Taboo subject. But lets be honest here.

[Three Moons]

We don't put anything towards maintenance. Look at all the old buildings in Xamar, they're in disrepair. They put up new buildings and these crumbled buildings are just sitting there. Before someone runs in here and says, well it's the Southerners, Saylac looks terrible and is severely underdeveloped and that's the most historic city in the north.

True, one hundred years from now, if nothing is done to restore them in the time between, they will no longer exist and Somali kids in 2120 will wonder if they had any historic heritage at all. All of Somalia’s Ls, that destroyed entire quarters and historic monumental buildings and structures, happened in the last 130 to 150 years, exactly when the Europeans made their way to Africa, though we can go back even further than that when the Portuguese attacked Somali cities in the 16th century.

There is a silver lining though, there are plenty of illustrations and photographs to reconstruct and restore old Somali ruins. In Germany they resurrected an entire Cathedral from scratch after it was destroyed during WWII;

 

[Grey Alien]

Nomads, of course. They have no appreciation of architecture.

 

[Soul Kaizer]

Nomads, of course. They have no appreciation of architecture.

Not all somalis are nomad

 

[Testo 21]

Are you really free if they can cancel everything

You can't decide where you live

Where you work or do study

You cant decide how to manage yo income.

Noolashaash cadaab weeye, so its better not to get your hope up.

Even if you dream, they'll claim something wrong whit you.

 

[Grey Alien]

Not all somalis are nomad

Nomads are meant to wander, not to settle and build the city permenantly. Nomad culture remains deep in our people's blood, enough to call ourselves "Soomali"; historically, our culture showed a strong taboo for blacksmith, seafoods and other etc. Why cant we be "Tumaal", a noble meaning which displays noble characteristics of working and buliding with iron that shall birth an industrialization of our country?

 

[Soul Kaizer]

Nomads are meant to wander, not to settle and build the city permenantly. Nomad culture remains deep in our people's blood, enough to call ourselves "Soomali"; historically, our culture showed a strong taboo for blacksmith, seafoods and other etc. Why cant we be "Tumaal", a noble meaning which displays noble characteristics of working and buliding with iron that shall birth an industrialization of our country?

Many other ethnicities have an artisanal taboo like the arabs yet they were able to achieve many architectural achievements.

reer magaal also practiced artisanal skills.

 

[Periplus]

We don’t even have one building that stood the test of time

I think there is a mosque from the 13th century that is still standing in Xamar. It was built in 1269.

 

[AbrahamFreedom]

White people are more collaborative, trustful, humble enough to seek advice and guidance from people who will know better than they do, care about others, and follow the rules even when no one is looking. It's all culture and all these things matter when constructing a building or even paving a road for example.

 

[Nin123]

How come some European cities 200yrs ago looked better and had better design infrastructure, planning than some African cities now?

Is it culture? Is it below average IQ among our people… what is it? Can’t all be colonisation.

How come we are terrible at governing & building an advanced society? Why is it we do poorly in GDP figures, child mortality, healthcare outcomes & strong institutions?

Why has Somalia only adopted a written language in 1972? Ancient Romans had this on lock 2000+yrs ago and built powerful ships?

Why are our people so lazy, unproductive and prone to violence and superstition?

Lower iq kulaha f you and I hope you marry you cadaan and leave us alone.

 

[Soul Kaizer]

Lower iq kulaha f you and I hope you marry you cadaan and leave us alone.

Its crazy we have a large sub section of the diaspora that think somalis are mentally deficient compared to cadaans.

@Nin123 read that last part “Aristocratic” by their own words somalis portray the “Aristocratic” look.

 

[Chase]

Don’t do this. Before the war, Northerners were coming to the South and not vice versa, even now Northern areas are free from
Violence but it’s still a poverty stricken **** hole that can’t even compete financially with Xamar.

I’d take your claims seriously when people in Northern areas are living better and they’re not.

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Look at the difference between the North & South when it comes to Isbaaro checkpoints, it's gotten so bad farmers have quit their livelihoods thanks to all the militias 'taxing' them.

The North doesn't need a UN backed peacekeeping mission to keep it getting overrun by a terrorist outfit braying for Somalia's destruction.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

Nomads are meant to wander, not to settle and build the city permenantly. Nomad culture remains deep in our people's blood, enough to call ourselves "Soomali"; historically, our culture showed a strong taboo for blacksmith, seafoods and other etc. Why cant we be "Tumaal", a noble meaning which displays noble characteristics of working and buliding with iron that shall birth an industrialization of our country?

speak for yourself and your specific lineage bozo

 

[Aseer]

The eebs and flows of civilization come and go,

London when the romans conquerered it, it had stone walls, stone buildings, a working sewage system, roads etc... then the anglo saxons took over and kicked out the britons to east coast, the city went into ill repair.
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Its wall was partially destroyed, the sewage system in disrepair, the bath houses broken, nothing left behind, this remained for 1000 years, much of Europe got it's fancy building by the slavery or slavery related income.


These types of houses replaced the Roman stone ones, much of london was made from wood until it went into flames source
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Take a closer look at history; things are often more complex than they seem. For much of its past, Europe was a battleground, with constant conflicts shaping its development. Significant societal improvements only began when the collective will for progress emerged. For instance, the Early European Farmers were largely decimated by the Bell Beaker culture, which also took many of their women, the only remain being found either north into Scandinavian or deep into the aleps. It is only in recent times that Europe has moved towards greater stability and cooperation.

Somalis or whatever we were called had our time and we wasted it, not being a unified state cost us dearly, we had our Alexander but it wasn't meant to be.

Here are a number of city state that existed 2,000 years ago on the Somali coast.

• Aromata– Known in ancient times as the Cape of Spices, it was an important place for the ancient cinnamon and Indian spice trade.
• Avalites
• Botiala – In ancient times, the port city of Botiala transported goods such as aromatic woods, gum and incense to Indian, Persian and Arab merchants
• Bulhar
• Damo – Ancient port town in northern Somalia. It likely corresponded with the Periplus "Market of Spices". Holds many historical artifacts and structures, including ancient coins, Roman pottery, drystone buildings, cairns, mosques, walled enclosures, standing stones and platform monuments.[23]
• Essina – Ancient emporium possibly located between the southern ports of Barawa and Merca, based on Ptolemy's work.
• Gondal – Ancient town in southern Somalia. It is considered a predecessor of the port city Kismayo.[24]
• Hannassa
• Macajilayn
• Malao – Ancient port city known for its commerce in frankincense and myrrh in exchange for cloaks, copper and gold from Arsinoe and India.
• Miandi
• Mosylon – The most important ancient port city of the Somali Peninsula, it handled a considerable amount of the Indian Ocean trade through its large ships and extensive harbor.
• Mundus – Ancient port engaged in the fragrant gum and cinnamon trade with the Hellenic world.
• Nikon – ancient coastal emporium in the Horn of Africa. It was situated in the vicinity of Port Dunford in the southern Jubaland.
• Opone – In ancient times, the port city of Opone traded with merchants from Phoenicia, Egypt, Greece, Persia and the Roman Empire, and connected with traders from as far afield as Indonesia and Malaysia, exchanging spices, silks and other goods.
• Sarapion – Ancient port city in Somalia. It is the possible predecessor of Mogadishu.
• Salweyn
• Tabae – Ancient port where sailors on their way to India could take refuge from the storms of the Indian Ocean.
• Toniki

Qabyaalad fucked us over we had the literal foundations to form great civilisations and could have achieved more feats but this curse held us back and everytime we are getting somewhere this curse pulls us back down into the shit.

 

[Aseer]

Much of our cities have been bombarded routinely by the western colonials.

We have many writing going back into the medieval age saying our cities had 5 story tall buildings all over the place.

We weren’t poor either we had a very lucrative market for a large part of our history.

much of our architectural heritage is swallowed by the sea or bombed to bits.

I am still believing that most of our ancient port cities were submerged by the ocean.

 

[mizuu67]

So they built nice cathedrals? Yes they're good I've been to many but most of everything else was slums. Them building nice churches.

How is it cope bringing up the fact they didn't have cities 1700 years ago? Berbera was founded 3,000 years ago. If your race didn't have cities until the dark age that is an embarrassment.

Somalia has many old buildings, we may not have massive cathedrals but that's not an issue or anything to mean Somalis weren't advanced.

Ibn Battuta visited Mogadishu in 1331 and wrote how the buildings were 4-5 story tall, another source writes that people all across the indian ocean came to Xamar to pursue islamic education in medieval times.

To be fair ancient europeans did have large cities. some european civilizations had cities larger than those found in Mesopotamia. Europe has very fertile land so its not too surprising. Not much point comparing since the areas are so vastly different.

Cucuteni–Trypillia culture - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[NidarNidar]

To be fair ancient europeans did have large cities. some european civilizations had cities larger than those found in Mesopotamia. Europe has very fertile land so its not too surprising. Not much point comparing since the areas are so vastly different.

Cucuteni–Trypillia culture - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Not familiar with this but was thia done by EEF? If so they would of had similar culture to Mesopotamia.

 

[mizuu67]

Not familiar with this but was thia done by EEF? If so they would of had similar culture to Mesopotamia.

No they wouldnt. they lived nowhere near eachother and had different ancestors (Mesopotamians descend from Iranian Neolithic farmers and EEF are Anatolian farmers mixed with European hunter gatherers ). This was a completely distinct european culture.

 

[Dagdag]

All of sub Saharan Africa lacking. No original written language. No influence on outside world with regards to exporting religion, philosophy,governance, science, architecture. No point lying to myself we’ve been behind for long time. It’s best to face truth and accept there is problem and then come up with solution

I look at Chinese and Indians and they have huge chip on shoulder. They go so hard to catch up to cadaan people and acknowledge there is gap. As kids they are pushed hard at school and then parents spend money for tutors after school. They put in double the work to keep up with cadaan people. Africans need to do same we should carry massive chip on our shoulder and put in tripple the work to catch up. Some races might be more talented at certain things but I believe hard work can close gap. I hope this cultural shift happens with second gen of Somalis. Many first gen had to do it on their own with refuge parents. New generations should be like Asians with best schools and expensive tutors for kids. So we have world leading scientists and experts and even Nobel prizes and major inventions.

The people who say we doing good and our history is great to me it’s patronizing and saying for your race this is good as it gets.

 

[Khaem]

To be fair ancient europeans did have large cities. some european civilizations had cities larger than those found in Mesopotamia. Europe has very fertile land so its not too surprising. Not much point comparing since the areas are so vastly different.

Cucuteni–Trypillia culture - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Nigga the only cities "ancient europeans" had was in the Mediterranean which was connected tk the middle east and north Africa Civilisations.

There is no ancient history in Europe beyond the Mediterranean, until Romans conquered them.

 

[World]

Somalia has shit geography. Europe doesn’t.

Give north somalia 600+ mm of rainfall then the entire region would have been settled by farmers, and a centralised kingdom would have united it 2000 years ago, and built huge cities and a great civilisation. It already had trade links with persia, egypt, india, arabia, china, romans, greeks.