrition, health and living standards). I’d be cautious over parroting the results of this study by Bakhiet et al. (2017) on Somali children from a Kenyan Refugee Camp. The study was methodologically flawed with one of the co-authors having a dubious history as a researcher (Richard Lynn). That’s enough to lose credibility. Here were other issues in the study:

1. All the researchers were foreigners (3 from Southern Arabia, 1 East Asian, 1 European) and judging by the tone the article was written in they clearly lack cultural-sensitivity and awareness training.

2. No intelligence test is full proof including Raven Progressive Matrices (RPM) which Psychometrists claim is the most culture-free. The RPM doesn’t quite work as well when administered to individuals that are non-English speakers from non-literate societies (with vastly divergent views on what constitutes intellectual success). Before the advent of formal education in Somalia (which also includes religious instruction) Somalis deemed one as intelligent if they were good at performing practical tasks, debate skills were also a sign of intellectual prowess particularly among Guurti (a counsel of elders).

3. Given that Somalis are still predominately nomadic and think more so in concrete terms and filter their understanding of the world through direct experience. They have not been classically trained to understand abstraction and hypothetical reasoning. How could they score highly on such a test? Its set up for them to fail.

4. "No information about the frequency of school attendance for enrolled children." The authors failed to account for age of entry into schooling and previous years of exposure to formal learning. For instance, in Somalia it’s not uncommon for children to begin school as late as early adolescence or have disruptions in their learning.

5. They made it seem as though IQ was static and failed to declare their biases, assumptions and thoroughly outline the study’s limitations. Also, other studies have shown changes in IQ across the life course especially during adolescence.

6. Another important consideration they didn’t make were the socioeconomic conditions of individuals in refugee camps to that of the Kenyan population which are stark. Kenya limits refugees right to work and freedom of movement and in comparing Somali refugees with locals, they do worse across all other living standard indicators.

We should ALL refrain from propagating this Somali IQ farce. It reflects poorly on us. Joking about it only gives life to this mistruth. I think you owe it to yourselves to be more socially responsible about what you write online. As there are many young people here. Repeating this could potentially harm their academic self-confidence. Particularly those that already undermine their abilities and easily fall into the narrative trap of Somalis as suffering intellectually. When this notion is contrary to the anecdotal accounts I’ve witnessed. Even the colonials (I don’t like quoting them) indicated the craftiness of Somalis.

Somalis under the British system of education (prior to the 70s) in Amoud and Sheekh Secondary Schools outperformed their English counterparts on the General Certificate of Examination on their O-levels. I rest my case.

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Samira

Illuminated Xalimo
All I see from this is a bunch of crying and whining. Poor, powerless losers (i.e Somalis) exist to be mocked, ridiculed and demeaned. Get used to it. They are poor in the West, they are poor in the East. They are poor in the South and even poorer in the North. The truth (insofar as the empirical data is concerned) is meaningless in the face of popular conception and the salient realities on the ground. The 68 IQ is simply a better story and explanation of reality than anything you can come up with, and that's why it wins every time
 

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All I see from this is a bunch of crying and whining. Poor, powerless losers (i.e Somalis) exist to be mocked, ridiculed and demeaned. Get used to it. They are poor in the West, they are poor in the East. They are poor in the South and even poorer in the North. The truth (insofar as the empirical data is concerned) is meaningless in the face of popular conception and the salient realities on the ground. The 68 IQ is simply a better story and explanation of reality than anything you can come up with, and that's why it wins every time

GTFO kkk
 

repo

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All I see from this is a bunch of crying and whining. Poor, powerless losers (i.e Somalis) exist to be mocked, ridiculed and demeaned. Get used to it. They are poor in the West, they are poor in the East. They are poor in the South and even poorer in the North. The truth (insofar as the empirical data is concerned) is meaningless in the face of popular conception and the salient realities on the ground. The 68 IQ is simply a better story and explanation of reality than anything you can come up with, and that's why it wins every time
68 means they are very delayed so I find that to be an extremely low average. IQ tests in general can be skewed and that appears to be the case here. The authors from Oman and Saudi were published in Mankind quarterly, a scientific racism journal that promotes eugenics but no any serious peer-reviewed journal.
 

BetterDaysAhead

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All I see from this is a bunch of crying and whining. Poor, powerless losers (i.e Somalis) exist to be mocked, ridiculed and demeaned. Get used to it. They are poor in the West, they are poor in the East. They are poor in the South and even poorer in the North. The truth (insofar as the empirical data is concerned) is meaningless in the face of popular conception and the salient realities on the ground. The 68 IQ is simply a better story and explanation of reality than anything you can come up with, and that's why it wins every time
Who wants to bet this user is a non-somali troll :( idk how comments like this are allowed on a Somali forum
 

MadMullah99

Boqor of Boqors. The man your wife fantasises of.
I would first like to say thank you but no thank you for the well researched and thought out response. It is clear from the replies that trash do not learn no matter the evidence put forward to them.

As a proud Somali, I never once believed myself to be in any shape or form inferior intellectually against any sort of race. In fact because of my Somalinimo pride I could get a test score lower than my Caucasian counterpart and still call him dumb!

“A Somali always felt himself to be twice as good as any white man, or
any other kind of man at all, and still does, even when he is wrong” - Gerald Hanley
 

Sophisticate

~Gallantly Gadabuursi~
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All I see from this is a bunch of crying and whining. Poor, powerless losers (i.e Somalis) exist to be mocked, ridiculed and demeaned. Get used to it. They are poor in the West, they are poor in the East. They are poor in the South and even poorer in the North. The truth (insofar as the empirical data is concerned) is meaningless in the face of popular conception and the salient realities on the ground. The 68 IQ is simply a better story and explanation of reality than anything you can come up with, and that's why it wins every time

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Samira, I expected a more well-crafted response from you. We are (1) acknowledging the state Somalis are in and (2) recognizing that the comforts the west has afforded us with certain luxuries like continuous school enrollment and a decent education. And we're making it clear that those that laugh at other Somalis misfortunes should be criticized.
 
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Samira

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Samira, I expected a more well-crafted response from you. We are (1) acknowledging the state Somalis are in and (2) recognizing that the comforts the west has afforded us certain luxuries like continuous school enrollment and a decent education. And we're making it clear that those that laugh at other Somalis misfortunes should be criticized.

You believe that the 68 IQ is asserted a statement of fact when it is in reality an article of faith. Nobody was ever truly concerned about the legitimacy of the claim but rather its ease in explaining what one suspects or feels. The 68 IQ is a narrative for 100 IQ minds to regurgitate in order to buttress their feelings of superiority in not being Somali (and hence not being associated with poverty, misery, terrorism, anarchy, complete failure etc.) They will continue to laugh at your misfortune because your state of circumstance is inherently risible and tragic to an absurd degree. As things continue to degrade, perhaps the number can be lowered further to reflect this.

To sit down and write an article explaining why it's "wrong" on various grounds, misses the point and reveals you to be yet another bloodless think-piecer. Your words will vanish and the meme shall not be diminished an inch
 

angelplan

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Welcome back Sophisticate. And as usual that was a nice read and very informative indeed.
We are now in 2020 and somalis are NO MORE 68 IQ.

:samwelcome:
 

Sophisticate

~Gallantly Gadabuursi~
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You believe that the 68 IQ is asserted a statement of fact when it is in reality an article of faith. Nobody was ever truly concerned about the legitimacy of the claim but rather its ease in explaining what one suspects or feels. The 68 IQ is a narrative for 100 IQ minds to regurgitate in order to buttress their feelings of superiority in not being Somali (and hence not being associated with poverty, misery, terrorism, anarchy, complete failure etc.) They will continue to laugh at your misfortune because your state of circumstance is inherently risible and tragic to an absurd degree. As things continue to degrade, perhaps the number can be lowered further to reflect this.

To sit down and write an article explaining why it's "wrong" on various grounds, misses the point and reveals you to be yet another bloodless think-piecer. Your words will vanish and the meme shall not be diminished an inch

When did I say it was the statement of fact? The intent of the post was to persuade Somalis to stop using this as a talking point or joking about it. It’s as simple as that. Since when did it deal with the opinions of non-Somalis. They can hold fast to their exaggerated feelings of self-importance by negating others if they please. Trying to alter their views is like drawing blood from a stone which is a futile endeavour. As for being a bloodless think-piecer, at least it’s a micro-step in a positive direction. Certainly, preferable to worshiping puritanically at the altar of LaVey.
 
Why do you think this low IQ number is only given to Somalis, the vast majority of African countries suffer from low iq.

Stop lying to yourselves. Would you live in the Congo, Chad and South Sudan, over living in America, France or Germany?.

Theres a reason why so many Africans are rushing to Europe on boats instead of staying in their corrupted backward shitholes
 
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Sophisticate

~Gallantly Gadabuursi~
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Not gonna lie I didn’t read a word you said because 68 is real, are you also a flat-earther? Why deny the obvious
:mugshotman: @CaliTedesse is this your new cyber macawaiis?

We are losers even if it's not true...:(

:yacadiim: And what do you intend to do with the hand you were dealt?

68 means they are very delayed so I find that to be an extremely low average. IQ tests in general can be skewed and that appears to be the case here. The authors from Oman and Saudi were published in Mankind quarterly, a scientific racism journal that promotes eugenics but no any serious peer-reviewed journal.

Exactly. They authors lack all manner of credibility yet people seem to be upholding this little figure as though it's gospel.

Who wants to bet this user is a non-somali troll :( idk how comments like this are allowed on a Somali forum

She's a professional at being playing the role of a Debby Downer. But her strategic use of BIG words appear to be one of her more redeeming qualities.



Thank you. :ayaanswag:

I would first like to say thank you but no thank you for the well researched and thought out response. It is clear from the replies that trash do not learn no matter the evidence put forward to them.

As a proud Somali, I never once believed myself to be in any shape or form inferior intellectually against any sort of race. In fact because of my Somalinimo pride I could get a test score lower than my Caucasian counterpart and still call him dumb!

“A Somali always felt himself to be twice as good as any white man, or
any other kind of man at all, and still does, even when he is wrong” - Gerald Hanley

I think some are actually highly addicted to negative narratives and bad news. :ileycry: They search it out endlessly to reinforce a dopamine-driven feedback loop.
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Welcome back Sophisticate. And as usual that was a nice read and very informative indeed.
We are now in 2020 and somalis are NO MORE 68 IQ.

:samwelcome:

Thank you @angelplan for the kind words. As usual my dayones, you, @Saredo, and @Gibiin-Udug held a torch for me while I was away.
:samwelcome:

Welcome back.

Thanks Bohol.

Why do you think this low IQ number is only given to Somalis, the vast majority of African countries suffer from low iq.

Stop lying to yourselves. Would you live in the Congo, Chad and South Sudan, over living in America, France or Germany?.

Theres a reason why so many Africans are rushing to Europe on boats instead of staying in their corrupted backward shitholes

The 68 IQ figure was used well before this study by (Richard Lynn) on Sub Saharan Africans in general. Richard Lynn also claimed the same figure for Nigeria by citing studies from the 1960s.:silanyolaugh: The reason for tahribing is due to political instability and or limited opportunities, obviously. They don't have a fair shot in their home countries. Flight to the west comes from zero sum game politics plaguing many African leaders and their cronies.
 

CaliTedesse

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:mugshotman: @CaliTedesse is this your new cyber macawaiis?



:yacadiim: And what do you intend to do with the hand you were dealt?



Exactly. They authors lack all manner of credibility yet people seem to upholding this little figure as though it's gospel.



She's a professional at being playing the role of a Debby Downer. But her strategic use of BIG words appear to be one of her more redeeming qualities.




Thank you. :ayaanswag:



I think some are actually highly addicted to negative narratives and bad news. :ileycry: They search it out endlessly to reinforce a dopamine-driven feedback loop.
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Thank you @angelplan for the kind words. As usual my dayones, you, @Saredo, and @Gibiin-Udug held a torch for me while I was away.
:samwelcome:



Thanks Bohol.



The 68 IQ figure was used well before this study by (Richard Lynn) on Sub Saharan Africans in general. Richard Lynn also claimed the same figure for Nigeria by citing studies from the 1960s.:silanyolaugh: The reason for tahribing is due to political instability and or limited opportunities, obviously. They don't have a fair shot in their home countries. Flight to the west comes from zero sum game politics plaguing many African leaders and their cronies.
Wow are you back ukhti mashallah welcome weve missed u. No he seems like a sheegad since he denies xasuuqii borama and dilla.
 

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