The end is near! Grand Imam of the Masjid al-Haram promoting Riyadh entertainment and music festival

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except Mecca, Holly sacred place for Muslim is in danger. But promised he will protect Kaabah so yeah u kinda right, we should not care
Yep under full protection. Not even the Dajjal can enter it.
 

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actually.... I don't think this is as big as people think it is. don't get me wrong, this is terrible but there was a local Salafi preacher I heard who talked about Adel al-Kalbani and called him the Yasir Qadhi of Saudi Arabia. so he is known for doing questionable stuff, although I think this is probably some of the worst yet that he's done.

Saudia been a shitshow since the clown MSB has come into power. Did you see his recent interview where he says majority of hadiith are invalid?

 

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Saudia been a shitshow since the clown MSB has come into power. Did you see his recent interview where he says majority of hadiith are invalid?


I have zero interest in talking about the governments of Muslim countries. I don't really talk about the governments of those countries in general.

The reality is that the government is the reflection of the people. When the people are corrupt, you see corrupt governments come into power. I think it's a waste of time talking about the rulers. There is corruption with the rulers because there is corruption with the people. If the people are corrupt and you remove the corrupt rulers- what will happen? More corrupt rulers will emerge.

On the Day of Judgement, I doubt I'll be asked about many news articles I read about the rulers of countries. What will matter is things like how much of the Quran I memorized. I'm better off studying the Quran for thirty minutes than watching the news for long periods.

If the people are rectified, the rulers will be better. There is corruption amongst the rulers because there is corruption amongst the people.

If you are in a position to overthrow apostate regimes and implement the sharia, masha'Allah. As for myself, I am just some ordinary person. I have no idea what the kings and princes are up to and I have no control over it. Meanwhile, I can study Arabic, study Quran and talk to my neighbors about Islam. I don't think God is going to ask me about what rulers on the other side of the ocean were up to. It is not my responsibility and I'm more interested in focusing on what is within my control.

Personally, I don't really pay attention to the governments of Saudi, Somalia, Malaysia, etc. My view is pretty much all the governments are run by the same network of Freemasons.

I'm interested in the scholars and Saudi still has some good scholars. The scholar mentioned in OP- like I said, I already heard a local Salafi preachers mention him before and call him the Yasir Qadhi of Saudi Arabia. He was already a questionable type.
 

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I have a question for people and I don't expect anyone to answer but my aim is simply that people think about it.

Supposing hypothetically- you just got back from the doctor and it looks bad. The doctor says you have 24 hours to live. You know it's Allah who decides when your time is up. However, it really does look bad and it does look to you like the doctor really might be right.

Of course you can't know for sure. But it looks to you to be likely that you have maybe less than 24 hours left on earth.

What do you do with the next 24 hours? Do you watch the news in a marathon session and shake your fist at what the corrupt politicians are up to?

Or do you start performing acts of worship and trying to do good deeds before it's your time to go?

Wallahi my soul could be taken at any time. The world is full of corrupt politicians. Grass is green. The sky is blue. Everyone knows there is a bunch of crooked politicians. But I'm convinced being focused on it is a distraction. If I thought I almost certainly had less than 24 hours to live, I don't think I would have any interest at all in even taking a glance at the news. As it is, I kind of skim past some headlines and I might click on something if it looks interesting. But I try to limit how much I pay attention to the news and I recommend others do the same. It's good to know a little bit about the news I think but I don't think it's good to be too focused on it.
 

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I have zero interest in talking about the governments of Muslim countries. I don't really talk about the governments of those countries in general.

The reality is that the government is the reflection of the people. When the people are corrupt, you see corrupt governments come into power. I think it's a waste of time talking about the rulers. There is corruption with the rulers because there is corruption with the people. If the people are corrupt and you remove the corrupt rulers- what will happen? More corrupt rulers will emerge.

On the Day of Judgement, I doubt I'll be asked about many news articles I read about the rulers of countries. What will matter is things like how much of the Quran I memorized. I'm better off studying the Quran for thirty minutes than watching the news for long periods.

If the people are rectified, the rulers will be better. There is corruption amongst the rulers because there is corruption amongst the people.

If you are in a position to overthrow apostate regimes and implement the sharia, masha'Allah. As for myself, I am just some ordinary person. I have no idea what the kings and princes are up to and I have no control over it. Meanwhile, I can study Arabic, study Quran and talk to my neighbors about Islam. I don't think God is going to ask me about what rulers on the other side of the ocean were up to. It is not my responsibility and I'm more interested in focusing on what is within my control.

Personally, I don't really pay attention to the governments of Saudi, Somalia, Malaysia, etc. My view is pretty much all the governments are run by the same network of Freemasons.

I'm interested in the scholars and Saudi still has some good scholars. The scholar mentioned in OP- like I said, I already heard a local Salafi preachers mention him before and call him the Yasir Qadhi of Saudi Arabia. He was already a questionable type.

We won't be questioned about these types, but we should always point out wrongs we see and call it out.

Yeah I mentioned this. I rate him for this. He's like f*ck the house of wahaab im running shit now.
Nah he sounds like a Quaranist here, which is too far, Islam is based on Quran AND Sunnah of the Prophet.
 

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We won't be questioned about these types, but we should always point out wrongs we see and call it out.

What I was taught is- with a Muslim ruler, you should not criticize them; with a kaffir ruler it's okay.

Personally, I would rather err on the side of caution when it comes to takfir.

For myself personally, I think the safer thing is to avoid getting into all that- making takfir on rulers, getting into all that. I personally want to be careful when it comes to all that. So I avoid getting into that kind of thing.


 

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What I was taught is- with a Muslim ruler, you should not criticize them; with a kaffir ruler it's okay.

Personally, I would rather err on the side of caution when it comes to takfir.

For myself personally, I think the safer thing is to avoid getting into all that- making takfir on rulers, getting into all that. I personally want to be careful when it comes to all that. So I avoid getting into that kind of thing.



Criticism is not equivalent to takfir. Otherwise you would be sheep following whatever is said.
 

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Criticism is not equivalent to takfir. Otherwise you would be sheep following whatever is said.

Like I said- according to what I was taught, it is only allowed to criticize the ruler openly if they are kaffir. So according to that, you shouldn't criticize them openly unless you make takfir on them.

I don't think I'm a sheep. All that stuff is very delicate, very dangerous territory. Imo it is like surgery- I shouldn't touch it unless I really, really know what I'm doing.

I am just a simple person. I know about Tawhiid. I know music is haraam. I know it is wrong what the Shia say about the sahaabah. And I am very fortunate that even us simple people can play a role by conveying what we know. But what we don't know, we shouldn't touch.

Imo the safest route for me is to be silent. To me it is like years ago when these types who were really eager about takfir tried to pressure me into making takfir on Ilhan Omar. These days, I know a little more and I am comfortable making takfir on her. I don't want to pick on her in particular but I think it is perfectly safe and justified to make takfir on her given her pro-lgbt activism. That is another discussion but... back then these types were trying to press me to make takfir on her. I wasn't saying she was or wasn't a kaffir. What I said was basically that I am not all that knowledgeable and that the safest thing for me would be to abstain.

The reality is this stuff is dangerous territory and I'm just a simple person. I don't want to touch it, just like I don't want to talk about advanced math or pick up surgical equipment and try to perform surgery. If you really have the knowledge of how to correctly perform surgery, it's fine for you to carry out the procedure but for me I think it's better to leave the surgical equipment alone.

Imam Hanbal was arrested and tortured for refusing to say the Quran was created. The ruler was trying to make him affirm a heresy. Yet Imam Hanbal didn't speak out against the ruler. If staying silent was good enough for Imam Hanbal, I think it's good enough for me. All the focus on talking bad about rulers, to me it reminds me of Che Guevara and Karl Marx. I want to be like Imam Hanbal, I'm not trying to be like Che Guevara.
 

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Imam Hanbal was arrested and tortured for refusing to say the Quran was created. The ruler was trying to make him affirm a heresy. Yet Imam Hanbal didn't speak out against the ruler. If staying silent was good enough for Imam Hanbal, I think it's good enough for me. All the focus on talking bad about rulers, to me it reminds me of Che Guevara and Karl Marx. I want to be like Imam Hanbal, I'm not trying to be like Che Guevara.

In that case Hanbal was probably facing death for disobeying his ruler, MBS is not your ruler or mine, nor does he have any power over anyones criticism of him. He is a fake princess of an Arab nation cucked by the West for the last century.
 

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In that case Hanbal was probably facing death for disobeying his ruler, MBS is not your ruler or mine, nor does he have any power over anyones criticism of him. He is a fake princess of an Arab nation cucked by the West for the last century.


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In that case Hanbal was probably facing death for disobeying his ruler, MBS is not your ruler or mine, nor does he have any power over anyones criticism of him. He is a fake princess of an Arab nation cucked by the West for the last century.

Imam Hanbal was willing to face arrest and torture. I doubt his concern was trying to save his skin.

The reality is the whole methodology of trying to turn Muslims into Marxist revolutionary types.... it leads to a lot of trouble and serves to destroy Muslim countries. My religion is Islam, not Marxism. If I wanted to be a Marxist I'd go join Marxism.
 

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