The Reason for the Migration of the Somali Ancestors from Egypt to the Horn of Africa

The movement of the Somali ancestors from Egypt toward the Horn of Africa can be explained through the close relationship between geography, systems of governance, and the nature of human settlement. Egyptian geography, throughout history, tended to produce centralized autocratic rule, while the geography of the Horn of Africa fostered plurality and freedom.


Egyptian civilization was built entirely around the Nile River, the sole artery of life running through vast barren deserts with no pastures. The narrow fertile banks depended on the river’s annual flood and on the silt and natural fertilizers carried down from its various sources such as Lake Victoria, the Atbara River, Lake Tana, and the Ethiopian highlands. This absolute dependence on a single lifeline placed the population under the forced control of the state, which managed the waters and their distribution. As a result, a rigid relationship of “one ruler – submissive subjects” was established. From the earliest times, Egypt produced the model of the absolute Pharaoh, a system of centralized power that endured for centuries and cemented the image of political despotism tied to agricultural centralization.


By contrast, the Horn of Africa is marked by wide expanses and varied landscapes—plains, plateaus, mountains, and valleys. This environment created a mobile pastoral society, with tribes constantly moving in search of seasonal pasture. Such mobility enabled them to withdraw from the reach of any overbearing central authority and, when necessary, regroup far from it and launch raids in a strategy of attack and retreat. For this reason, Somali history never witnessed a long-lasting despotic regime or a deeply rooted dynasty ruling the entire land. Instead, authority was consistently dispersed among clans, clan confederacies, and semi-independent coastal towns. This balance reflected a spirit of freedom and equality imposed by geography itself, producing a constant equilibrium of power.


Thus, the migration of Somali ancestors from the Nile Valley to the Horn of Africa can, in one sense, be seen as a search for a geographical and social environment more suited to their independent nature. While Egypt’s geography laid the foundations for centralized despotism, the Horn of Africa offered ample space for a nomadic pastoral life—one that rejected prolonged submission to any ruler and preserved freedom through mobility and self-sufficiency.


It should also be noted that the policy of the Pharaohs deliberately kept the Egyptian population divided into factions rather than united. One consequence of this was that, whenever the ruler and his army were defeated by a foreign power, the land was easily occupied without significant resistance from the populace. Foreign domination would then persist for centuries, contributing to the eventual disappearance of the ancient Egyptians themselves, who were replaced over time by other peoples.
 
The ancestors of the Somalis did not live in Egypt. They were in the Eastern Desert , and Egyptian civilization had not yet begun.
But the genetic and historical evidence supports that.

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The problem with this theory is that the tmrca(the most recent common ancestor) of e-v12 is from 8300 b.c . There was no non nilosahran people living in Egypt at the time. So where did these e-v12 guys come from ?
 
But the genetic and historical evidence supports that.

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Wrong map for the migration of cushitic speaking peoples. The ancestors of Somalis were previously a part of the gash group culture which was in modern day eastern Sudan and Eritrea. The ancestors of the somali people (a good chunk) entered the somali peninsula from this route, following the Red Sea.

later reinforced by a migration of camel domesticating T haplogroup people from the Middle East who then form another layer to the ethnogenesis of modern day Somali peoples.
 
Another important point to add is that the truest appellation of somali belongs to the af maxaa speaking somali who are of northern origin, the pre ajuuran/raxanweyn and the various southern af maay groupings are somalicised to a degree, but show evidence of extraneous origins.

They can be considered half somali at best, and that’s only due to the migrations of various af maxaa speaking groups southwards in the last two to three centuries.
 
Wrong map for the migration of cushitic speaking peoples. The ancestors of Somalis were previously a part of the gash group culture which was in modern day eastern Sudan and Eritrea. The ancestors of the somali people (a good chunk) entered the somali peninsula from this route, following the Red Sea.

later reinforced by a migration of camel domesticating T haplogroup people from the Middle East who then form another layer to the ethnogenesis of modern day Somali peoples.
Im pretty sure somalis were already in somalia long before the gash group existed.

Also camels were domesticated in somalia. The hypothesis of them being domesticated in southern arabia falls apart when you realize that people in southern arabia are mainly mountain farmers. It would make no sense for people like that to have been the group to domestic camels.
 
Another important point to add is that the truest appellation of somali belongs to the af maxaa speaking somali who are of northern origin, the pre ajuuran/raxanweyn and the various southern af maay groupings are somalicised to a degree, but show evidence of extraneous origins.

They can be considered half somali at best, and that’s only due to the migrations of various af maxaa speaking groups southwards in the last two to three centuries.
Now this obviously just fkd nonsense.
 
The movement of the Somali ancestors from Egypt toward the Horn of Africa can be explained through the close relationship between geography, systems of governance, and the nature of human settlement. Egyptian geography, throughout history, tended to produce centralized autocratic rule, while the geography of the Horn of Africa fostered plurality and freedom.


Egyptian civilization was built entirely around the Nile River, the sole artery of life running through vast barren deserts with no pastures. The narrow fertile banks depended on the river’s annual flood and on the silt and natural fertilizers carried down from its various sources such as Lake Victoria, the Atbara River, Lake Tana, and the Ethiopian highlands. This absolute dependence on a single lifeline placed the population under the forced control of the state, which managed the waters and their distribution. As a result, a rigid relationship of “one ruler – submissive subjects” was established. From the earliest times, Egypt produced the model of the absolute Pharaoh, a system of centralized power that endured for centuries and cemented the image of political despotism tied to agricultural centralization.


By contrast, the Horn of Africa is marked by wide expanses and varied landscapes—plains, plateaus, mountains, and valleys. This environment created a mobile pastoral society, with tribes constantly moving in search of seasonal pasture. Such mobility enabled them to withdraw from the reach of any overbearing central authority and, when necessary, regroup far from it and launch raids in a strategy of attack and retreat. For this reason, Somali history never witnessed a long-lasting despotic regime or a deeply rooted dynasty ruling the entire land. Instead, authority was consistently dispersed among clans, clan confederacies, and semi-independent coastal towns. This balance reflected a spirit of freedom and equality imposed by geography itself, producing a constant equilibrium of power.


Thus, the migration of Somali ancestors from the Nile Valley to the Horn of Africa can, in one sense, be seen as a search for a geographical and social environment more suited to their independent nature. While Egypt’s geography laid the foundations for centralized despotism, the Horn of Africa offered ample space for a nomadic pastoral life—one that rejected prolonged submission to any ruler and preserved freedom through mobility and self-sufficiency.


It should also be noted that the policy of the Pharaohs deliberately kept the Egyptian population divided into factions rather than united. One consequence of this was that, whenever the ruler and his army were defeated by a foreign power, the land was easily occupied without significant resistance from the populace. Foreign domination would then persist for centuries, contributing to the eventual disappearance of the ancient Egyptians themselves, who were replaced over time by other peoples.
Ancient Egyptians weren’t replaced. They just had their culture & language erased.
 
Ancient Egyptians weren’t replaced. They just had their culture & language erased.
They were replaced, my friend. Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of Egypt knows this without resorting to genetics. Those who still carry E-V12 are less than 20% — a small minority — and even their physical features have changed so much that they no longer resemble their ancestors
 
Im pretty sure somalis were already in somalia long before the gash group existed.

Also camels were domesticated in somalia. The hypothesis of them being domesticated in southern arabia falls apart when you realize that people in southern arabia are mainly mountain farmers. It would make no sense for people like that to have been the group to domestic camels.
Nope. Simply not true on both counts
 
So your "supposed evidence" is the existence of other somali dialects ?

Fascinating.
Jiddu isn’t a somali dialect, and af maay is considered to be a sister language with testing confirming that it has the same rate of intelligibility as Spanish and Portuguese. you’re pretty unlearned in this field I’m coming to find.
 
Nope. Simply not true on both counts
Do you realize even today how small the pouplation of people in eastern sudan and Eritrea is ? There were already pastoralists in somalia before the gash group even existed. You have no real explanation for this.

Second its very obvious that of the two proposed locations of camel domestication in either southern arabia and somalia . The one where actual pastoralists live and constantly interact with livestock woukd make more sense. Domestication is not an easy process. Its something that obviously takes countless attempts
 
Jiddu isn’t a somali dialect, and af maay is considered to be a sister language with testing confirming that it has the same rate of intelligibility as Spanish and Portuguese. you’re pretty unlearned in this field I’m coming to find.
Incredible. Do you realize you were claiming these people weren't actually somali because they had more divergent dialects ?

Also af maay isnt a single dialect but a spectrum with some being more intelligible than others.
 
Incredible. Do you realize you were claiming these people weren't actually somali because they had more divergent dialects ?

Also af maay isnt a single dialect but a spectrum with some being more intelligible than others.
Don’t waste your time with him, it’s obvious he’s just trolling. If you were to ask him about the Mahra in Yemen and why their language is different from Arabic, or about the Himyarite language and how it differed from the language of the Arabs in Hijaz and central Arabia, I wonder what ridiculous answer he’d come up with. Classical Arabic was the language of Quraysh and parts of central Arabia, and the Arabs abandoned all their other strange languages and dialects to adopt Arabic. That’s exactly what should happen with Somalis: one dialect, Maxaa tiri, becomes the standard Somali, and the rest of the dialects fade away.


This is a genealogical tree of Somali clans. If a sub clan cannot trace its lineage to one of the clans in this chart, then it simply isn’t Somali, plain and simple.
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Incredible. Do you realize you were claiming these people weren't actually somali because they had more divergent dialects ?

Also af maay isnt a single dialect but a spectrum with some being more intelligible than others.
Maay is partially mutually comprehensible with Northern Somali,[5] with the degree of divergence comparable to that between Spanish and Portuguese.[6] Despite these linguistic differences, Somali speakers collectively view themselves as speaking a common language.[7]

this is a political arrangement not one based on linguistic study. You wouldn’t call Dutch a dialect of German would you? Even though the two languages are related and somewhat more mutually intelligible.
 
Don’t waste your time with him, it’s obvious he’s just trolling. If you were to ask him about the Mahra in Yemen and why their language is different from Arabic, or about the Himyarite language and how it differed from the language of the Arabs in Hijaz and central Arabia, I wonder what ridiculous answer he’d come up with. Classical Arabic was the language of Quraysh and parts of central Arabia, and the Arabs abandoned all their other strange languages and dialects to adopt Arabic. That’s exactly what should happen with Somalis: one dialect, Maxaa tiri, becomes the standard Somali, and the rest of the dialects fade away.


This is a genealogical tree of Somali clans. If a clan cannot trace its lineage to one of the tribes in this tree, then it simply isn’t Somali, plain and simple.
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Retarded genealogical chart, Stop sending it. Somali identity and origins transcend qabils.
 

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