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I think what you are looking for is social-democratic state like that Danish, whom is also build on a homogenous and ethnic supporting the same services.

Yes but that won't provide free services to immigrants.

The only time hypocracy is useful in Somalia is when we don't give handouts and social services to immigrants.

Even though we were offered social wealthfare by other states. We can't offer that to non-Somalis who are immigrants. Only expats with hard skills can get that.

 

[black]

Somalia is the safest place for Somalis to invest in.

If you had read what I said earlier and you still refuse to answer my question because it crushes your socialist securities.

"If I make revenue in Somalia should I be taxed in Canada"?

There's only two outcomes out of this.

I've already answered that. Why am I a socialist? What makes you think I am a socialist? I've af buuxa said to you I'm not a socialist.

Socialist? I am not a socialist. Are you a Canadian resident living in Canada in this scenario? As a Canadian in Somalia, operating a Somali company, no I do not think you should pay taxes to Canada on profits.

 

[SOMALI GENERAL]

Currently the Somali private sector is taking on the responsibilities of the state. However, when Somalia reunifies & there is peace and stability, nationalist capitalism should be implemented. Somali Businessmen should keep private profits, but they must serve national interests. The gov't, capitalists/industrialists & the workers should work together to create prosperity in our country. The greatest resource is our people not what's underneath the ground, Insha'allah our human capital will be rebuilt & enhanced.

 

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I've already answered that. Why am I a socialist? What makes you think I am a socialist? I've af buuxa said to you I'm not a socialist.

Sorry things got hectic back there. I got @inquisitive waiting to type out a reply that includes words like: Docile, Neo, Europhiles, Santions, Fiat, Crashes, Burns, Collapse"

Anyways, you said some good stuff. But it's still some political shit you want done for you. Guys like you expect Somali politicians to change before you invest in Somalia--that's only for international investors.

At this point you can't wait on politicians to sort out our problems, example the Agro industry.

Politicians lease our land Jubbaland if Somalis don't return to invest in them.

But oh wait, your scared of Alshabab eh.lool

 

[Steamdevolopment]

Yes but that won't provide free services to immigrants.

The only time hypocracy is useful in Somalia is when we don't give handouts and social services to immigrants.

Even though we were offered social wealthfare by other states. We can't offer that to non-Somalis who are immigrants. Only expats with hard skills can get that.

You could use an earning-system, where you must have lived say 5 years to earn it?

 

[black]

Sorry things got hectic back there. I got @inquisitive waiting to type out a reply that includes words like: Docile, Neo, Europhiles, Santions, Fiat, Crashes, Burns, Collapse"

Anyways, you said some good stuff. But it's still some political shit you want done for you. Guys like you expect Somali politicians to change before you invest in Somalia--that's only for international investors.

At this point you can't wait on politicians to sort out our problems, example the Agro industry.

Politicians lease our land Jubbaland if Somalis don't return to invest in them.

But oh wait, your scared of Alshabab eh.lool

Yes, quite frankly I do expect the bare minimum. I'm not saying don't invest in Somalia, I'm saying the government should be held accountable. Somalis need to learn how to govern. It's true though, I personally wouldn't invest in Muqdisho unless the risk-reward really pans out on an exceptional opportunity.

Speaking of which, are you familiar with the livestock sector in Somalia?

 

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Currently the Somali private sector is taking on the responsibilities of the state. However, when Somalia reunifies & there is peace and stability, nationalist capitalism should be implemented. Somali Businessmen should keep private profits, but they must serve national interests. The gov't, capitalists/industrialists & the workers should work together to create prosperity in our country. The greatest resource is our people not what's underneath the ground, Insha'allah our human capital will be rebuilt & enhanced.

Finally someone that gets it.

Every Political Xoolo on this forum wants the government to be stable before they can return home and invest. They want someone to hold thier cocks as they piss.

 

[VixR]

I don't understand people who shit on Capitalism. Even if Capitalism is characterized by recurring crises and inequality; it creates many winners and losers, the economic and technological growth, human creativity, development and innovation, and the sheer productive power afforded by a free market economy model is unparalleled by any other system...EVER. The benefits are invaluable and outweigh the negatives, and we've been more and more successful at mitigating the impact of market crashes, at least to some degree.

The aim shouldn't be to dismiss capitalism, but to more successfully mitigate its downfalls to the fullest extent possible without dampening economic expansion.

Mind you, this is what the politicians are referring to when they constantly speak of, "protecting the Middle Class", making sure the Middle Class isn't being threatened or dwindling is crucial; they're the buffer between the Very Much Haves, the Winners, and the Very Little/Nothing Haves, the Losers.

And, keep in mind, even as a capitalistic society, we do have plenty of socialist programs in place.

And, it really seems to me Somalis do much better in more capitalistic climates than they do in the overly socialistic ones.

 

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I don't understand people who shit on Capitalism. Even if Capitalism is characterized by recurring crises and inequality; it creates many winners and losers, the economic and technological growth, human creativity, development and innovation, and the sheer productive power afforded by a free market economy model is unparalleled by any other system...EVER. The benefits are invaluable and outweigh the negatives, and we've been more and more successful at mitigating the impact of market crashes, at least to some degree.

The aim shouldn't be to dismiss capitalism, but to more successfully mitigate its downfalls to the fullest extent possible without dampening economic expansion.

Mind you, this is what the politicians are referring to when they constantly speak of, "protecting the Middle Class", making sure the Middle Class isn't being threatened or dwindling is crucial; they're the buffer between the Very Much Haves, the Winners, and the Very Little/Nothing Haves, the Losers.

And, keep in mind, even as a capitalistic society, we do have plenty of socialist programs in place.

And, it really seems to me Somalis do much better in more capitalistic climates than they do in the overly socialistic ones.

Somali just needs to stay below 20 million residents.

This is why i'm for balkanization. Whatever somali country has the least people will be the most successful. Human capital can be brought in with cheap wages and accommodation.

Somalis just need to stop having 10 babies each.

 

[oday1kenobi]

Currently the Somali private sector is taking on the responsibilities of the state. However, when Somalia reunifies & there is peace and stability, nationalist capitalism should be implemented. Somali Businessmen should keep private profits, but they must serve national interests. The gov't, capitalists/industrialists & the workers should work together to create prosperity in our country. The greatest resource is our people not what's underneath the ground, Insha'allah our human capital will be rebuilt & enhanced.

As we can see in Somalia/SL, it's the private sector that is providing growth and development to such an extent that even in tiny somaliland (4 mill population), there are several mobile operating companies that compete with each other and innovate (Zaad payments) which resulted in SL having the cheapest call rates in the world.

The above is just one example but it just goes to show that even with limited/non-existent state interference, the Somali people traded their way out of obscurity and reconnected with the wider world.

However, I'm sure we all can agree that state interference sets a precedence in certain areas (vital infrastructure, energy, water supply ect) especially in a country like Somalia where most of the people live in abject poverty and turmoil. Therefore, it must be the state that ensures development and growth via nationalising vital industries at least until Somalia can get back on her feet.

 

[VixR]

Somali just needs to stay below 20 million residents.

This is why i'm for balkanization. Whatever somali country has the least people will be the most successful. Human capital can be brought in with cheap wages and accommodation.

Somalis just need to stop having 10 babies each.

I also support Balkanization. I think it's the only way we can get past the ingrained Somali Qabil Crab Mentality. I've even suggested bringing in foreign human capital for labour as well population health, since Balkanization potentially threatens gene variety.

 

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I also support Balkanization. I think it's the only way we can get past the ingrained Somali Qabil Crab Mentality. I've even suggested bringing in foreign human capital for labour as well population health, since Balkanization could potentially threaten gene variety.

Free mobility will change that. It's just you need to fingerprint and DNA your citizens. Somalis are free to come and marry each other. They just wouldn't get citizenship.

A political mistake in Xamaar has caused Isis fighters to Arrive in Bari. This is madness

 

[Prince Abubu]

I don't understand people who shit on Capitalism. Even if Capitalism is characterized by recurring crises and inequality; it creates many winners and losers, the economic and technological growth, human creativity, development and innovation, and the sheer productive power afforded by a free market economy model is unparalleled by any other system...EVER. The benefits are invaluable and outweigh the negatives, and we've been more and more successful at mitigating the impact of market crashes, at least to some degree.

The aim shouldn't be to dismiss capitalism, but to more successfully mitigate its downfalls to the fullest extent possible without dampening economic expansion.

Mind you, this is what the politicians are referring to when they constantly speak of, "protecting the Middle Class", making sure the Middle Class isn't being threatened or dwindling is crucial; they're the buffer between the Very Much Haves, the Winners, and the Very Little/Nothing Haves, the Losers.

And, keep in mind, even as a capitalistic society, we do have plenty of socialist programs in place.

And, it really seems to me Somalis do much better in more capitalistic climates than they do in the overly socialistic ones.

Firstly, no other system has been allowed to grow and prosper. Capitalist societies have systematically rooted out any competitive system either violently or through subterfuge.

Innovation isn't exclusive to capitalism. In fact, many areas of innovation and technology change have been government led or sponsored. Capitalist society is ultimately unsustainable because its consumer-based. Consumerism is not continually viable in a world with finite resources and a growing human population. Corporations are also usually interested in making more profit to divide between it's shareholders, rather than creating a safe, clean and more equal world. The idea that someone dies from hunger or disease because they don't have enough paper, which is all money is, is absolutely horrendous and Kafkaesque. Most Jobs will also be fully automated in the coming decades which create further inequality. Soon many progressive nations will move towards a universal income and will phase out capitalism more and more.

 

[VixR]

Firstly, no other system has been allowed to grow and prosper. Capitalist societies have systematically rooted out any competitive system either violently or through subterfuge.

I'm really interested in what you mean by this. Expand?

Innovation isn't exclusive to capitalism. In fact, many areas of innovation and technology change have been government led or sponsored. Capitalist society is ultimately unsustainable because its consumer-based. Consumerism is not continually viable in a world with finite resources and a growing human population. Corporations are also usually interested in making more profit to divide between it's shareholders, rather than creating a safe, clean and more equal world. The idea that someone dies from hunger or disease because they don't have enough paper, which is all money is, is absolutely horrendous and Kafkaesque. Most Jobs will also be fully automated in the coming decades which create further inequality. Soon many progressive nations will move towards a universal income and will phase out capitalism more and more.

Your concern for material resources is notable, but capitalism constantly revolutionizes the means of production and in the backdrop of an open market society, the Material Sciences, both in providing new materials for production and tending towards more renewable, recyclable and environment-friendly avenues for disposal, caters to that. While there is excess, alongside that there are advancements in renewable energy and a gear towards cleaner products and efficiency, and you can observe the evolution of that by simply looking any one product in its first form, and the consumerism that you dismiss as wasteful is often the fuel that helps that mechanism along. And when I was speaking of innovation, I didn't necessarily mean government-led innovation so much as entrepreneurial capitalism, which is characterized by new products and forms of distribution and organization displacing older forms due to new knowledge and demand for high quality. There's a rationality to capitalism that just doesn't exist with other models. And as I've said, they're are usually programs and laws embedded within the society that cushion the extreme example you presented regarding the dying, diseased citizen.

The idea that automation will replace human capital is as old as the birth of the industrial revolution, and yet time keeps setting the clock back on the encroachment of such a reality. I doubt that the prospect of universal incomes the straight-line progression you present it as, but it's interesting to think about.

 

[horumar]

Capitalism will fall. It is said democracy eventually leads to marxism, they're right about that. Capitalism is nothing more than exploitation. We should not compare ourseleves with S/Korea or Japan, their high suicide rates are a direct result of capitalism, why should we sell our souls and dignity for money? Shameful.

I am hoping to from the Somali Socialist party, and ban people like you to ever step foot into Somalia.

 

[El padrone]

I remember reading a thread on here. Someone from SL was arguing with someone from Somalia about who had a bigger annual budget.

It was 200-300million I think. This is what companies in the west spend on Research and Development annually.

And these neefs are bickering about pennies, while there's gold under thier feet.

:siilaanyolaugh: waryaa stop throwing shade. call me out at least. lol
srsly you gonna underrate the huge effort of an UNRECOGNIZED country, against all odds, to collect $300m from the most libertarian society in the world?
thats what you call intellectual dishonesty.

you are laughable walahi, comparing fortune 500 companies in first world nations to somaliland/somalia? XOOLO FOQOL XOOLO!
I was genuinely interested in this thread till i stumbled your xaar comment lol. be realistic sxb, baby steps.
the gold and nimco under our feets need BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH INFRASTRUCTURE AND STRONG, TRANSPARENT GOV INSTITUTIONS.

THE KOREA AND SINGAPORE YOURE OBSEASED WERE BUILT WITH MONEY BY WHITE CAPITALISTS. THE UK AND US HAD HUGE HAND IN TRANSFORMING THEM FROM COLONIES TO CAPITALISM POSTER COUNTRIES!!!

thats why somalis need to master the politics, establish good sound policies, regulations, and environment to attract foreign direct investment. as someone whos trying to give investment advices you should know better sxb!
ever read the world banks requirement and the whole bureaucratics before implementing an investment project as small as wind turbine in africa?!


you want us to take shovels and dig with our hands?

 

[El padrone]

This sums up our sad state of affairs rather well. The Somali mind is parochial and myopic.

you are taking him serious? the dude is riling us up with unrealistic fantasy!

 

[AussieHustler]

I came to this place because I had the impression that Dabacasar was a member and active on this website. But it turned out, it was an imposter by the name of NinkiiIsUureeye or EeddoMenace.

 

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:siilaanyolaugh: waryaa stop throwing shade. call me out at least. lol
srsly you gonna underrate the huge effort of an UNRECOGNIZED country, against all odds, to collect $300m from the most libertarian society in the world?
thats what you call intellectual dishonesty.

you are laughable walahi, comparing fortune 500 companies in first world nations to somaliland/somalia? XOOLO FOQOL XOOLO!
I was genuinely interested in this thread till i stumbled your xaar comment lol. be realistic sxb, baby steps.
the gold and nimco under our feets need BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH INFRASTRUCTURE AND STRONG, TRANSPARENT GOV INSTITUTIONS.

THE KOREA AND SINGAPORE YOURE OBSEASED WERE BUILT WITH MONEY BY WHITE CAPITALISTS. THE UK AND US HAD HUGE HAND IN TRANSFORMING THEM FROM COLONIES TO CAPITALISM POSTER COUNTRIES!!!

thats why somalis need to master the politics, establish good sound policies, regulations, and environment to attract foreign direct investment. as someone whos trying to give investment advices you should know better sxb!
ever read the world banks requirement and the whole bureaucratics before implementing an investment project as small as wind turbine in africa?!


you want us to take shovels and dig with our hands?

Everything you just said is provided by business and capitalist.

From infrastructuer projects to banking requirements consultants will need to get paid. All we need to do is show them our vision and how we want it presented to the people and public.

I'm focused promoting private equity.

I don't care if you were interested in my thread; quit getting butt hurt about Somaliland; because then it comes from Entrepreneurs every single entrepreneur in Somalia needs each other regardless of Qabil.



No amount of money or independence is going to help YOU' athiga muster up the courage to start a business in Somaliland.

Until then keep posting pictures of other business and developments started by people who actually worked hard to achieve it.

So many coat tile riders on this website.

 

[El padrone]

Everything you just said is provided by business and capitalist.

From infrastructuer projects to banking requirements consultants will need to get paid. All we need to do is show them our vision and how we want it presented to the people and public.

I'm focused promoting private equity.

I don't care if you were interested in my thread; quit getting butt hurt about Somaliland; because then it comes from Entrepreneurs every single entrepreneur in Somalia needs each other regardless of Qabil.



No amount of money or independence is going to help YOU' athiga muster up the courage to start a business in Somaliland.

Until then keep posting pictures of other business and developments started by people who actually worked hard to achieve it.

So many coat tile riders on this website.

Sxb i cant take you serious. its obv you have vendetta against Sland progress. and we all know landers are most entrepreneurial somalis, our private sector basically built somaliland, they paid the army, civil servants during egal and bootstrapped our finances.
Shouldnt we give credit where its due?

About starting business, well im alrrady working on it. already submitted license application in Sland.

I expect you the same sxb, stop being all talk and let ur accomplishment do the talk.
lead by example, motivation is fickle without commitment. Im all about everything good for somalis.