Too sum up your post .
''Social mobility''.
That example only counts for Somalis who have parents with relatively high social status and wealth to begin with, they can afford to engage in Western degeneracy yet have still leverage to achieve higher. because of social mobility.
Culture and whom you socialize with is important for the people at the bottom of the social-economic ladder. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_capital .
There is no way else to achieve higher social mobility collectively. If you are all copying waste jamaican culture of gang bang, rapping popping hennesy bottles and Saying ''f*ck SCHOOL'' ''GANG GANG'' and get hollered into prison cells en mass , how can you move up the ladder?
You know if you have an education and are interested in organizing and being punctual and having table manners, or if you do outdoor sports, have hobbies, or into nature (planting trees etc), there are some "folks" that call you White. "Oh he is a white person"
This started out as a great post but fell flat since you tried to vindicate the uncomfortable reality of culture and socialization.
Culture led social mobility is how communities thrives not just anecdotal select individuals here and there.
I agree that cultural capital is important for poor people. If you see my other posts in this thread, I basically echoed the same thread.
However, cultural capital is not easy to acquire for people arrived in Somalis position. You guys only hone down on "hiphop" but I think Somali geeljire culture in general translates poorly to the West. Its why Somalis who arrived as refugees uniformly perform poorly in these early generations, even in places w/o "blacks" and major hip-hop influence.
Also to show you why narrowing it down to "black culture" etc is a very simple argument, consider this:
High school students from Black immigrant populations enroll in selective colleges at a higher rate than U.S.-born Blacks and Whites, because they have greater access to resources that influence postsecondary success, say the authors of a new study.
In their new study, published in the journal Sociology of Education, Dr. Pamela R. Bennett, an assistant professor of sociology at Johns Hopkins University, and Dr. Amy Lutz, an assistant professor of sociology at Syracuse University, tracked the enrollment rates for White, native Black and immigrant Black high school students into community colleges, historically Black institutions, four-year non-selective and four-year selective colleges and universities.
“The most important finding of the study is the [reality] that that both third- and later-generation African-Americans and first- and second-generation (immigrant) Blacks are more likely than similar Whites to attend college, including selective colleges,” says Bennett who is the report’s lead researcher.
Their findings reveal that immigrant Blacks or Blacks with immigrant origins enroll in all postsecondary institutions at a greater rate than native-born Blacks and Whites. Moreover, the report indicates that selective colleges enroll nearly four times as many Black immigrants, at 9.2 percent, than native-born Blacks, at 2.4 percent, and Whites, at 7.3 percent. Enrollment among both groups of Blacks in two-year colleges and four-year non-selective schools were virtually equal, teetering, respectively, at 41 percent and 30 percent.
But immigrant Blacks do not value education more, and they are not outperforming native Blacks academically, says Bennett.
“When we compare immigrant Blacks to African-Americans from similar family socioeconomic backgrounds, we find no significant differences between them in their chances of attending college,” says Bennett. “The overall differences we observe are due to differences in their family resources, not because immigrant Blacks are out-performing African-Americans.”
Adds Bennett: “Our findings indicate that [immigrant Blacks] have greater resources, in the form of family structure and private school attendance that are universally helpful in providing opportunities to go to college.”
According to the data, both groups of Blacks are disadvantaged relative to Whites, yet there are important differences between native and immigrant Blacks that could explain the prevalence of immigrant Blacks at selective schools. A larger percentage of immigrant Blacks than native Blacks come from two-parent families and private schools. And nationally both Afro-Caribbeans and Africans have higher household incomes than native Blacks, while African immigrants have higher levels of educational attainment than both native Blacks and Whites.
http://diverseeducation.com/article/12419/
To sum it up, if you wont read, this shows that AA's are outperformed by Caribbeans and Africans in the United States. But more interestingly, the study finds they value education at similar rates. They attribute the difference in the United States, to income and resources of African immigrants.
The irony of all this, is the same "Jamaican culture" you are isolating as the cause of the ills, hasn't harmed Caribbeans outcomes in the United States. Are they simply making better choices there? Dont tell me its because Caribbean-Americans do not assimilate into AA culture, which is patently false.
@Jubba_Man read this post as well.
