The Relationship Between Somalis, Arabs, and the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

[Cali Maxamed]

Somalis are considered the maternal uncles of the Arabs and in-laws of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). They share a deep and ancient lineage connection.

• Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) married Hagar (PBUH), who gave birth to Isma'il (PBUH) — regarded as the forefather of the Arabs.

• The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married Maria al-Qibtiyya (PBUH), who bore him a son named Ibrahim, who died in infancy.

• Both Hagar and Maria peace be upon them trace their ancestry to Qibt (Copt), son of Mizraim (Miṣrayīm), son of Beiser (Baysar), son of Ham, son of Noah (PBUH).

• According to old genealogical traditions, Somalis descend from:
Samaale, son of Hiil, son of Barbar, son of Punt, son of Qibt (Copt), son of Mizraim (Miṣrayīm), son of Beiser (Baysar), son of Ham, son of Noah (PBUH).

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The Berbers are the ancestors of the Somalis, and this book below provides a detailed examination of that, bringing together all the sources that support it:

Somalia: The Land of the Berbers in East Africa in the Writings of Muslim Geographers and Travelers from the 3rd to the 8th Century AH (9th to 14th Century CE)

Book link: https://hja.journals.ekb.eg/article_137128.html

 

[Cali Maxamed]

Genealogical Chart Of Somali Clans :

 

[Garaannabad]

This remind me, I've once seen someone on the comment section on a YouTube video claimed that hagar was Somali.

 

[Garaannabad]

 

[Cali Maxamed]

This remind me, I've once seen someone on the comment section on a YouTube video claimed that hagar was Somali.

Perhaps he/she is someone proficient in Arabic who reads Arabic sources, especially in history and genealogy, and that’s how he/she arrived at this conclusion. As for me, I share my discoveries with you immediately so that we can exchange ideas, and I always make sure to include the sources that support the theory.

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who has reached this conclusion — it’s a sign that what I'm saying is likely correct.

 

[Garsoore]

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[Garaannabad]

Perhaps he/she is someone proficient in Arabic who reads Arabic sources, especially in history and genealogy, and that’s how he/she arrived at this conclusion. As for me, I share my discoveries with you immediately so that we can exchange ideas, and I always make sure to include the sources that support the theory.

I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one who has reached this conclusion — it’s a sign that what I'm saying is likely correct.

That's amazing discoveries, honestly I'm poor when it comes to this exact topic as I can't find sources supporting this.

 

[Cartan Boos]

Wallahi there no serious relationship between Somalis and dhegecas, stop it bro

 

[Garsoore]

Ydna kind of supports that abtirisi. The Amazigh branch E-M81 and E-V32 meet under grandpa E-M35. I'm kind of sold on this suugo

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M35/

Here is an Abtirisi of theirs is mazigh>kanan>ham

 

[Garaannabad]

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[Riftvalley]

Somalis were elite guards and soldiers in Egypt. A Somali warrior punched up one of furcawns ministers and we got exiled to the Horn of Africa.

 

[Cali Maxamed]

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Arabic Poetry Confirms that "بربر" (Barbar) Is a Proper Name, Not a Title

Arabic poetic verses indicate that the term "بربر" (Barbar), as used to refer to the Somali people, is actually a proper name of a specific individual, not a general title or descriptive label. This is evident in how it appears in the poetry as an indefinite noun, which is not the usual form for titles or group names, but rather for personal names. Furthermore, the word "بربر" (Barbar) is never found in the plural form "برابرة" (Barābara) in these texts, reinforcing the argument that it is a personal name, not a collective or descriptive term.

As for the similarity between the name "بربر" (Barbar) and the Greek or Roman term "Barbaros", it does not necessarily imply that the Somali name was derived from them. Linguistic similarities between languages are common and do not automatically prove borrowing or influence.

For example, in the Somali language, the word for tongue is "Carrab". Does this mean that the Arabs were named "عرب" (‘Arab) because the Somalis gave them that name, believing them to be eloquent speakers and because the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue? And did the rest of the world adopt this name from the Somalis?

Certainly not. That would be an exaggeration. Linguistic resemblance alone does not establish etymological origin or historical transmission.

In this context, we find in one of the Arabic poetic verses the phrase “Āl Barbar” (آل بربر)—a well-known construction in classical Arabic. It was customary among the Arabs to attribute tribes and peoples to their ancestors using the word “Āl” (آل), as in Āl ‘Adnān (آل عدنان), Āl Qaḥṭān (آل قحطان), and others.

It is important to note that “Āl” (آل) here is not the definite article “al-” (الـ) used for defining nouns, but rather means “family of” or “descendants of”, and it is used to indicate lineage from a specific individual.

We see a similar usage in the modern era with Āl Saud (آل سعود)—the ruling family of Saudi Arabia—who are named after their ancestor Saud, not because “Saud” is a title or description, but because it is a proper personal name.

Accordingly, the poet’s use of the expression “Āl Barbar” clearly indicates that “Barbar” is the name of a person, not a general description or collective label. This aligns with the broader pattern found in Arabic poetry and supports the argument that “Barbar”, in this context, is used as a proper name for the forefather of the Somali people, rather than a word derived from “Barbaros” or a term meaning “savages,” as it later came to be used in some European languages.

 

[Garaannabad]

Arabic Poetry Confirms that "بربر" (Barbar) Is a Proper Name, Not a Title

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Arabic poetic verses indicate that the term "بربر" (Barbar), as used to refer to the Somali people, is actually a proper name of a specific individual, not a general title or descriptive label. This is evident in how it appears in the poetry as an indefinite noun, which is not the usual form for titles or group names, but rather for personal names. Furthermore, the word "بربر" (Barbar) is never found in the plural form "برابرة" (Barābara) in these texts, reinforcing the argument that it is a personal name, not a collective or descriptive term.

As for the similarity between the name "بربر" (Barbar) and the Greek or Roman term "Barbaros", it does not necessarily imply that the Somali name was derived from them. Linguistic similarities between languages are common and do not automatically prove borrowing or influence.

For example, in the Somali language, the word for tongue is "Carrab". Does this mean that the Arabs were named "عرب" (‘Arab) because the Somalis gave them that name, believing them to be eloquent speakers and because the Qur'an was revealed in their tongue? And did the rest of the world adopt this name from the Somalis?

Certainly not. That would be an exaggeration. Linguistic resemblance alone does not establish etymological origin or historical transmission.

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In this context, we find in one of the Arabic poetic verses the phrase “Āl Barbar” (آل بربر)—a well-known construction in classical Arabic. It was customary among the Arabs to attribute tribes and peoples to their ancestors using the word “Āl” (آل), as in Āl ‘Adnān (آل عدنان), Āl Qaḥṭān (آل قحطان), and others.

It is important to note that “Āl” (آل) here is not the definite article “al-” (الـ) used for defining nouns, but rather means “family of” or “descendants of”, and it is used to indicate lineage from a specific individual.

We see a similar usage in the modern era with Āl Saud (آل سعود)—the ruling family of Saudi Arabia—who are named after their ancestor Saud, not because “Saud” is a title or description, but because it is a proper personal name.

Accordingly, the poet’s use of the expression “Āl Barbar” clearly indicates that “Barbar” is the name of a person, not a general description or collective label. This aligns with the broader pattern found in Arabic poetry and supports the argument that “Barbar”, in this context, is used as a proper name for the forefather of the Somali people, rather than a word derived from “Barbaros” or a term meaning “savages,” as it later came to be used in some European languages.

I really thought the word 'carrab' same as 'Arab'. Because I though that is from there the connection of those two languages came from.

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Somalis are considered the maternal uncles of the Arabs and in-laws of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). They share a deep and ancient lineage connection.

• Prophet Ibrahim (PBUH) married Hagar (PBUH), who gave birth to Isma'il (PBUH) — regarded as the forefather of the Arabs.

• The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) married Maria al-Qibtiyya (PBUH), who bore him a son named Ibrahim, who died in infancy.

• Both Hagar and Maria peace be upon them trace their ancestry to Qibt (Copt), son of Mizraim (Miṣrayīm), son of Beiser (Baysar), son of Ham, son of Noah (PBUH).

• According to old genealogical traditions, Somalis descend from:
Samaale, son of Hiil, son of Barbar, son of Punt, son of Qibt (Copt), son of Mizraim (Miṣrayīm), son of Beiser (Baysar), son of Ham, son of Noah (PBUH).

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The Berbers are the ancestors of the Somalis, and this book below provides a detailed examination of that, bringing together all the sources that support it:

Somalia: The Land of the Berbers in East Africa in the Writings of Muslim Geographers and Travelers from the 3rd to the 8th Century AH (9th to 14th Century CE)

Book link: https://hja.journals.ekb.eg/article_137128.html

Stop this non sense bro one day a misri or a berber is gonna expose you easily

Berber here is north african berbers, in other version of this abtirsi they include al habasha and al zaylai separate from berbers, were not relate to the prophet either

 

[makadoor]

The Berbers here are the Amazigh, people of North Africa. I know that the term may also refer to Somalis but in this text specifically, what is meant is the Berbers of North Africa .

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