The mystery of punt deepens.

[Midas]

Guys there were apparently people mining obsidian in the afar triangle in 3400 b.c and shipping it by sea all the way to Egypt.


@Shimbiris @Idilina @The alchemist @NidarNidar

This wadi hammat was a river that dried up in the last 3 thosuand years.

 

[Midas]

Just to put that into perspective These dudes were sailing 1500+ miles 5,500 years ago.

 

[Midas]

This does make me wonder how our ancestors even arrived here. The fact that we have no direct mota or omotic ancestry is incredible when you think about how narrow this route was.

 

[Midas]

The domestication of the donkey was Avery big deal. When they opened up the tomb of either the very first or second pharaoh. They found thm buried with 10 donkeys. This is just like the horse burials of the steppe nomads who domesticated the horse.

Even the description of wealthy members of early eygpt owing 1000+ donkeys makes no sense unless these guys were actually pastoralists

 

[Midas]

The anicnet eygptians apparently had a cattle tax that was incredibly important and they counted all the cattle.

This was also the basis of their chronologu since how long a pharaoh ruled was based on how many cattle counts had been done

 

[Midas]

I've made some more discoveries (specifically connected to somalis) but I'm hesitant about posting about it. Since ive never been a fan of hoteps and ive always thought it was extremely cringe. But if the connections ive discovered are accurate then the basically everything the Somali hoteps were claiming is all true and in fact their claims would be an underestimation of the actual truth.

So im still thinking about it

 

[cunug3aad]

I've made some more discoveries (specifically connected to somalis) but I'm hesitant about posting about it. Since ive never been a fan of hoteps and ive always thought it was extremely cringe. But if the connections ive discovered are accurate then the basically everything the Somali hoteps were claiming is all true and in fact their claims would be an underestimation of the actual truth.

So im still thinking about it

I think you should post it bcos this speculation is very interesting to read even if its legitimacy ends up gets disproved by the others. Always good to try

 

[Midas]

Here goes I've already established the fact up that there was a group of people mining obsidian in the afar region and shipping it to eygpt in the 4th millennium b.c

So lets begin from the fact that the donkey is a very a special animal in that it consumes 3 times less water and 4-5 times less than food than cattle it can also function in hot climates where a cattle would die. Also Of all the wild donkeys it's the somali wild ass thats the most closest to domesticated donkeys

If you look up when donkeys were domesticated it happens around 5 thosuand b.c. this is also the same time that the last common ancestor of e-v32 was born . Also the only people who have e-v32 in large percentages outside of somalis and the somalis assimilated by ormos are the beja.

75% of Upper eygptians have the haplogroup e-v12 but interestingly enough if you look at nubians who live south of aswan( the traditional border of ancient eygpt) its only in about 5-10% of them. Why the sharp decline if this was where e-v12 was born ? ( we also find e-v12 in large amounts in proto somalioids in kenya)



Now suppose these hypothetical proto somali pastoralists domesticated the donkey in 5 thosuand b.c . How would the donkey have reached eygpt ? Well, let's take a look at that 4th millennium b.c obsidian trade route I mentioned earlier.

What do we see ? Curiously, all the earliest predynastic upper eygptian culutres seem to be located at the other end of this wadi hammat ( which used to be a river) trade route. And when do the naqada and its preceding badrian culture seem to be established. All the data seems to point the earliest possible date being around 4500 b.c. (centuries after the domestication of the donkey) and the studies done on badrian and early naqadan skeletons seem to show them being the closest in shape to modern day somali pouplations.



I think you guys are starting to see the right ?
Some of you might ask well what about the increased trade with Mesopotamia in this period ? Well I can also explain that as well. If you look up on Wikipedia eygpt Mesopotamia relations there are two hypothetical routes

Also what did we find when we opened up a tomb which belonged to either the first pharaoh narmer or the second one ? We found the skeletons of 10 donkeys.

My theory would also explain how we somehow find pearl millet which is native to Africa in India.

 

[Midas]

Tldr: around 5000 b.c give or take few centuries e-v12 proto somali pastoralists domesticated rhe donkey and more specifically certain sub lineages of e-v32 . These guys then using this wadi hammar trade route which was a river at the time established settlements around this bend at rhe end of this wadi hammad river. These were the early upper dynasty eygptian culutres. They also likley brought mespotomian goods from the other end of their trade route.

This was remebred in eygptian memory as the land of punt being "the land of gods/ancestors" since the early eygptians defied their ancestors the first predynastic pharaohs as "gods"

 

[Midas]

Also the zebu horned cattle of the indus valley which was supposed "domesticated" between 7-6 thousand years ago is likely actually from somalia. Since we have the lass geel horned cattle paintings which date at the latest from 3500 b.c (and are likely older) . Since why would these indian horned zebh cattle only appear several millenia after the mespotomian and Iranian hornless cattle.

 

[Midas]

Dilmun and magan were also probably colonies that were established by proto somali pastoralists on the other side of their trade route.

The horned bull seals ( which look very similar to the laas geel ones ) are probably are our symbols since as pastoralists our symbols would of course be our livestock and these horned cattle probably occupied a place that camels do in our culutrre today.

 

[Midas]

I think a very strong proof for all this is that basically in all the historical sources and even up until today you have somali merchants present at all the ports of the souther Arabian coast from Mocha in Yemen to the uae and Omani ports of Dubai and muscat .