The Legendary Queen Bati del Wambara, wife of Ahmed Gurrey

[Von]

That's not entirely correct. The Conquest changed the face of the horn forever.

The History of Islam in Africa

I would say the Muslims came out on top.

Collapse is still a collapse, Christian Ethiopia won and Muslim Somalia lose.
Axsum, Abyssinia, Christan Ethiopia have forced us to pay tribute and even the Republic of Ethiopia makes as pay. Why is this the case, make belief is Qabil. All kingdoms in Greater Somalia have been near tribal ones, if we only unite we could have had a different history both past and present. Most likely conquering Ethiopia, Eritrea, East Sudan and Southern Arabia

But muh qabil is better than your's right?

 

[Factz]

But his real name was Ahmad_ibn_Ibrahim al-Ghazi
A lot of Arabs lived in Zelia at that time so...

Ahmed Gurey was part of the Walashma Dynasty. A royal family Somali elite that ruled Adal Sultanate and headquartered in Zeila. The Wikipedia name you just stated was a nickname given to him by the Arab writters.

Here is a source telling you Ahmed Gurey was a Somali born from Zeila.

 

[Crow]

Collapse is still a collapse, Christian Ethiopia won and Muslim Somalia lose.
Axsum, Abyssinia, Christan Ethiopia have forced us to pay tribute and even the Republic of Ethiopia makes as pay. Why is this the case, make belief is Qabil. All kingdoms in Greater Somalia have been near tribal ones, if we only unite we could have had a different history both past and present. Most likely conquering Ethiopia, Eritrea, East Sudan and Southern Arabia

But muh qabil is better than your's right?

If Adal and Ajuuran united, we could have completely erased them from history but at the same time, "muh qabiil" is why we hold the largest territory for any ethnic group in Africa.

 

[Von]

If Adal and Ajuuran united, we could have completely erased them from history but at the same time, "muh qabiil" is why we hold the largest territory for any ethnic group in Africa.

Muh Qabil has nothing to do with why we have the largest territory in Africa, its because we are nomadic pastoralists vs subsistence farming or Bantus that didnt reach the Iron age.
Not much of match up is it now

 

[Crow]

Muh Qabil has nothing to do with why we have the largest territory in Africa, its because we are nomadic pastoralists vs subsistence farming or Bantus that didnt reach the Iron age.

Nomadic pastoralism naturally leads to "muh qabiil" though.

 

[Von]

Nomadic pastoralism naturally leads to "muh qabiil" though.

its harder to rule a people who are always on the move

 

[Cigaal]

But his real name was Ahmad_ibn_Ibrahim al-Ghazi
A lot of Arabs lived in Zelia at that time so...

Lots of Somalis have the name Ahmed and ibrahim. And ghazi is a nickname for those who participate in military expeditions or raids.

 

[James Dahl]

The Christian Empire never recovered from the war and most of their core territories were conquered by Oromos.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Was Ahmed gurey a Somali tho?

Do you consider hawiye to be somali?

 

[James Dahl]

I've long considered writing a historical fiction series.

First book: Amde Seyon's conquest of most of the Horn, and the desperate coalition to oppose him culminating in the Battle of Das where the last resistance to his rule is crushed.

Second book: The simmering rebellion against the Empire, begins to rise after the death of Amde Seyon and the enthronement of his son Newaya Krestos, who takes the throne name Sayfa Ared the Sword of Terror, who marches on Egypt and forces the Mameluke sultan to release the jailed Patriarch of Alexandria. Sayfa Ared supresses all the revolts against his rule by brutally suppressing them and imprisons all the heirs to his vassal kingdoms in his court. Book ends with the birth of Saadadiin and the death of Sayfa Ared at the imperial court.

Third book: The new emperor Dawit enters into a power struggle against Ifat culminating in Saadadiin rebelling against imperial rule. Everyone expects Ifat to be crushed but surprizingly Saadadiin defeats the imperial army and kills Emperor Dawit. Dawit's son and heir Tewodros takes the throne as Walda Anbasa the Son of the Lion but is killed less than a year later leading another army against Saadadiin. This frees up the throne for Dawit's younger son Yeshaq, who is a military genius. Despite most of the army having been destroyed and Adal now leading a huge army of Muslim rebels from across the empire, Yeshaq wins several lopsided battles and marches on Zeila, wiping out Saadadiin's whole army and the Ifat royal family flees to Yemen.

Fourth Book: Yeshaq reconquers the empire of his great-grandfather and brings in Egyptian military advisors, and tries to establish an anti-Muslim alliance with the kingdom of Aragon. Meanwhile in Yemen the sons of Saadadiin prepare to retake their homeland, making landfall in their homeland. One after another Yeshaq kills them in battle, first Sabraddiin then Mansur, and finally crushed the forces of Jamaluddiin but he was mortally wounded in the battle with Jamaluddiin and died. With Yeshaq dead, the last son of Saadadiin, Ahmedudiin turns the tide and defeats the Empire in many important battles and drove them out of the Ahmar Mountains and captured Bale. Ahmedudiin invades Dawaro but is killed by Emperor Zara Yacqob. Exhausted from war, a de-facto armistice takes hold.

Fifth Book: Fifty years have passed and the uneasy peace is broken with Mahfuz invading Dawaro, leading to the assassination of Sultan Mohamed and civil war in Adal. The rise and fall of many sultans leads to the rise of Ahmed Gurey, who wins the civil war and leads an invasion of the Empire.

 

[Puntlandtheglorious]

I've long considered writing a historical fiction series.

First book: Amde Seyon's conquest of most of the Horn, and the desperate coalition to oppose him culminating in the Battle of Das where the last resistance to his rule is crushed.

Second book: The simmering rebellion against the Empire, begins to rise after the death of Amde Seyon and the enthronement of his son Newaya Krestos, who takes the throne name Sayfa Ared the Sword of Terror, who marches on Egypt and forces the Mameluke sultan to release the jailed Patriarch of Alexandria. Sayfa Ared supresses all the revolts against his rule by brutally suppressing them and imprisons all the heirs to his vassal kingdoms in his court. Book ends with the birth of Saadadiin and the death of Sayfa Ared at the imperial court.

Third book: The new emperor Dawit enters into a power struggle against Ifat culminating in Saadadiin rebelling against imperial rule. Everyone expects Ifat to be crushed but surprizingly Saadadiin defeats the imperial army and kills Emperor Dawit. Dawit's son and heir Tewodros takes the throne as Walda Anbasa the Son of the Lion but is killed less than a year later leading another army against Saadadiin. This frees up the throne for Dawit's younger son Yeshaq, who is a military genius. Despite most of the army having been destroyed and Adal now leading a huge army of Muslim rebels from across the empire, Yeshaq wins several lopsided battles and marches on Zeila, wiping out Saadadiin's whole army and the Ifat royal family flees to Yemen.

Fourth Book: Yeshaq reconquers the empire of his great-grandfather and brings in Egyptian military advisors, and tries to establish an anti-Muslim alliance with the kingdom of Aragon. Meanwhile in Yemen the sons of Saadadiin prepare to retake their homeland, making landfall in their homeland. One after another Yeshaq kills them in battle, first Sabraddiin then Mansur, and finally crushed the forces of Jamaluddiin but he was mortally wounded in the battle with Jamaluddiin and died. With Yeshaq dead, the last son of Saadadiin, Ahmedudiin turns the tide and defeats the Empire in many important battles and drove them out of the Ahmar Mountains and captured Bale. Ahmedudiin invades Dawaro but is killed by Emperor Zara Yacqob. Exhausted from war, a de-facto armistice takes hold.

Fifth Book: Fifty years have passed and the uneasy peace is broken with Mahfuz invading Dawaro, leading to the assassination of Sultan Mohamed and civil war in Adal. The rise and fall of many sultans leads to the rise of Ahmed Gurey, who wins the civil war and leads an invasion of the Empire.
[/QUOTE} it’s fake news yeshaq was killed lol by Muslim

 

[BlueKnight]

i just was reading the history of Adal and for the most part, Somalis kings were either beheaded, in hiding or in Ethiopian prisons.
why are we proud of this empire that was subjugated for the most part?

'The Royal Chronicle of Zara Yaqob reports that the Emperor cut Adalitie King Badlay's body into pieces and sent the parts to different parts of his realm'

The Abyssinians lost 7 emperors fighting Adal, how is that being subjugated? Emperor Yeshaq killed by Adal, Emperor Tewodros I killed by Adal, Emperor Eskender assassinated by Adal, Emperor Baeda Maryam killed by Adal, Emperor Na'od killed by Adal, Emperor Lebne Dengel defeated by Adal, Emperor Gelawdewos beheaded by Adal. Also, throughout Adal's supremacy the real powerbrokers with legitimacy in the Adal State and Army were the Imams and generals, not the Sultan, who were mere symbolic figureheads. When the Sultans made peace with the Emperors or vice-versa, the Adal princes, generals and imams like Jamal ad-Din II, Laday Usman, Mahfuz, Ahmed Ibn Ibrahim Al-Ghazi, etc never honored those same treaties and continued to raid deep into the Abyssinian heartland.

 

[Gantaal97]

Was Ahmed gurey a Somali tho?

Imam Ahmed and Ahmed Guray aren't the same person as somalis think cuz they connected those two in one person in their legendary myth.

According to futuh al habesha book Ahmed Guray was chief of Habar Maagadle of Beesha reer Sheikh Isaxaq

It says :

"اول قبيلة وصلت الي الامام قبيلة هبر ماجدلي مع سيدهم و مقدمهم احمد جري بن حسين الصومالي"

In translation

"The first tribe to reach the Imam was the Haber Magaadale tribe with their chief and their leader, Ahmed Guray bin Hussein Al-Somali."

 

[convincation]

Do you consider hawiye to be somali?

Nope, we are hawiye the rest of you are hashiyahs