so this is about disagreements in aqeedah amongst shafi'i scholars
this translation is from chatgpt, I think it gives the gist of the passage
If you follow the Shafi madhab you will most likely end up studying ashari scholars. Thats just the reality. A student with different theological views dosen't negate that particularly when shafi'ism is about islamic jurisprudance.
This is comical.
This is comical.
Athari, Ashari, Maturidi and the 4 Madhabs are all Ahlu Sunnah.
I don't like aqeedah wars.
it has been debated 1000+ years by people a lot more knowledge than most today.
Ask anyone in real life who has studied shafi'ism and they will refute this.
I also note the videos you posted is by a "Salafi" Maliki. Who undoubtedly has an agenda.
He/She needs to reconcile their salafi aqeedah of Ibn Taymiyyah with that of Imam Ahmad and Malik before they claim any creed and madhab.
so you thrown out so many shafi ulama from ahlus sunnah. you do know that youre saying the shafi madhab is basically not ahlus sunnah. salafis cant say "half of the shafi madhab is not even ahlus sunnah. its a bad madhab and not really ahlus sunnah because too much asharis." because they will lose credibility.blatant misinformation. Atharis are ahlul sunnah, not Ash'aris and Maturidis.
so you thrown out so many shafi ulama from ahlus sunnah. you do know that youre saying the shafi madhab is basically not ahlus sunnah. salafis cant say "half of the shafi madhab is not even ahlus sunnah. its a bad madhab and not really ahlus sunnah because too much asharis." because they will lose credibility.
yes, some of the later Maliki and Ash'ari scholars like al-Qurtubi (of the famous tafsir) and Nawawi had issues in aqīdah. There, I said it. So what?
You learn fiqh from your madhhab. Just because a scholar has an issues in aqīdah doesn't mean you can't benefit from their work in other areas. If someone did great work in fiqh but had issues in aqīdah- then you take from then when it comes to fiqh not aqīdah. Yourself and some others keep repeating this shubuhat like it's much stronger than it really is. There are tons of Maliki Atharis who follow a madhhab where many of the later scholars were Ash'ari, yet they are able to follow their madhhab just fine.
as usual you are not sticking to your principles.
blatant misinformation. Atharis are ahlul sunnah, not Ash'aris and Maturidis.
as you raise your spear in defense of deviants.
the jahmiyyah were wrong even back then.
if they will prove Imam Shafi'i and his students were Ash'aris then next they should draw a triangle with four angles. the book I posted from in OP is a whole book on aqeedah disputes between Shafi'i fuqaha. the author investigated and wrote a whole book on the subject. that the early Shafi'i scholars were what we might call Atharis and that Ash'arism was a thing of the later Shafi'is.... this is just a historical fact... the most learned Shafi'i Ash'ari in this dunya could not refute it.
You're referring to Redman, I assume. "has an agenda" kulaha. He's an Athari Maliki like myself. That is the "agenda". So... yes.. a guy who translated pro-Athari videos is Athari. I admit it.
Everyone except those "neo-Hanbali" astray people knows that Imam Ahmad was an Athari.
I wasn't going to respond to your post but I am doing so since you wanted to try to bring the Maliki madhhab into it.
The Maliki madhhab is the same story as the Shafi'is. The early scholars were upon the way of the salaf in aqeedah and then Ash'arism became a thing among the later scholars.
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I don't want to say who sent me that because I haven't asked his permission and I don't want to give his username without permission but that was sent to me by one of the top Maliki accounts on twitter. also, anyone who is familiar with the Maliki madhhab should know that many of the top Malikis of today are Salafi in aqeedah.
here is a hanbali sheikh talking about shafi fiqh. count the number of asharis in the list of scholars here.it is some of the later scholars
here is a hanbali sheikh talking about shafi fiqh. count the number of asharis in the list of scholars here.
here is a hanbali sheikh talking about shafi fiqh.
so you dont say asharis are from ahlu sunnah but at the same time recognise the shafi madhab being dominated by asharis? salafis are a minority. most scholars from the shafis are ashari for centuries. hanafis are usually maturidi. zaytoonah institute (maliki) in north africa is ashari.some people keep pressing this point but it's a weak objection.
as you said: