The Insight (an anthropology podcast)

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  1. Apollo

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    Focused especially on genetics:

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    In the Africa episode they name drop Somalia/Somalis several times.

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    Listened to the episode on China, a region I know little about and learned quite a bit from it that I didn't know before:

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    I liked what the Razib guy said, that models are approximations of reality, but not reality. People often equate the two. This seems interesting.
     
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  4. land owner

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    One of the anthropologists said that neanderthals descend from denisovans is that true?
     
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    They are more like cousins. Neanderthals are the West Eurasian version and Denisovans the East Eurasian version of further evolved Homo Erectus.
     
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  6. Pseudo-A'staramaia

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    Razib is very off when it comes to African population genetics. Outside of even that subject, anyone with a working knowledge with any field and subject he speaks on can see through his posturing and lack of depth

    The idiot thinks the Natufians were the proto Afro-asiatics, completely clueless of the longstanding linguistic consensus, acting as if it a largely unsettled issue

    He used to propagate how the Puntites were the main culprits behind Eurasian ancestry in Cushites, and were a Eurasian population in the Horn

    He always argued how the south Cushites were not Nilotes, and believes that Somalis are heavily Iranian N, and that Iranian N ancestry brought the Cushitic languages to the Horn kkkkkk

    The one that made laugh was when he was either trolling or really being retarded with the post he had on the Turks being Armenians

    Anyways, lets see what he says in this podcast

    We see Razib talking about R1b V88 in the Toubou, and it is easily pinned to Eurasian ancestry (correctly), and from there he easily connected it to the Middle East even though it is also likely to also have come via Iberia or elsewhere and far from settled. But notice his clear sightedness when it comes to seeing the Eurasian connection. These statements in of themselves are not the problem

    It's when you compare how he quickly sees and ties the Middle East and Eursian ancestry with ydna R1b V88 despite it being more obscure on the Middle Eastern part, but when the topic ends up about ydna E, he makes it seem debatable and uncertian whether ydna E in Eurasian and Middle Eastern men is from African men, and goes even further in this direction and makes it seem as if the E in Africa is from Eurasians, and argues that Eurasian ancestry in Africa is largely paternally driven when it is more likely opposite in most cases with what we have, and he references the R1b founder effect as evidence for this when it is a poor example

    He states how somALiEnZ and Horn Africans have alot of ydna resemblance (never mentions the more blatant mtdna connection) to Middle Easterners when we have very little in common ydna wise outside of the xabash, and actually have much more in common maternally. Our 40% Eurasian ancestry fits better with our 40% Eurasian mtdna, not our 80% E-E-M35 (yes, founder effects). In the majority of Cushitic groups, E or A3b lineages dominate, not T1

    I think he drives this Eursian male conquest and cuckery of Africa narritive because it bothers him to see dark African men mating with Eurasian women, or he takes glee in seeing Eurasian men humiliate African men and bang the big black booties of black African women, bringing language and civilization into the dark continent. He also probably sees Horn Africans as competitors in the racial rankings ladder that south asians occupy, threatening to dilute his own proxmity to whiteness. His hate for Cushites and Horn Africans is probably a mix of all three

    Everything the man states on Cushitic people and Horn Africans constantly shows his hatred of them. He is obsessed with giving their achievments and history and even their own fucking blood and sperm to either Eurasians or Nilotes. He actively erases Cushitic and Horn African history and their legacy in Africa, he calls Cushitic ancestry in the Khoisan "Nilotic", called the Aksumites and Puntites Eurasian, and consistently said the south Cushites and Azanians were not Cushites but Nilotes

    He is obsessed with our Eurasian ancestry but not our larger non Eurasian ancestries. He wants to see us as the rape products of Middle Eastern men and Nilotic women, and more importantly as inferior to either purebreed ancestral stocks

    In this Dec 2018 episode he still belives Somalis have Iranian ancestry

    He's also a racialist i.e he believes in race despite him knowing it being completely retarded and killed off by the data to beyond dead, and at this point not only useless, but actively regressive as it does not work with reality in any way and only contradicts it

    I wish someone more objective existed for population genetics, especially for Cushitic and Horn Africans. Awale was good enough and brilliant, and despite his young youth he was much more accurate and knowledgable than this aging dravidcel

    His attempt to pull a jack o trades is clearly being shown to be hard to pull off, as even with a non-mainstay long term specialization there is always another level of more obscure knowledge that has high potential to turn the realized orthodoxy on its tails. Razib thinks despite this, he can do it all and not succumb to this, with his bias and racialism and clouded judgement in tow. And he's only a fool
     
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    He actually said this? :faysalwtf: last time I checked the Iranian Neolithics were indo aryan speakers
     
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    @Pseudo-A'staramaia

    Razib is not into haplogroups. He is more into whole genome analyses. Most whole genome analyses more or less are in agreement with him. Additionally, the autosomal profile of the E-M35 men who back-migrated from Egypt-Northeast Sudan to the Horn could easily explain a big chunk of the Eurasian affinity. The Taforalt were all E-M35, yet had heavy Eurasian affinity.

    He is correct that the Luxmanda sample only had Natufian autosomal affinity while Modern Cushites from Ethiopia or Somalia have low amounts of Iran_N. He never said it was a major component. He only said that it is detectable vs Luxmanda.

    Don't be so harsh on him. He is one of the few people out there with a broad knowedge on population genetics from almost all populations, even obscure people like the Orang Asli and whatnot.

    @land owner

    Iranian Neolithics were not like modern Iranians. We are talking several thousands of years before Indo-Aryans came to Iran.
     
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    They are do apparently the indo aryans teleported to somalia back in time to spread a language that existed before Aryans were a thing, and time travelled back to invading India. Quite the technological decline. If they could time travel without leaving a trace they would have ruled the world a long time ago
    :siilaanyosmile::siilaanyosmile::siilaanyosmile:
     
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    Modern populations =/= Ancient populations..

    Modern Iranians are too different from them. They are a mix of those folks + Ukrainians and sheeit.
     
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    What was the genome of the Iranian Neolithics? Were they a mix of basal eurasian, UHG and ANE?
     
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