The reason Northern Somalia is more stable than South Somalia

[Bohol]

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Not modern day Cidagale the old Cidagale.

 

[Abdurahman_somali]

Sacad Yonis. Only SY have the balls to challenge everyone.

I just asked, because i was interested, not to instigate between HY. So stop the faan among HY subclans, we usually don't do that.



But if we go to brag about balls, you know that the guy who declared himself the president of the whole Somalia is Xirsi Cismaan

 

[Fiidmeer]

Coldoon may be a good person but he's brainwashed by the "midnimo" crew in Xamar. When he was jailed in Somaliland we saw how many complained to Silaanyo and the government but when he was jailed in Ethiopia most of his supporters were quiet. He was jailed because he was trying to investigate the Jaamac Dubad killings.

 

[Qabille]

Not modern day Cidagale the old Cidagale.

True that. The elders don't want another war and would rather kickback and collect their monthly telesom check.

Btw why doesn't HY try to change things internally instead of going the hawiye route.

 

[Bohol]

Coldoon may be a good person but he's brainwashed by the "midnimo" crew in Xamar. When he was jailed in Somaliland we saw how many complained to Silaanyo and the government but when he was jailed in Ethiopia most of his supporters were quiet. He was jailed because he was trying to investigate the Jaamac Dubad killings.

He is a realist. The only people who are "brainwashed" are those who believe in ictiraaf and other nonsense.

 

[Fiidmeer]

He is a realist. The only people who are "brainwashed" are those who believe in ictiraaf and other nonsense.

How is he a realist? How can someone believe in unity when the south is the most divided place? A realist is the one who sees the situation in the south and wants to distance himself from that mess.

 

[Bohol]

How is he a realist? How can someone believe in unity when the south is the most divided place? A realist is the one who sees the situation in the south and wants to distance himself from that mess.

Isn't Somaliland region also divided? clan divisions is everywhere in Somalia that doesn't change the fact unity of Somalia is the best option hence why he supports it.

 

[Abdurahman_somali]

Isn't Somaliland region also divided? clan divisions is everywhere in Somalia that doesn't change the fact unity of Somalia is the best option hence why he supports it.

The best option ? You began this thread to show how much more the south are divided compared to the north, right ?

 

[Bohol]

The best option ? You began this thread to show how much more the south are divided compared to the north, right ?

It is about political stability not division. All southerners support Somalia unity. Their issue is resource based competition and terrorism infiltration.

 

[Abdurahman_somali]

It is about political stability not division. All southerners support Somalia unity. Their issue is resource based competition and terrorism infiltration.

So judging after your comment, union has not benefited them at all. Union is not the solution for their problem and it will not solve ours.

 

[Bohol]

So judging after your comment, union has not benefited them at all. Union is not the solution for their problem and it will not solve ours.

Real union benefited them the most. During Siad Bare reign and the previous governments before that the south developed the most. Were's on the other hand seeking independence hasn't helped Somaliland region.

 

[Abdurahman_somali]

Real union benefited them the most. During Siad Bare reign and the previous governments before that the south developed the most.

True, but this real union is not realistic in the next years. Union and seccionism both have one effect for SL. International attention, more development, relation with other countries and ect.

The difference is with Somalia we end like Puntland who is a hostage to the rest of the failed State and if we are independent we can easily develop without beeing a hostage.

If the South had anything to offer like 1960 union would be realistic, now it is only a dream.

 

[Bohol]

True, but this real union is not realistic in the next years. Union and seccionism both have one effect for SL. International attention, more development, relation with other countries and ect.

The difference is with Somalia we end like Puntland who is a hostage to the rest of the failed State and if we are independent we can easily develop without beeing a hostage.

If the South had anything to offer like 1960 union would be realistic, now it is only a dream.

And you think recognition is realistic? Somalia is already a one country. Recognition is far fetched though. Puntland is doing better than Somaliland region in many
fields, how is it a "hostage"? it is called having foothold in both. Pland region is but in name
whatever Sland region does however it cooperates with the federal government and doesn't
believe in the fairytale called ictiraaf.


It is 2019 and people in Somaliland region are dying of thirst.

 

[Abdurahman_somali]

I don't think that ictiraaf is realistic but nobody can deny that it is the better option than joining the rest of the chaos Somalia

Puntland does better in many things good for them i don't hate, Somaliland does it in other fields better. Secondly SL has a population of 3.5 Million Puntland less than 1.5 Million, it is more difficult for us to progress in many fields. Thirdly Majeerteen are very produvtive people much better than the most northern tribes and not their unionism benefited them, but their seccionists mentality to put AlMajeerteniya over Somaliness.


SL should stay in this Status quo before joining such a chaos, like some people want to force them. After 5 years im sure the politcal game will change, PL won't accept beeing part of this chaos anymore maybe, the IC will change it's politics with somalia and search for new partners and ways. A failed somalia won't last for more than 5-10 years.

 

[Fiidmeer]

And you think recognition is realistic? Somalia is already a one country. Recognition is far fetched though. Puntland is doing better than Somaliland region in many
fields, how is it a "hostage"? it is called having foothold in both. Pland region is but in name
whatever Sland region does however it cooperates with the federal government and doesn't
believe in the fairytale called ictiraaf.


It is 2019 and people in Somaliland region are dying of thirst.

How can Somalia be one country when it has multiple governments within itself. The FG in Muqdisho is nothing more than a failed UN project. What would Somaliland benefit if it went back to Somalia?

 

[Bohol]

I don't think that ictiraaf is realistic but nobody can deny that it is the better option than joining the rest of the chaos Somalia

Puntland does better in many things good for them i don't hate, Somaliland does it in other fields better. Secondly SL has a population of 3.5 Million Puntland less than 1.5 Million, it is more difficult for us to progress in many fields. Thirdly Majeerteen are very produvtive people much better than the most northern tribes and not their unionism benefited them, but their seccionists mentality to put AlMajeerteniya over Somaliness.


SL should stay in this Status quo before joining such a chaos, like some people want to force
them. After 5 years im sure the politcal game will change, PL won't accept beeing part of this
chaos anymore maybe, the IC will change it's politics with somalia and search for new partners
and ways. A failed somalia won't last for more than 5-10 years.

"join the chaos of Somalia" that doesn't even make sense. Somaliland region is already part
of Somalia just like Puntland region. Federalism is permitted in the Somalia constitution. If
a bomb blows up in Mogadishu it won't affect the other federal states, that is why federalism
was created. Good to see you admitted ictraaf is not realistic.

 

[Bohol]

How can Somalia be one country when it has multiple governments within itself. The FG in Muqdisho is nothing more than a failed UN project. What would Somaliland benefit if it went back to Somalia?

Multiple governments? Somalia is a federal country hence the title "Federal Republic of Somalia". There is one internationally recognized government and few mamuul goboleeds in the republic. "failed UN project" yet controls your airspace.

 

[Abdurahman_somali]

"join the chaos of Somalia" that doesn't even make sense. Somaliland region is already part
of Somalia just like Puntland region. Federalism is permitted in the Somalia constitution. If
a bomb blows up in Mogadishu it won't affect the other federal states, that is why federalism
was created. Good to see you admitted ictraaf is not realistic.

Ictiraaf isn't realistic AT THE MOMENT with the strategy of Somaliland no problem to say that, but becoming a 6th federal state will never happen, you can dream about that as much as you want to.



Federalism failed. Every of these fake states oppose the government and they think they are real states. This is anarchy at it's finest. SL won't be part of this

As i said if the chaos in Somalia keeps going on, SL keeps on beeing peaceful and it's statehood institutions then there is no way SL the IC will allow the status quo another 10 years. One little incident can change the whole game. SL should remain how it is, and it will succeed inshaAllah.

 

[Bohol]

Ictiraaf isn't realistic AT THE MOMENT with the strategy of Somaliland no problem to say that, but becoming a 6th federal state will never happen, you can dream about that as much as you want to.



Federalism failed. Every of these fake states oppose the government and they think they are real states. This is anarchy at it's finest. SL won't be part of this

As i said if the chaos in Somalia keeps going on, SL keeps on beeing peaceful and it's statehood institutions then there is no way SL the IC will allow the status quo another 10 years. One little incident can change the whole game. SL should remain how it is, and it will succeed inshaAllah.

Keep hoping it is already pass nearly 30 years. There is no reason for the international community to recognize Somaliland region. Puntland region and the other mamuul goboleeds also have peace and are politically stable that would mean they would have to recognize them as well.You think the world will tolerate several starving Somali nations who live on aid? when one is already enough trouble for them. I don't think so.

 

[Fiidmeer]

Quit playing dumb. Multiple countries? Somalia is a federal country hence the federal republic of Somalia. There is one internationally recognized government and few mamuul goboleeds in the republic.

It doesn't matter if Somalia is recognized as one government. What matters is what's happening in Somalia. How can a federal state have more power than the Federal Government? Imagine Trump not being able to go to Texas without the governors permission. What would happen if a Governor were to disobey the FG's orders? Wouldn't he be fired? Why isn't that happening in Somalia?

Bohol: There is one internationally recognized government which means the FG has the ultimate power. Isn't that right Farmaajo?

Farmaajo: ...