The Seemingly Never-Ending Debate

[psyche]

Islam does not call for sexual violence against slaves either. Can you provide citation for any of these ridiculous accusations you've made? I suppose not.

The Prophet (ﷺ) sent `Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated `Ali, and `Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. `Ali)?" When we reached the Prophet (ﷺ) I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate `Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4350

 

[psyche]

It seems to me like @Whimsical fanatic you've been gradually indoctrinated by Western media and ideology otherwise over the years and have built up a hatred for Islam. Perhaps you were never truly a Muslim to begin with. I'm still waiting on those citations by the way.

And you have been indoctrinated by your parents. We all have different perspectives.

 

[المهندس]

People try and compare islam to other "religions" if you look at it deeply islam is not a religion.

It's a way of life which encompasses everything from how to dress to millitary warfare against oppressors.

Some people are just so deep into their desires and have fallen for waswas that they want an answer for everything, not knowing that we cannot know everything because this is how Allah has designed us to be limited.

Proof ? read the quran some surahs start with Hameem, Baqarah starts with alif laam meem what do these words mean ? no one knows but Allah.

 

[firefox]

The Prophet (ﷺ) sent `Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated `Ali, and `Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. `Ali)?" When we reached the Prophet (ﷺ) I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate `Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4350

You do realize that, some hadiths can not be as authentic as others?

As in hadiths are not to be taken as facts unlike the Quran.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

The Prophet (ﷺ) sent `Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated `Ali, and `Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. `Ali)?" When we reached the Prophet (ﷺ) I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate `Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4350

From whose perspective is this?

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

And you have been indoctrinated by your parents. We all have different perspectives.

How exactly? I learnt Islam on my own. If anything I've been indoctrinated by secular society.

 

[psyche]

You do realize that, some hadiths can not be as authentic as others?

As in hadiths are not to be taken as facts unlike the Quran.

It's in al-bukhari so it's sahih.

If you don't believe in this one you might as well throw away all Hadith books

 

[SOULSEARCHING]

Liberal, freedom of practicing your faith but it comes with other consequences like freedom for gays too.... We can't win

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

The Prophet (ﷺ) sent `Ali to Khalid to bring the Khumus (of the booty) and I hated `Ali, and `Ali had taken a bath (after a sexual act with a slave-girl from the Khumus). I said to Khalid, "Don't you see this (i.e. `Ali)?" When we reached the Prophet (ﷺ) I mentioned that to him. He said, "O Buraida! Do you hate `Ali?" I said, "Yes." He said, "Do you hate him, for he deserves more than that from the Khumlus.

Sahih al-Bukhari 4350

And what does this prove exactly??

 

[LRW20]

I have conservative beliefs, but voting for them would be shooting myself in the foot. I strongly disagree with certain liberal beliefs, but without them I would be probably be one of those somalis back home making those cringey tiktoks

 

[psyche]

And what does this prove exactly??

I'm done.

If you are so illiterate that you can't even read a simple Hadith there's no saving you.

And I'm gonna leave you on the note that the Hadith says Ali raped a female prisoner of war as his 'booty'.

 

[Omar del Sur]

How exactly? I learnt Islam on my own. If anything I've been indoctrinated by secular society.

Masha'Allah!

 

[Juke]

Liberals want to make our sons into homosexuals and our daughters into wh0r3s

I'd rather not exist (what conservatives want) than have that happen

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

I'm done.

If you are so illiterate that you can't even read a simple Hadith there's no saving you.

And I'm gonna leave you on the note that the Hadith says Ali raped a female prisoner of war as his 'booty'.

Are you not also aware of what the Crusaders would do after capturing Jerusalem from the Muslims? Far worse than this.

 

[Apollo]

I was just wondering what China's stance is on LGBT rights because of this thread.

Was reading this:

LGBT rights in China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Only to discover that Westerners made China homophobic while the ancient Chinese didn't mind. I didn't expect that. TIL.

 

[anyways]

The conservatives

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

I'm done.

If you are so illiterate that you can't even read a simple Hadith there's no saving you.

And I'm gonna leave you on the note that the Hadith says Ali raped a female prisoner of war as his 'booty'.

How do you know she was raped? It doesn't specify that in this Hadith.

 

[Mehdi Hassan]

I'm done.

If you are so illiterate that you can't even read a simple Hadith there's no saving you.

And I'm gonna leave you on the note that the Hadith says Ali raped a female prisoner of war as his 'booty'.

All this proves is that Hazrat Ali had sex with a female war prisoner. What's wrong with that?

 

[Radical]

we owe them NOTHING. they are threats to the integrity of our families. they are our enemies and I think way more dangerous than the conservatives.

also, have you not said feminism is compatible with Islam? if you think that, they've already infected you

Oh No! people who want healthcare benifits, worker's rights, economic equality, taxing the rich, free education and freedom from bigotry while being more aware of climate change are LITERALLY more dangerous than the ones who advocate for white supremacy, Islamophobia and crack down on immigration while being complicit in corrupt financial institutions that take advantage of the lower class

 

[Omar del Sur]

Oh no people who want healthcare benifits, worker's rights, economic equality, taxing the rich, free education and freedom from bigotry while being more aware of climate change are LITERALLY more dangerous than the ones who advocate for white supremacy, Islamophobia and crack down on immigration while being complicit in corrupt financial institutions that take advantage of the lower class

aren't you a non-Muslim?