The Kaffir Argument That Made Believers Cry

[DR OSMAN]

This is one Kaffir Argument that has me thinking how wrong and unjust and incorrect Believers are. A Kaffir said to me, all he wanted was the basic rights not anything extra or special.

1. The right to life and not live in fear of death or beheading due to their disbelief
2. The right to access a justice system like a believer if anyone breaks the law.
3. Equality of all citizens irrespective of racial, religious, tribal, political views.
4. The right to pursue happiness, work, family life, societal living without feeling like an outcast or treated differently for their disbelief.
5. The right to free speech, ideas in public and private without censoring or threats to life.

I asked those are quite noble demands and all humans should enjoy such basic rights, he replied. I have the right to be a disbeliever, I exercised my free will to disbelieve in God, why am I being harmed or isolated or outcasted from society when even their religion allows free will and the choice to believe or disbelieve.

I had no answer and admitted this freely to him, I searched on Somali-spot and found no answer except pain and hurt and anger from believers who are stuck for words and can't respond and feel their religion is falling apart before their eyes.

War ninkani hadu illahi diido xaq buu uu lee yahay maxad ka rabtan raggow, let him have same rights as qof illahi aqbalay ama go'an ku gaadhay. We shouldn't be persecuting each other over such things when we should be working together to progress our nation, that's all that matters to me. Not where u end up after you die, that's your 'feker and belief' and I have different 'feker and belief'.

@Al Kafi The nihilist position is a responsible position, to make yourself important is wishful thinking, when nature says something else about your god damn body.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I am always interested in the 'minority' position because remember most of our inventions in the world always came from those in opposition or minority. They always intrigue me and when I see believers in majority and persecuting the minority, I feel like the believers are the true 'kaffir' and the disbeliever is the real 'believer'. Weird huh. I just look at people actions, words, arguments and 'weigh' it up scientifically. Believers are the weakest debaters.

I mean try handling Richard Dawkins or Ayan Hersi Intellectuals, it makes Somalis 'cries' and hide away. How can this Somali be on the right path then if these intellectuals are showing them how brain dead believers are. Even me personally when I see Wahabis or those extreme type Muslims who eat with 3 fingers, I excuse myself politely and leave the room. These are 'literalist' baboons, no conceptual thinking whatsoever. The brain is not functioning at high grade at all.

I am fighting now @Al Kafi but @Omar del Sur seems to want to throw his punches in for believers. @Lord of Warshiekh however kept it civil and stuck within the rules of the rational and logical framework as he accepts that framework as reliable.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Ayan Hersi said Mohamed was anti knowledge lol. Innovation means 'invention'.


This means your societies were intended to remain hunter/gatherer and b22n while the Kaffir conquers the world and creates all your medications, weapons, products, goods, etc. No muslim has responded showing weakness and defeat.

Why you think adam was kicked out of the 'garden' lol. He approached the 'tree'. What was that tree? it was 'knowledge'. The tree of knowledge. He wanted 'CILM' and satan tricked him to it. Just like all Humans want 'cilm' till today, don't u want to know how to sequence and build a drone or launch a satellite so you can perve into people homes lol.

That's like the tree of knowledge, but the tree of knowledge today is America, while we 'gravitate' towards it, Ayan Hersi is saying Muslims do not. Meaning you are proud barbarians and backward savages.

 

[Advokaten]

Interesting and true in a sense for a qabilist You dont seem to be stupid autistic You are not stupid not

 

[DR OSMAN]

Interesting and true in a sense for a qabilist You dont seem to be stupid autistic You are not stupid not

I debate atheist on their 'forums' under another nick. They are intelligent people, I give them that. Believers are quite weak and rely on the 'favoritism' and 'majority' card to help them, their argument hold no water when applied for rationality and logical processes, I mean even @Lord of Warshiekh admitted this about 'wahabists' lol. The wahabist have government backing only, not god backing, if the govt stopped backing them in Saudi, wallahi that nigga can't stand one round with a Richard Dawkins or Ayan Hersi type. They need 'protection' from the state to keep 'disbelievers' isolated and shamed in society and made to look 'evil'. I know their games, atheists know their games. The question is how long can they keep it up, before SCIENCE WINS.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I am always interested in the 'minority' position because remember most of our inventions in the world always came from those in opposition or minority. They always intrigue me and when I see believers in majority and persecuting the minority, I feel like the believers are the true 'kaffir' and the disbeliever is the real 'believer'. Weird huh. I just look at people actions, words, arguments and 'weigh' it up scientifically. Believers are the weakest debaters.

I mean try handling Richard Dawkins or Ayan Hersi Intellectuals, it makes Somalis 'cries' and hide away. How can this Somali be on the right path then if these intellectuals are showing them how brain dead believers are. Even me personally when I see Wahabis or those extreme type Muslims who eat with 3 fingers, I excuse myself politely and leave the room. These are 'literalist' baboons, no conceptual thinking whatsoever. The brain is not functioning at high grade at all.

I am fighting now @Al Kafi but @Omar del Sur seems to want to throw his punches in for believers. @Lord of Warshiekh however kept it civil and stuck within the rules of the rational and logical framework as he accepts that framework as reliable.

if you are enlightened and such then why do you take shots at me when I have never said a syllable against you? I have never said anything against you nor do I have any ill will against you. I hope you return to Islam and that's about it.

seriously- I consider the kuffar as enemies but I don't actually wish them harm and I pretty much all the kuffar who know me in real life would say I'm a peaceful, friendly, polite guy..... do you want to have a discussion about something? maybe we can have a discussion if you'd like but you've taken unprovoked shots at me twice (or once- I'm not sure if this was meant as a shot at me) and I don't see why.... what would you like to talk about? you don't seem dumb but I do think you are taking stances which are disappointing

what harm is it to eat with three fingers? why take a shot at someone that does that? someone wants to be sincere and devout, what is wrong with that? what kind of impulse would want to attack such a person? I think you're intelligent but I think a devil is whispering to you... what harm would it do for someone to eat with three fingers? what harm would it do for a person to express their love for Islam and their devotion to Islam?

 

[Omar del Sur]

and that is another thing that bothers me about these people who have allegedly had some sort of higher "enlightenment" and who are now supposedly too "enlightened" to believe as the alleged "fools" believe...

"And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not."

-Surah Al-Baqarah 2:13

the ayat is specifically referring to the hypocrites I believe but it reminds me of these "higher enlightenment" people as well......

anyways..... my issue is..... these people allegedly have some sort of spiritual enlightenment and then this "spiritual enlightenment" leads them to start attacking religious people.... as in Mexico during the time of the Freemasonic dictator Plutarco Calles... Called was into all sorts of Freemasonic occult mumbo jumbo... and then what does it translate to in practice? attack Catholicism and start killing Catholics...... I think my family is related to one of the priests who died during that persecution... he was killed simply because he wanted to be a pious Catholic.....

what kind of "spiritual enlightenment" would lead a person to want to kill a person simply for peacefully wishing to practice their faith?

what about the Freemasonic French revolution? They have a similar "spiritual enlightenment" and this "enlightenment" translates to "let's kill the priests!"

the Freemason-backed Republicans in the Spanish Civil War? they have some sort of alleged "Enlightenment" and what does it translate to? "let's kill random people just for being religious!"

Bolsheviks.... "let's kill random people just for being religious"......

there is a world wide phenomena of people having mysterious forms of "Enlightenment" that mysteriously tend to translate to "let's go after religious people!" and in many cases have even translated to straight-up killing religious people just for being religious.....

if you have an alleged experience of "Enlightenment" and this "Enlightenment" starts telling you to go after people just for being religious..... this is not "Enlightenment".... this is you being manipulated by evil spirits

 

[DR OSMAN]

and that is another thing that bothers me about these people who have allegedly had some sort of higher "enlightenment" and who are now supposedly too "enlightened" to believe as the alleged "fools" believe...

"And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not."

-Surah Al-Baqarah 2:13

the ayat is specifically referring to the hypocrites I believe but it reminds me of these "higher enlightenment" people as well......

anyways..... my issue is..... these people allegedly have some sort of spiritual enlightenment and then this "spiritual enlightenment" leads them to start attacking religious people.... as in Mexico during the time of the Freemasonic dictator Plutarco Calles... Called was into all sorts of Freemasonic occult mumbo jumbo... and then what does it translate to in practice? attack Catholicism and start killing Catholics...... I think my family is related to one of the priests who died during that persecution... he was killed simply because he wanted to be a pious Catholic.....

what kind of "spiritual enlightenment" would lead a person to want to kill a person simply for peacefully wishing to practice their faith?

what about the Freemasonic French revolution? They have a similar "spiritual enlightenment" and this "enlightenment" translates to "let's kill the priests!"

the Freemason-backed Republicans in the Spanish Civil War? they have some sort of alleged "Enlightenment" and what does it translate to? "let's kill random people just for being religious!"

Bolsheviks.... "let's kill random people just for being religious"......

there is a world wide phenomena of people having mysterious forms of "Enlightenment" that mysteriously tend to translate to "let's go after religious people!" and in many cases have even translated to straight-up killing religious people just for being religious.....

if you have an alleged experience of "Enlightenment" and this "Enlightenment" starts telling you to go after people just for being religious..... this is not "Enlightenment".... this is you being manipulated by evil spirits

Omar the reason religion is picked on is how influential and powerful it is over people life. Dude I see my mother sitting there 'glued' to the TV listening to some Sheikh daily, the Quran blasted on the radio. Wallahi if I measure her day god bless her soul she is my mother and I wouldn't want to harm her, it's like 70% Islamic and 30% social things like telephone with friends and family. So I guess this fuels people against religion well it surely does for me so I can speak for myself.

But the other major thing religions are always targetted. It's hard to 'transform or reform or change' people towards your 'enlightment' untill you remove the 'barrier' that god damn book is one option such as burning but that isn't workable for Muslims as they have 'hafiz' who will just write again. The other option is 'genocide' like Stalin model and that seemed to not work as the 'CHURCH' is back strong in today Russia. The final option which I prefer, please IQ test your scholars, make sure they invent something in the world first, before they are allowed into Islamic universities, we know we are dealing with the 'creme la crop'.

I will be real with you bro. Humans love knowledge. We just can't get enough of it. It's why Adam was kicked out of the garden, he approached the tree of knowledge that god told him not too. We all would approach it, why? We want to know the secrets and knowledge behind everything. I don't blame Adam for falling, having such test, I would too. Today brother that tree of knowledge is America, notice how everyone is trying to copy Americans, the only reason is 'knowledge'. If Africa or Asia had that knowledge, it would be the same with the world now imitating or copying them. The reason isn't racial or geographic or cultural, it's that THIRST OF KNOWLEDGE.

Today Islam no offence provides no tangible knowledge, they excel in no secular field of study, I mean the dude can barely create a medicine or cure or vaccine and you want that guy to teach you about the creator? he doesn't even understand the creation lol, send him back to the basics and save the ummah from scholars like this who have no 'reason' to allow knowledge and light to enter the hearts of muslims or else he will lose his 'role in society'.

Stop being but-hurt when religions are tested, if you have the truth welcome testing, don't abuse, hide, or cry jihad. Say after me. I have the truth and nothing but the truth so help me god. Then ask anyone to challenge your truth. The only reason your protected today is because certain government in islamic societies give u free perks and elevate you god dammit, when the playing field is even and there is no advantage between believer and disbeliever and the debate begins, you surely no god damn RICHARD DAWKINS

 

[Omar del Sur]

Omar the reason religion is picked on is how influential and powerful it is over people life. Dude I see my mother sitting there 'glued' to the TV listening to some Sheikh daily, the Quran blasted on the radio. Wallahi if I measure her day god bless her soul she is my mother and I wouldn't want to harm her, it's like 70% Islamic and 30% social things like telephone with friends and family. So I guess this fuels people against religion well it surely does for me so I can speak for myself.

But the other major thing religions are always targetted. It's hard to 'transform or reform or change' people towards your 'enlightment' untill you remove the 'barrier' that god damn book is one option such as burning but that isn't workable for Muslims as they have 'hafiz' who will just write again. The other option is 'genocide' like Stalin model and that seemed to not work as the 'CHURCH' is back strong in today Russia. The final option which I prefer, please IQ test your scholars, make sure they invent something in the world first, before they are allowed into Islamic universities, we know we are dealing with the 'creme la crop'.

I will be real with you bro. Humans love knowledge. We just can't get enough of it. It's why Adam was kicked out of the garden, he approached the tree of knowledge that god told him not too. We all would approach it, why? We want to know the secrets and knowledge behind everything. I don't blame Adam for falling, having such test, I would too. Today brother that tree of knowledge is America, notice how everyone is trying to copy Americans, the only reason is 'knowledge'. If Africa or Asia had that knowledge, it would be the same with the world now imitating or copying them. The reason isn't racial or geographic or cultural, it's that THIRST OF KNOWLEDGE.

Today Islam no offence provides no tangible knowledge, they excel in no secular field of study, I mean the dude can barely create a medicine or cure or vaccine and you want that guy to teach you about the creator? he doesn't even understand the creation lol, send him back to the basics and save the ummah from scholars like this who have no 'reason' to allow knowledge and light to enter the hearts of muslims or else he will lose his 'role in society'.

Stop being but-hurt when religions are tested, if you have the truth welcome testing, don't abuse, hide, or cry jihad. Say after me. I have the truth and nothing but the truth so help me god. Then ask anyone to challenge your truth. The only reason your protected today is because certain government in islamic societies give u free perks and elevate you god dammit, when the playing field is even and there is no advantage between believer and disbeliever and the debate begins, you surely no god damn RICHARD DAWKINS

what you are defending is Satanic. Satanic influence has got to you

 

[Lum]

Omar the reason religion is picked on is how influential and powerful it is over people life. Dude I see my mother sitting there 'glued' to the TV listening to some Sheikh daily, the Quran blasted on the radio. Wallahi if I measure her day god bless her soul she is my mother and I wouldn't want to harm her, it's like 70% Islamic and 30% social things like telephone with friends and family. So I guess this fuels people against religion well it surely does for me so I can speak for myself.

But the other major thing religions are always targetted. It's hard to 'transform or reform or change' people towards your 'enlightment' untill you remove the 'barrier' that god damn book is one option such as burning but that isn't workable for Muslims as they have 'hafiz' who will just write again. The other option is 'genocide' like Stalin model and that seemed to not work as the 'CHURCH' is back strong in today Russia. The final option which I prefer, please IQ test your scholars, make sure they invent something in the world first, before they are allowed into Islamic universities, we know we are dealing with the 'creme la crop'.

I will be real with you bro. Humans love knowledge. We just can't get enough of it. It's why Adam was kicked out of the garden, he approached the tree of knowledge that god told him not too. We all would approach it, why? We want to know the secrets and knowledge behind everything. I don't blame Adam for falling, having such test, I would too. Today brother that tree of knowledge is America, notice how everyone is trying to copy Americans, the only reason is 'knowledge'. If Africa or Asia had that knowledge, it would be the same with the world now imitating or copying them. The reason isn't racial or geographic or cultural, it's that THIRST OF KNOWLEDGE.

Today Islam no offence provides no tangible knowledge, they excel in no secular field of study, I mean the dude can barely create a medicine or cure or vaccine and you want that guy to teach you about the creator? he doesn't even understand the creation lol, send him back to the basics and save the ummah from scholars like this who have no 'reason' to allow knowledge and light to enter the hearts of muslims or else he will lose his 'role in society'.

Stop being but-hurt when religions are tested, if you have the truth welcome testing, don't abuse, hide, or cry jihad. Say after me. I have the truth and nothing but the truth so help me god. Then ask anyone to challenge your truth. The only reason your protected today is because certain government in islamic societies give u free perks and elevate you god dammit, when the playing field is even and there is no advantage between believer and disbeliever and the debate begins, you surely no god damn RICHARD DAWKINS

Why do you say this? Islam is the truth. Talking about Richard Dawkins is of no benefit. One should learn about Islam and hasten to perform good deeds.