The Dangers of Insulting The Ruler

[Nass010]

Ibn Khaldun said:

Their colors are purer, their bodies are shaped better, their forms are more complete and better, their morals are far from corrupted, and their minds are more insightful in knowledge and perceptions. This is something that experience bears witness to in every generation of them.

Sheikh Mar'i Al Karmi said:

As for the intellectual proofs of the virtue of the Arabs, it has been proven with a visible, tangible evidence that the Arabs are the most generous, most honorable, most courageous, chivalrous, and eloquent people and their language is the most perfect of languages in explaining and distinguishing meanings, both collectively and separately, by combining many meanings in a few words if the speaker wishes to combine them, and distinguishing between each one. In addition to other characteristics of the Arabic language, whoever is like that, the mind is a definitive judge of his virtue over those who are not like that, and they have unlimited praiseworthy morals, an instinct in themselves, and a characteristic of them that they were born with.

Imam Al Shafi' said:

People did not become ignorant or had disagreements until they abandoned the language of the Arabs and tended to the language of Aristotle(Greek).

Al Munawi said:

If a person loves them - meaning the Arabs - his love is a sign of his faith, and if he hates them, his hatred is a sign of his hypocrisy. Because this religion arose from them, and its establishment was through their swords and their determination, and what is clear from the condition of those who hate them is that they only hated them for that reason, and it is disbelief(kufr).

These men, they are all kuffar? Are you hearing yourself? You do not understand the nullifyers of islam or what constitutes a kafir. Simply acknowledging Arabs as having a better lineage does not make one a kafir. In Islam everyone is equal except on taqwa, but there are some with better lineages than others. the arabs are preferrable over the ajam, the quraysh are preferable over other arabs, and bani hashim are preferable to other quraysh. This is widely agreed upon among scholars, you are a jahil dog son who knows nothing. 7ut al kalam dha fee teezak

You lost me when u quoted ibn khaldun. But moreover how does it feel to try so hard to be something your not warya

 

[himber23]

They ahve millions of Kuffar among them. AN dthis Garac and his minions on this website tell us these Arab Kafiriin are better than Muslims around the world past and present who are non-Arab. They are clearly not Muslims per their statements.

"The best of Quraysh are the very best of mankind and the worst of the Quraysh are the very worst of mankind. By the One in Whose Hand lies the soul of Muhammad, if it was not for the fact that the Quraysh become proud, I would have informed them of their position of excellence with Allah"

Hadith

Not Arabs specifically but Qureishi, who have produced the best of humanity but also the worst

 

[Al Adnani]

You lost me when u quoted ibn khaldun. But moreover how does it feel to try so hard to be something your not warya

Ibn Khaldun whether you like it or not is a Muslim and so are all these other men. My point is if my statements is an act of kufr then this man killerstreaiscool has just made mass takfir on several scholars. What an idiot

 

[Khaem]

Ibn Khaldun said:

Their colors are purer, their bodies are shaped better, their forms are more complete and better, their morals are far from corrupted, and their minds are more insightful in knowledge and perceptions. This is something that experience bears witness to in every generation of them.

Sheikh Mar'i Al Karmi said:

As for the intellectual proofs of the virtue of the Arabs, it has been proven with a visible, tangible evidence that the Arabs are the most generous, most honorable, most courageous, chivalrous, and eloquent people and their language is the most perfect of languages in explaining and distinguishing meanings, both collectively and separately, by combining many meanings in a few words if the speaker wishes to combine them, and distinguishing between each one. In addition to other characteristics of the Arabic language, whoever is like that, the mind is a definitive judge of his virtue over those who are not like that, and they have unlimited praiseworthy morals, an instinct in themselves, and a characteristic of them that they were born with.

Imam Al Shafi' said:

People did not become ignorant or had disagreements until they abandoned the language of the Arabs and tended to the language of Aristotle(Greek).

Al Munawi said:

If a person loves them - meaning the Arabs - his love is a sign of his faith, and if he hates them, his hatred is a sign of his hypocrisy. Because this religion arose from them, and its establishment was through their swords and their determination, and what is clear from the condition of those who hate them is that they only hated them for that reason, and it is disbelief(kufr).

These men, they are all kuffar? Are you hearing yourself? You do not understand the nullifyers of islam or what constitutes a kafir. Simply acknowledging Arabs as having a better lineage does not make one a kafir. In Islam everyone is equal except on taqwa, but there are some with better lineages than others. the arabs are preferrable over the ajam, the quraysh are preferable over other arabs, and bani hashim are preferable to other quraysh. This is widely agreed upon among scholars, you are a jahil dog who knows nothing. You just speak out of ignorance to seem knowledgeable when you are just a fool. 7ut al kalam dha fee teezak

You want me to listen to Arab scholars who are self glazing over the literal words of the prophet Muhammad.

The prophet said:
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white has no superiority over a black, nor does a black have any superiority over a white except by piety and good action."

Everyone else you quoted is wrong as they contradict the words of the prophet. And those who deny even one word of the Quran are no teachers.

 

[himber23]

You want me to listen to Arab scholars who are self glazing over the literal words of the prophet Muhammad.

The prophet said:
"All mankind is from Adam and Eve. An Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over an Arab; a white has no superiority over a black, nor does a black have any superiority over a white except by piety and good action."

Everyone else you quoted is wrong as they contradict the words of the prophet. And those who deny even one word of the Quran are no teachers.

Yes he said that but also said best of humanity and best of faith will come from Quraishi, not cuz they Qureishi blood rather they are ones best in piety and good action

 

[Nass010]

this is one of the reasons why people with a weak iman leave the deen because of fools like @Al Adnani who almost scoffs it down our troath that we have to submit to anyone who claims to be a descendent from the Prophet and the crazy part is he makes it worse by expanding it to a whole ethnic group, get help, al adnani kulaha

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

Ibn Khaldun said:

Their colors are purer, their bodies are shaped better, their forms are more complete and better, their morals are far from corrupted, and their minds are more insightful in knowledge and perceptions. This is something that experience bears witness to in every generation of them.

Sheikh Mar'i Al Karmi said:

As for the intellectual proofs of the virtue of the Arabs, it has been proven with a visible, tangible evidence that the Arabs are the most generous, most honorable, most courageous, chivalrous, and eloquent people and their language is the most perfect of languages in explaining and distinguishing meanings, both collectively and separately, by combining many meanings in a few words if the speaker wishes to combine them, and distinguishing between each one. In addition to other characteristics of the Arabic language, whoever is like that, the mind is a definitive judge of his virtue over those who are not like that, and they have unlimited praiseworthy morals, an instinct in themselves, and a characteristic of them that they were born with.

Imam Al Shafi' said:

People did not become ignorant or had disagreements until they abandoned the language of the Arabs and tended to the language of Aristotle(Greek).

Al Munawi said:

If a person loves them - meaning the Arabs - his love is a sign of his faith, and if he hates them, his hatred is a sign of his hypocrisy. Because this religion arose from them, and its establishment was through their swords and their determination, and what is clear from the condition of those who hate them is that they only hated them for that reason, and it is disbelief(kufr).

These men, they are all kuffar? Are you hearing yourself? You do not understand the nullifyers of islam or what constitutes a kafir. Simply acknowledging Arabs as having a better lineage does not make one a kafir. In Islam everyone is equal except on taqwa, but there are some with better lineages than others. the arabs are preferrable over the ajam, the quraysh are preferable over other arabs, and bani hashim are preferable to other quraysh. This is widely agreed upon among scholars, you are a jahil dog who knows nothing. You just speak out of ignorance to seem knowledgeable when you are just a fool. 7ut al kalam dha fee teezak

All these are statements from men, mere mortals and their opinions. As somalis we stick to the statements of the Alimighty Allah and His messenger:

[49:13] O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant.


“All humans are descended from Adam and Eve,” said Muhammad in his last known public speech. “There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, or of a non-Arab over an Arab, and no superiority of a white person over a black person or of a black person over a white person, except on the basis of personal piety and righteousness.”



This is our religion unlike yours. We don't have the same religion ya Kafir.

 

[Al Adnani]

All these are statements from men, mere mortals and their opinions. As somalis we stick to the statements of the Alimighty Allah and His messenger:

[49:13] O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant.


“All humans are descended from Adam and Eve,” said Muhammad in his last known public speech. “There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, or of a non-Arab over an Arab, and no superiority of a white person over a black person or of a black person over a white person, except on the basis of personal piety and righteousness.”



This is our religion unlike yours. We don't have the same religion ya Kafir.

Do you put takfir on all these men for their statements yes or no? Answer the question. Do you put takfir on non arab scholar sheikh albani for this statement of his yes or no? answer both of these questions, because if you takfir me then you must takfir them. Very simple

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

"The best of Quraysh are the very best of mankind and the worst of the Quraysh are the very worst of mankind. By the One in Whose Hand lies the soul of Muhammad, if it was not for the fact that the Quraysh become proud, I would have informed them of their position of excellence with Allah"

Hadith

Not Arabs specifically but Qureishi, who have produced the best of humanity but also the worst

Sorry dude, this contradicts what the prophet said in his farewell address. Islam does not recognize tribal or ethnic superiority. If a human being had a place with Allah because they were of Quraysh tribe. Abu lahab and prophet Mohamed's Own Father whose name was Also Abdallah would be spared of Hell. Even Prophet Mlohamed's Grandfather who protected the prophet and raised him wasn't spared of Allah's judgement.


The Hadeeth looks fake.

 

[Khaem]

Do you put takfir on all these men for their statements yes or no? Answer the question. Do you put takfir on non arab scholar sheikh albani for this statement of his yes or no? answer both of these questions, because if you takfir me then you must takfir them. Very simple

If that's what he claims then absolutely. No scholar can tell me "oh but the Arabs are such and such therefore you must praise them above Turks, Sahelian, Persians, Pakistanis, Bosnians, Horners ect." notice how it's only Arab scholars that claim such things. Name me an Indonesian scholar that glazes Arabs like the deghace glaze themselves.

 

[KillStreakIsCool]

Do you put takfir on all these men for their statements yes or no? Answer the question. Do you put takfir on non arab scholar sheikh albani for this statement of his yes or no? answer both of these questions, because if you takfir me then you must takfir them. Very simple

Quote mere mortals and I simply leave you with what Allah says and His Messenger:


[49:13] O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant.


“All humans are descended from Adam and Eve,” said Muhammad in his last known public speech. “There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, or of a non-Arab over an Arab, and no superiority of a white person over a black person or of a black person over a white person, except on the basis of personal piety and righteousness.”

We don't belong to the same religion of Islam.

 

[Al Adnani]

Quote mere mortals and I simply leave you with what Islam teaches:


[49:13] O people, we created you from the same male and female, and rendered you distinct peoples and tribes, that you may recognize one another. The best among you in the sight of GOD is the most righteous. GOD is Omniscient, Cognizant.


“All humans are descended from Adam and Eve,” said Muhammad in his last known public speech. “There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, or of a non-Arab over an Arab, and no superiority of a white person over a black person or of a black person over a white person, except on the basis of personal piety and righteousness.”

We don't belong to the same religion of Islam.

You avoid my question because you know you are wrong. In the Musnad of Imām Ahmad, the Prophet ﷺ said in the authentic narration: إن للقرشي مثل قوة رجلين من غير قريش it translates to; “verily, a man from the Quraysh has the strength of two men from other than the Quraysh.” The prophet also said in an authentic narration in Sahih Muslim: إن الله اصطفى كنانة من ولد إسماعيل، واصطفى قريشاً من كنانة، واصطفى من قريش بني هاشم، واصطفاني من بني هاشم
It translates to “Allah chose Kinānah from the progeny of Ismā‘īl, chose Quraysh from Kinānah, chose Bani Hāshim from Quraysh and chose me from Bani Hāshim”
Do you deny these words of the prophet as well? Or do you only pick and choose what words you believe from him. You are an ignorant person wallahi

 

[Do]

If that's what he claims then absolutely. No scholar can tell me "oh but the Arabs are such and such therefore you must praise them above Turks, Sahelian, Persians, Pakistanis, Bosnians, Horners ect." notice how it's only Arab scholars that claim such things. Name me an Indonesian scholar that glazes Arabs like the deghace glaze themselves.

If I'm not mistaken, I recall Sheikh Assim Al-Hakeem saying dua can only be accepted in Arabic because they are better than us non-Arabs. And he is Indonesian.

 

[Khaem]

If I'm not mistaken, I recall Sheikh Assim Al-Hakeem saying dua can only be accepted in Arabic because they are better than us non-Arabs. And he is Indonesian.

I'll xoog that 5'4 cuck

 

[Al Adnani]

I'll xoog that 5'4 cuck

Delete this if you fear Allah. What the hell is wrong with you people

 

[Do]

I'll xoog that 5'4 cuck

By the way, I love reading your posts. I learn something new everyday on here. Can't wait for you to drop the list of Somali history resources

 

[Khaem]

By the way, I love reading your posts. I learn something new everyday on here. Can't wait for you to drop the list of Somali history resources

Thank you so much abaayo, I'll drop the list and sources I've collected eventually in a thread inshallah.

 

[Omar del Sur]

there are all sorts of principles when it comes to Muslim rulers. it's like I heard someone talk about

there's righteous Muslim rulers... unjust Muslim rulers.... and then there's rulers who commit straight up open kufr (not minor kufr, I mean kufr akbar- major kufr).

I believe in being patient with unjust, oppressive Muslim rulers. I believe in that. I don't believe in rebelling against unjust rulers.

but then there's rulers who commit open kufr. if... for example... a ruler legalizes alcohol.... you can takfir him. this is according to Sheikh Uthaymeen, I've posted him saying this and I can probably dig it up if someone wants to refer back to it.

there's also the matter of ruling by other than what Allah has revealed. if they sometimes rule by other than what Allah has revealed... and it happens sometimes, it's like an ocassional thing... this is kufr duna kufr, it's bad but it's minor kufr not major. however, if they straight up dismantle the shariah and legislate man-man law.... this ruler is a taghut and this is major kufr. people have been taught this is a wrong view, that the ruler can basically be Ataturk and you can't takfir Ataturk unless he basically openly admits to being apostate. this is an incorrect view that's being spread nowadays for political reasons and pushed by people like Shamsi, Faris and Abu Khadeejah. but this is actually a very watered-down view that is not the same as what was believed by scholars like Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah and Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab and even the former grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, who put out a famous fatwa making takfir of rulers that dismantle the shariah. Sheikh Ibn Baz even called for rebelling against rulers that dismantle the shariah. I actually saw one of the "salafi" accounts on twitter attack somebody for posting what Sheikh Ibn Baz said. they didn't want people to see what Sheikh Ibn Baz had said. if you read what the classical scholars said, they considered it to be apostasy to dismantle the shariah. the report of Ibn Abbas saying kufr duna kufr is in the context of the khawarij making takfir of Ali for allegedly going against the shariah in a single instance. it is very dishonest how some of these deceptive modern speakers try to take this and apply this to a ruler who dismantles the shariah, Ataturk style. those are two different situations, Ali was not anything like Ataturk.

I don't believe people should rebel against a ruler who dismantles the shariah (unless they have the means to remove them and can do so without it causing a greater harm to the Muslims) but the rulers that do this are not legitimate Muslim rulers.

 

[Al Adnani]

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there are all sorts of principles when it comes to Muslim rulers. it's like I heard someone talk about

there's righteous Muslim rulers... unjust Muslim rulers.... and then there's rulers who commit straight up open kufr (not minor kufr, I mean kufr akbar- major kufr).

I believe in being patient with unjust, oppressive Muslim rulers. I believe in that. I don't believe in rebelling against unjust rulers.

but then there's rulers who commit open kufr. if... for example... a ruler legalizes alcohol.... you can takfir him. this is according to Sheikh Uthaymeen, I've posted him saying this and I can probably dig it up if someone wants to refer back to it.

there's also the matter of ruling by other than what Allah has revealed. if they sometimes rule by other than what Allah has revealed... and it happens sometimes, it's like an ocassional thing... this is kufr duna kufr, it's bad but it's minor kufr not major. however, if they straight up dismantle the shariah and legislate man-man law.... this ruler is a taghut and this is major kufr. people have been taught this is a wrong view, that the ruler can basically be Ataturk and you can't takfir Ataturk unless he basically openly admits to being apostate. this is an incorrect view that's being spread nowadays for political reasons and pushed by people like Shamsi, Faris and Abu Khadeejah. but this is actually a very watered-down view that is not the same as what was believed by scholars like Sheikh Ibn Taymiyyah and Sheikh Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahhab and even the former grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, who put out a famous fatwa making takfir of rulers that dismantle the shariah. Sheikh Ibn Baz even called for rebelling against rulers that dismantle the shariah. I actually saw one of the "salafi" accounts on twitter attack somebody for posting what Sheikh Ibn Baz said. they didn't want people to see what Sheikh Ibn Baz had said. if you read what the classical scholars said, they considered it to be apostasy to dismantle the shariah. the report of Ibn Abbas saying kufr duna kufr is in the context of the khawarij making takfir of Ali for allegedly going against the shariah in a single instance. it is very dishonest how some of these deceptive modern speakers try to take this and apply this to a ruler who dismantles the shariah, Ataturk style. those are two different situations, Ali was not anything like Ataturk.

I don't believe people should rebel against a ruler who dismantles the shariah (unless they have the means to remove them and can do so without it causing a greater harm to the Muslims) but the rulers that do this are not legitimate Muslim rulers.

This is a fair and logical position. However MBS did not legalize alcohol like some propaganda has suggested. https://x.com/princefaisal_i/status/1750560710512312334?s=46

 

[Omar del Sur]

This is a fair and logical position. However MBS did not legalize alcohol like some propaganda has suggested. https://x.com/princefaisal_i/status/1750560710512312334?s=46

frankly... the bad Muslim rulers of the past like Yazid... they had their problems but they were not stooges of kaffirs. they did all kinds of bad things but they didn't dismantle the shariah and they fought the kaffirs, they weren't subservient to kuffar. if the kuffar attacked, they would sent their armies to defend the Muslims- even if they were cruel or oppressive or whatever. these modern rulers- I'm worried for our physical safety as Muslims having these rulers in charge. the Crusaders come, this time I pretty much expect some of the modern rulers to be helping the Crusaders to kill the Muslims. not only them not fighting the Crusaders- but actively helping them.

from the religious standpoint, I don't feel I owe these rulers anything.

but the argument made is "if you criticize the rulers it will lead to anarchy and bloodshed".... I'm worried about massive bloodshed and Muslims getting genocided if these rulers stay in power. having them in power worries me more as far as the physical safety of Muslims more than people rebelling against them wallahi. I don't go so far as to say to rebel against them or anything like that. but if people did rebel, I hope the rebels win and I wouldn't lift a finger to save the governments.

edit: actually- ok unless they're actual khawarij like AS... but if they rebel and they're reasonable and not insane khariji groups I hope the rebels win