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I ask you to please post sources from the Qur’aan hadith and our scholars about the impermissiblilty of tawassul to the dead and the living please begin and i will respond
Give us an example of what would be said. Ex@Fiidmeer @Boqor Quark Boqor Cisman @Ferrari @Poets
I ask you to please post sources from the Qur’aan hadith and our scholars about the impermissiblilty of tawassul to the dead and the living please begin and i will respond
Umar ibn al Khattab raximullah said "O Allah! We would use our Prophet as a means to You and You then sent us rain; now we use our Prophet's uncle as a means to You, therefore send us rain!"Give us an example of what would be said. Ex
So why did they stop using Prophet(SAW) name when he's far more righteous than Abbas(RA).Umar ibn al Khattab raximullah said "O Allah! We would use our Prophet as a means to You and You then sent us rain; now we use our Prophet's uncle as a means to You, therefore send us rain!"
Narrated from Anas by al-Bukhari in his Sahih
Something like that brother
Istighatha means to ask for help tawassul means to drawing yourself closer to AllahYou used the name tawassul in the thread title, so my first question before I bring the verses, hadiths and the sayings of the scholars is the following: What is the definition of Tawassul? And how is that different from Istighathah? I do not want you, or myself, to mix them up. Just to make sure we're on the same page: give your definition and if possible, back it up with sources.
Among the many proofs of its permissibility is the Hadith of Uthman ibn Hunayf (Allah be pleased with him) in which the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) advised a man complaining of blindness to offer two Rak’ats prayer and then supplicate saying, “O Allah, I ask you and turn to you through my Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of Mercy…” (Tirmidhi). The same Uthman ibn Hunayf, after the passing of the Prophet (peace be upon him), advised a person who visited him repeatedly, concerning something he needed, to do the same. (Al-Mu’jam al-Kabir of Tabarani and classed as authentic (sahih) by al-Bayhaqi, Mundhiri, al-Haythami and others).So why did they stop using Prophet(SAW) name when he's far more righteous than Abbas(RA).
Ibn `Awn narrated that `Umar took al-`Abbas's hand and raised it up, saying, 'O Allah, we seek a means to You with the uncle of Your Prophet to ask that You drive away from us the drought and water us with rain'...."
Sxb I get you when you say through someones deeds you can ask Allah because in the end you're asking him alone. But what the sufis do is different. They and the shi'a call dead people to help which is shirk.Imaam Hasan ibn Ibrahim al-Hallal [ra] has stated that whenever he had any urgent need, he would go to the grave of Imaam Moosa ibn Ja'far [ra] and make Tawassul through him. Allah Ta'ala would fulfil his need. (refer Taarikh Baghdaad)
2Imaam Shaafi'ee [ra] would make Tawassul at the grave of Imaam Abu Hanifa [ra]. (Taarikh Baghdaad). Allaamah al-Kawthari has classified this incident as authentic. (Maqaalaatul Kawthari pg.381)
3Allaamah Taajuddeen al-Subki [ra] has mentioned that the people would go to the grave of Imaam ibn Foorak(ra), the teacher of Imaam Bayhaqi [ra] and make Du'aa and their Du'aas would get accepted.
4Hafiz Al-Zarkashi [ra] has made Tawassul in the introduction to his commentary to Sahih al-Bukhari entitled, 'al-Tanqeeh'.
5Hafiz Taqi-u-ddin al-Subki [ra], the father of Taajuddin al-Subki [ra], has approved of this firm of Tawassul and he has written a detailed treatise on this topic. (See his book: Shifaa-u-Siqaam pgs.293-318)
6Allamah Nawawi [ra] has mentioned that from among the etiquettes of visiting the grave of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] one should make Tawassul through Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] to Allah Ta'ala to accept his Du'aas. Thereafter, Allamah Nawawi states, '...and one of the best things that one should do is what has been related by Allaamah al-Mawardi [ra], al-Qaadhi Abu Teeb [ra] and all our Ulama and they have all regarded it as commendable, and that is the incident of Imaam al-Utabi [ra] that he said, 'I was once seated by the grave of Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam], when a Bedouin came and said, 'Peace be upon you, oh, Messenger of Allah. O Messenger of Allah, I have heard Almighty Allah say in the Qur'aan "And if they, when they had been unjust to themselves, had come to you (Muhammad Sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and begged Allah's forgiveness and the messenger had begged forgiveness for them, indeed they would have found Allah All-Forgiving. Most merciful.(Al-Nisaa:64) hence, I have come to you in a state that I seek forgiveness of my sins by seeking your intercession by my Lord', thereafter he recited a few couplets and departed. Imaam al-Utabi [ra] states, 'I then fell asleep and I saw Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wasallam] instructing me by the words, 'O Utabi, go to that Bedouin and give him the glad tidings that Almighty Allah has forgiven him.' (Refer al-Majmoo vol.8 pg.456 - Cairo and Manaasikul-Imaam-Al-Nawawi pg.498-499 Maktabah Salafia). This incident has been related by many Ulama in their respective compilations. Some of them are: Haafiz Ibn-Katheer in his Tafseer, Allamah Abu-Muhammad ibn Qudaamah in Al-Mughni vol.3 pg.556, Imaam Abul-Faraj in Al-Sharhul-Kabeervol.3 pg.495, etc.)
7Imaam Ahmad bin Hambal(RA) has also encouraged making Tawassul through Rasulullah [sallallahu alayhi wasallam] in ones duas. (Fataawa ibn Taimiyyah vol.1 pg.140, Also see Mafaaheem pg.137)
8Haafiz Shamsud-Deen Al-Sakhawi (RA), the grand student of Haafiz ibn Hajr Al-Asqalaani(RA) made Tawassul on many occasions through Rasulullah [Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam] in his books, see for example Al-Tuhfatul-Lateefah vol.1 pg.3, 17; al-Ibtihaaj bi azkaaril musaafiril haaj
9Allamah Muhammad ibn-ul-Jazri(RA) the famous Muhaddith and Master of Qira'aat has mentioned that from amongst the Aadaab etiquettes of dua is that one makes Tawassul with the Ambiyaa and the pious ones.(Al-Hisnul Haseen)
10Imaam Al-Shawkaani Al-Salafi(RA) has also permitted Tawassul. (Tuhfatu-Zaakireen pg.50)
The vast majority of sufis don’t do it. If they do then theyre not real sufis as a sufi must adhere to the sharia.Sxb I get you when you say through someones deeds you can ask Allah because in the end you're asking him alone. But what the sufis do is different. They and the shi'a call dead people to help which is shirk.
I know because the present sufis aren't the same as the ones in the past. There was a time when sufism was one of the most popular and they were regarded as sunni.The vast majority of sufis don’t do it. If they do then theyre not real sufis as a sufi must adhere to the sharia.
Nope not true. Heretical sufis have always existed. It’s no different today. That why one should follow a established sufi order that goes back to the prophet.I know because the present sufis aren't the same as the ones in the past. There was a time when sufism was one of the most popular and they were regarded as sunni.
Idk somali sufis seem a bit extreme like when some somali traders passed the grave of a sheikh, they done this:The vast majority of sufis don’t do it. If they do then theyre not real sufis as a sufi must adhere to the sharia.
What does this have to do with sufis? Somalis are superstitious peopleIdk somali sufis seem a bit extreme like when some somali traders passed the grave of a sheikh, they done this:
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