The Kacaan was the best thing that happend to our country

[TheGlorySunFromTheNorth]

Anyone who does not agree with that is an enemy of our country and people. That person should be removed from our society. The entire opposition to Siyad Bare combined could not run a village. They were the enemy of the people. Ali Mahdi the chairman of the USC is today hiding in the Kenyan capital unable to live in the chaos he created. He is luckier then General Aideed who died in that chaos. Then you have Col. Omar Jess the chairman of SPM and ally of Aideed the Jess is today hiding in the Egyptian capital why his he not enjoying the fruits of Post-Siyad Bare Somalia ?

And SNM chairman Tuur died as a bitter man in Aideed controlled areas of Mogadishu claiming to be the vice president of a fake non-recognized government that only controlled Southern Mogadishu . Then you have Abdullahi Yusuf with his SSDF the old rat left this world exiled in failed Yemen at the end of his meaningless life the Ethiopians he had sold us out to betrayed him.

 

[Shaolin23]

Anyone who does not agree with that is an enemy of our country and people. That person should be removed from our society. The entire opposition to Siyad Bare combined could not run a village. They were the enemy of the people. Ali Mahdi the chairman of the USC is today hiding in the Kenyan capital unable to live in the chaos he created. He is luckier then General Aideed who died in that chaos. Then you have Col. Omar Jess the chairman of SPM and ally of Aideed the Jess is today hiding in the Egyptian capital why his he not enjoying the fruits of Post-Siyad Bare Somalia ?

And SNM chairman Tuur died as a bitter man in Aideed controlled areas of Mogadishu claiming to be the vice president of a fake non-recognized government that only controlled Southern Mogadishu . Then you have Abdullahi Yusuf with his SSDF the old rat left this world exiled in failed Yemen at the end of his meaningless life the Ethiopians he had sold us out to betrayed him.

Are u Dhulbahante

 

[Tukraq]

its not like Somalia wasn't doing well before the coup d'etat

 

[Tukraq]

we were better under the democracy(first in Africa) before that pushed us the farthest we ever went, basically the Switzerland of Africa ,
not under military leaders who caused us to decline and let other factions destroy the country we picked the wrong side in history(Soviet Union) and even got back stabbed imagine if we still were under the same stable, uncorrupt, logical democratic rule and still allied with the US and western Europe

 

[Farm]

Low IQ thread, I can guess which unproductive clan you are with 99.9% confidence.



Only people who haven’t achieved anything since 91 still cry and beg the bush man who couldn’t lead that died shamefully on a Nigerian toilet.

 

[TheGlorySunFromTheNorth]

Low IQ thread, I can guess which unproductive clan you are with 99.9% confidence.



Only people who haven’t achieved anything since 91 still cry and beg the bush man who couldn’t lead that died shamefully on a Nigerian toilet.

I guess when you can't fight the cold truth there are always the cheap insults. Why are you a refugee in the West ? how come you are not enjoying being a pirate in the post-Siyad bare Somalia ?

 

[Tukraq]

I guess when you can't fight the cold truth there are always the cheap insults. Why are you a refugee in the West ? how come you are not enjoying being a pirate in the post-Siyad bare Somalia ?

why was siad a refugee in Nigeria, why didn't he enjoy his last days in his nation, maybe because he wasn't such a good leader or politican but instead a good military leader, which is why our government before him was much better

 

[nine]

Are u Dhulbahante

OP just triggered the crying MJs

 

[Tukraq]

OP just triggered the crying MJs

how were just having a discussion and stating our opinions on which government was better

 

[Shaolin23]

how were just having a discussion and stating our opinions on which government was better

Historical revisionism

 

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[Tukraq]

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so what did siad improve on the government
politicians are supposed to be driving better cars then the populace
he changed the country from a peaceful democratically elected government to a strongman communist revolutionary dictatorship like Kim Jong il which caused the clan tensions leading to the civil war yes he was better than the aidiids of the world but that isn't saying much

 

[Shaolin23]

Sxb how about becoming self sufficient economically and putting the people to work and teaching them how to read and write this is not about qabyaalad it’s about governance to try to make a case that 1960-69 was better than 1969-1978 is really retared

 

[Tukraq]

Sxb how about becoming self sufficient economically and putting the people to work and teaching them how to read and write this is not about qabyaalad it’s about governance to try to make a case that 1960-69 was better than 1969-1978 is really retared

its a communist system though so the economy was nationalized instead of a free market, hindering success potential, the literacy campaigns were however a positive, this isn't really about qabils considering the presidents before siad weren't selected due to qabil and there was a peaceful transition of power

 

[Dues Ex Machina]

It goes without saying the kacaan was definitely the greatest period of Somali history since it was the longest period of stability and peace across all of Somalia. There are obviously detractors of the great achievements made by that glorious government, but they usually hail from clans that were allied with the Mengistu regime of Ethiopia. The rebel groups were funded and provided training by our geopolitical foe at the time for the sole purpose of destabilizing the country. To that end they succeeded. And many of the warlords of those armed factions have conveyed their regret in going down that path since the effects are still felt to this day.
Major General Barre was a strongman and led the nation to be prosperous, however when you have multiple groups armed by outsiders to topple the government it's quite difficult to sustain. A good example of that is Mummar Ghadaffi of Libya, he amassed amazing wealth and led the country for a long period of time. He was also toppled by his own people armed by outsiders.

This is a good example of Somali Nationalism at the time
AUN to the Lion of Africa Major General Barre

 

[Shaolin23]

its a communist system though so the economy was nationalized instead of a free market, hindering success potential, the literacy campaigns were however a positive, this isn't really about qabils considering the presidents before siad weren't selected due to qabil and there was a peaceful transition of power

So communism is better than democratic free market is what your saying? That can only work if the leaders aren’t corrupt theives which was the problem in the 60s but don’t worry I understand it’s a natural Somali trait to be stubborn and prideful when you mix in tribalism its a recipe for disaster believe what you want even if proof is provided to you in front of your eyes

 

[Tukraq]

So communism is better than democratic free market is what your saying? That can only work if the leaders aren’t corrupt theives which was the problem in the 60s but don’t worry I understand it’s a natural Somali trait to be stubborn and prideful when you mix in tribalism its a recipe for disaster believe what you want even if proof is provided to you in front of your eyes

a free and fairly elected democratic regime with free markets is the way nations gain economic success and I think we were on that path before siad took over, in the 20 years he was in office we could of had 5 presidents elected by the people which would make no groups feel marginalized due to region or clan and to bring in new energy reflect the wants of the people and spur real innovation in the country to put us at the biggest economy in Africa, thats why all countries that do well have those two combined in free fare open elections(anyone can run, no dictators or one party systems), and free markets to spark innovation since business can provide for the people better than the government can

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Dictatorship will always fail and is recipe for disaster. Check any country that had a dictator for 20, 30 or 40 years, its always a mess when he gets toppled. The people dont know any other form of governance once the dictator is gone. You gotta have a system in place where we have smooth transfer of power every 4-8 yrs. The current 4.5 is way better than a dictator with all its problems.

 

[GBTarmy]

Lol death to communism and the wicked ultra secularist society that was Somalia, Puntlanders been living well since 91 the true victors alhamdulillah.

"The Irish Times

December 14, 1992, CITY EDITION

The other Face of a nation in crisis
In the north-east of Somalia there is another land of peace, fat sheep and a booming economy



SOMALIA is portrayed as a nation of crisis, looting and famine. This image is of the south and, to a lesser degree, the northwest. In the north-east there is another Somalia of peace, fat sheep, a booming economy, no begging and community self-help. The north-east is a strip about 900km long by 200km wide, running up the Indian Ocean coast- line to the very tip of the Horn of Africa. It is occupied by the Majerteen clan which is principally nomadic. There is one tarmac road and a handful of towns. The area was largely ignored by the development programmes under the old Siad Barre regime. These were focused in the south, around Mogadishu and its agricultural hinterland. The northeast was termed the "Forgotten Land". If your career failed in the capital you were sent to the north-east. The absence of development, investment, infrastructure and the nomadic pasturalism has helped save the north-east. There is nothing much to fight over, and most of the assets are literally moveable on the hoof. The Majerteen is strongly protective of its area. When the illegal Somali Salvation Democratic Front (SSDF) came back during the fall of the old central government and the civil war, and its leaders were released from Barres jails they immediately sought power with, and through, the old system of traditional clan leaders. King (Bogor) Abdullahi Musa is a member of the cabinet or council run by the SSDF leader, Mr Mohammed Abshir, in Bossasso. Through the Bogor and the hierarchy of Islans, Nabadons (peacemakers) and their deputies, the Samadons, and the village elders they have controlled inner divisions, created peace, withstood an uprising of Islamic fundamentalists and got on with a self-help administration by consensus. Everywhere the village elders start talking to strangers by saying: "Security is not a problem in our village. You are free to move and see what you want." There are guns around but they are not openly flaunted. The Majerteen has refused food aid for the north-east and is wary about outside involvement. The planned arrival of 900 Canadian UN troops has been discussed for five months and the approach is "softly, softly". The absence of the dead hand of central government that dragged all trade and decisions down south to the capital has liberated the natural entrepreneurial instincts of the Majerteen. Bossasso is booming. One company exported 350,000 sheep and goats to Jeddah for the Hajj pilgrims last spring. The normal night stillness and gentle sound of the waves on the beach is banished at the coastal villages of Eyl and Banderbeyla. Behind the dunes there is the hum and thump of compressors on five tonne refrigerated trucks loaded with langouste/lobster tails bound for Dubai at $ 25 per kilo. In the spirit of self-help, the fish-dealers pay $ 1 per tail to a local fund to reopen the school and hospital and help feed the fractured families displaced by the war in the south. inland, the nomads divide their flocks to provide animals for kinsmen who lost everything in the looting of Mogadishu. Nobody has received a salary for over two years, yet during 30 days among the people I was asked for only one thing. A small boy asked me for a pencil, but was immediately chided by an elder for being so bold! The Majerteen's attitude to the south is phlegmatic and cynical: Aideed is a madman, and "the clan elders were fools not to have found peace when they had the chance". The Majerteen thinks there should be a small UN force in the south with powers to act like firm policemen and support the diplomacy of people like the former UN special envoy, Mr Mohamed Sahnoun, the clan elders and aid agencies that work through the people. Irish organisations such as Concern, GOAL and Trocaire do not have active programmes in the north-east, yet their work is known to the Majerteen and has the reputation of being in the first league For those who may feel that Somalia is a bitter quagmire or bottomless pit, the peaceful industriousness of the north-east is an example and a cause for hope. David Ball is a hydro-geologist and development worker who has 20 years' experience in Africa and the Middle East. He has just returned from a 33-day assessment and planning mission in north-east Somalia for UNICEF and the British organisation, Vetaid."



@DR OSMAN check this sxb

 

[Shaolin23]

Dictatorship will always fail and is recipe for disaster. Check any country that had a dictator for 20, 30 or 40 years, its always a mess when he gets toppled. The people dont know any other form of governance once the dictator is gone. You gotta have a system in place where we have smooth transfer of power every 4-8 yrs. The current 4.5 is way better than a dictator with all its problems.

Would you believe me if i told you the USA the most rich and powerful country in the world is a 1 party dictatorship, yes the worlds biggest “democracy” is a facade in all truth the best form of governance is with Allah’s law but with righteous leaders every system in the world will fall if the leaders are corrupt and don’t take care of the people so essentially what you want is a hidden dictatorship sorry to break to you but it’s all the same shit