The Dangers of Insulting The Ruler

[Al Adnani]

I have noticed there is lot of people on this website who curse and insult Muslim rulers, ranging from mohamed bin salman (حفظه الله), Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed (حفظه الله), and even Hassan Sheikh. I will explain to you why it is forbidden to do so,

[حسن] - [رواه الترمذي] عن أبي بكرة رضي الله عنه قال: سمعت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: «من أهان السلطان أهانه الله»
This Hadith reads anyone who insults the ruler, Allah will insult him. It is graded as Hassan.

Hudhayfa ibn al-Yaman reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

"Rulers after me will come who do not follow my guidance and my Sunnah. Some of their men will have the hearts of devils in a human body."
I said, “O Messenger of Allah, what should I do if I live to see that time?”
The Prophet said: "You should listen and obey them even if the ruler strikes your back and takes your wealth, even still listen and obey." Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1847

Allah said:
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنكُمْ ۖ فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا
O you who believe, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those invested with authority among you. If you disagree over something, refer it to Allah and the Messenger if you truly believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and most suitable for determination. Surat al-Nisa’ 4:59

Those of you who insult and belittle the rulers, you are on the verge of kufr.

 

[Khaem]

Ik you're isaaq, according to your logic you shouldn't insult or try overthrow Siad Barre?

 

[Lahaine]

So people are not allowed to criticize their rulers who are fucking up their lives and should just be obedient sheeps instead

 

[Al Adnani]

Ik you're isaaq, according to your logic you shouldn't insult or try overthrow Siad Barre?

I do not insult Siad as he is a dead old man, but this only applies to muslim rulers. There is evidence of Siad Barre committing kufr before his death it is actually shown in a netflix documentary that he prayed to jesus in exchange for weapons. He is a very different case

 

[Scipio Africanus]

I believe open rebellion/protest is fine if the ruler declares that he's no longer Muslim & violent struggle is permitted if he doesn't step down from power.

As for misguided Muslim rulers, its best to advise them in private.

 

[Khaem]

I do not insult Siad as he is a dead old man, but this only applies to muslim rulers. There is evidence of Siad Barre committing kufr before his death it is actually shown in a netflix documentary that he prayed to jesus in exchange for weapons. He is a very different case

Ofc you call Siad barre a gaal.
Same with Saudi saying the Ottomans are not real muslims and they're apparently "grave worshippers" therefore it's halal to overthrow them and let English and French carve up the land.

Funny how the only leaders you call Gaal are the leaders who oppose you.

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Ofc you call Siad barre a gaal.
Same with Saudi saying the Ottomans are not real muslims and they're apparently "grave worshippers" therefore it's halal to overthrow them and let English and French carve up the land.

Funny how the only leaders you call Gaal are the leaders who oppose you.

Middle-Eastern Arabs opposed the Francos & Brits carving up the their lands you weasel.

They were militarily outmatched by the superior Euros.

 

[Al Adnani]

Ofc you call Siad barre a gaal.
Same with Saudi saying the Ottomans are not real muslims and they're apparently "grave worshippers" therefore it's halal to overthrow them and let English and French carve up the land.

Funny how the only leaders you call Gaal are the leaders who oppose you.

I disagree with Hassan sheikh, farmaajo, many other somalian leaders but i do not put takfir on them without evidence. Siad barre there is evidence of his kufr during his rule, Allah knows best how he died but i am strictly talking about when he ruled somalia. If it makes you feel any better I think he was not a bad leader

 

[Al Adnani]

So people are not allowed to criticize their rulers who are fucking up their lives and should just be obedient sheeps instead

You are allowed to demonstrate against the ruler only under certain conditions. Mudaharat is the term used for it, a demonstration or strike ( a group of people coming together and saying they won’t move until something happens)There are different types of mudaharat, the ulema have spoken of this of course. One of the types is when you are not trying to overthrow a govt but you want a situation changed, this is permissible. You can strike against this in protest, but this is the only permissible form of mudaharat the remainder are deemed impermissible by the scholars. This is simply to avoid fitna

 

[Khaem]

Middle-Eastern Arabs opposed the Francos & Brits carving up the their lands you weasel.

But they helped them? Was it not the Hashimite ruler who allied with the British to fight Ottomans and opened the most successful front in the war against the caliphate because the Turks never thought Arabs would fight the Islamic state with kaffirs?

Look at bro standing there like a miskeen after he got denied his Arab super state

 

[Lahaine]

You are allowed to demonstrate against the ruler only under certain conditions. Mudaharat is the term used for it, a demonstration or strike ( a group of people coming together and saying they won’t move until something happens)There are different types of mudaharat, the ulema have spoken of this of course. One of the types is when you are not trying to overthrow a govt but you want a situation changed, this is permissible. You can strike against this in protest, but this is the only permissible form of mudaharat the remainder are deemed impermissible by the scholars. This is simply to avoid fitna

Okay I'm starting to see what you're saying but what if the situation isn't any better shouldn't the leader just resign and another one take he's place

 

[Khaem]

"Ottoman sultans were grave worshippers"

Saudi propaganda.

Look at the ottoman sultans being stacked up, looks more like a morgue.

 

[Riftvalley]

Who is the ruler of Somalia: Biixi, SSC, Puntland, Alshabab?

Which ones can’t be insulted and which ones should be obeyed?

Whaf if i support HSM and I believe Biixi is a rebel?

What if I live in the UK and insult a ruler in Africa who brought Wagner to murder his own people?
Can the people of Yemen insult the UAE/Saudi rulers for the humanitarian disaster?

you see how technical this can all get?

 

[Scipio Africanus]

But they helped them? Was it not the Hashimite ruler who allied with the British to fight Ottomans and opened the most successful front in the war against the caliphate because the Turks never thought Arabs would fight the Islamic state with kaffirs?

Look at bro standing there like a miskeen after he got denied his Arab super state View attachment 312737

The last Caliphate was the Sharifian Caliphate headed by Caliph Hussein bin Ali [رَحِمَهُ ٱللَّٰهُ] who was a Hashemite.

Ottoman occupiers/invaders deserved to be expelled from Arab lands. Had the Euros not stabbed us in the back, this would've been our Caliphate [should be including Somalia]:

 

[Al Adnani]

Okay I'm starting to see what you're saying but what if the situation isn't any better shouldn't the leader just resign and another one take he's place

Then you have to be patient and trust in Allah, rebelling is usually a cause for fitnah. I will give you an example, in the Arab spring, the Yemenis assassinated president Ali Abdullah Saleh in frustration with his corrupt rule. However, this assassination only brought more problems. Now Yemen is a fragmented state divided among the rule of several different rebels and the people are suffering even more than before. They should have exacted patience

 

[Khaem]

Who is the ruler of Somalia: Biixi, SSC, Puntland, Alshabab?

Which ones can’t be insulted and which ones should be obeyed?

Whaf if i support HSM and I believe Biixi is a rebel?

What if I live in the UK and insult a ruler in Africa who brought Wagner to murder his own people?
Can the people of Yemen insult the UAE/Saudi rulers for the humanitarian disaster?

you see how technical this can all get?

Somalia as it is because there's no ruler. No winner of the civil war.

Puntlander Baan ahay
Somalilander Baan ahay
Made up nations that didn't exist 30 years ago and won't exist Kkkkk

Don't get me started on the clowns down south. Honestly I prefer to keep to Djibouti and forget about Somalia beyond "Somaliweyn inshallah" cause everytime I try delve into the politics I feel like I belong to an ethnic of monkeys. To make it even worse, instead of these leaders being warlords who invade and sack lands, they're fucking midgets who take trips to dubai and come back with bruises like Instagram models.

 

[Khaem]

The last Caliphate was the Sharifian Caliphate headed by Caliph Hussein bin Ali [رَحِمَهُ ٱللَّٰهُ] who was a Hashemite.

Ottoman occupiers/invaders deserved to be expelled from Arab lands.

Ottomans weren't occupiers and invaders. Just as the mamluks. This is just post caliphate propaganda made by Arabist and Saudis who hate the fact Turks were the leaders of the Islamic world for centuries. Do you think Portuguese wouldn't have sacked mecca in the 1600s if it wasn't for the power of the Ottoman State? Arabs were bickering for centuries. Middle east would've gotten colonised by Europeans in the early colonial era if it wasn't for the ottomans. And the mongols would've invaded Africa if it wasn't for the Turkic Mamluks of Egypt.

All this hatred of Turks and everything they did for the Islamic world in the past centuries is just recent Arabist rewriting of history. They do not like the fact other groups like Persians and Turks had lead the region whilst they bickered.

 

[Scipio Africanus]

Ottomans weren't occupiers and invaders. Just as the mamluks. This is just post caliphate propaganda made by Arabist and Saudis who hate the fact Turks were the leaders of the Islamic world for centuries. Do you think Portuguese wouldn't have sacked mecca in the 1600s if it wasn't for the power of the Ottoman State? Arabs were bickering for centuries. Middle east would've gotten colonised by Europeans in the early colonial era if it wasn't for the ottomans. And the mongols would've invaded Africa if it wasn't for the Turkic Mamluks of Egypt.

All this hatred of Turks and everything they did for the Islamic world in the past centuries is just recent Arabist rewriting of history. They do not like the fact other groups like Persians and Turks had lead the region whilst they bickered.

To be the Caliph you have to be Banu Hashim. The Ottoman were only an empire, they were never a Caliphate.

 

[Khaem]

The last Caliphate was the Sharifian Caliphate headed by Caliph Hussein bin Ali [رَحِمَهُ ٱللَّٰهُ] who was a Hashemite.

Ottoman occupiers/invaders deserved to be expelled from Arab lands. Had the Euros not stabbed us in the back, this would've been our Caliphate [should be including Somalia]:

This is the same wet dream a mere British commander told the Hashimite ruler and he orgasmed in his bedouin tent. He led a revolt against the Turks and ended up being given a British neo colonial state in Iraq instead with no proper rule. All the oil companies who raped the lands recourses were British.

Even the greeks got cucked. The greeks wanted a Reconquista of Constantinople and western Anatolia only for it to get put in "international zone" which was just british occupation. This was because the British didn't want to turn Greece into a regional power. If even the Greeks are getting cucked by the British why do you think they'll care about creating a strong Arab state?

 

[Khaem]

To be the Caliph you have to be Banu Hashim. The Ottoman were only an empire, they were never a Caliphate.

Arabist use this argument all the time.

As far as i know, it's only a recommendation. If there is a good leader who's of a different tribe and another good leader who's of Banu Hashim. It's better to chose the one of the prophet's tribe to be the successor/caliph.

Likewise, if a good leader is of a different tribe and the bad leader challenging his claim is a bad leader of Banu Hashim. It is better to chose the good leader as caliph even if he isn't of the prophet's tribe.

But as far as I'm concerned, Arabs did jack shit other than fight each other and get ruled by Turkic and Persians. Had the Ottomans not established an Islamic state over the reigon the Arabs would've gotten colonised by Portuguese and later other Europeans 400 years ago. Therefore the Ottomans were absolutely a caliphate, they led the Islamic world and carried it into the 20th century before it's collapse.