Systemic And Strucural Racism Discussion

[DR OSMAN]

Please guys this isn't about 'social' racism as focused a-lot by people in here. But is there a structural form of racism in the western world? Structural(govt, schooling, market, courts, police) and Systemic(repeating itself) to create conditions for blacks to never emerge out of poverty or low socio-economic generation after generation.

Structural racism argues the economic system(the market place) ensures blacks are never promoted, struggle with hiring, have to work 100 times harder for the same opportunity as whites plus they argue whites got subsidized land by govt in the past to create their neighborhoods while they didn't and there is mortgage discrimination. Even attempts by blacks to create businesses in tulsa were burned down by whites.

It also argues the schooling system is de-funded intentionally to ensure no quality students emerge generation to generation from their areas at a govt level who collects statistics on 'zip code n racial make up'. It argues the legal system calculates black common crimes by statistics and creates harsh laws n punishment and thus leads to over-policing on blacks.

The other side argues blacks and minorities tend to have higher rate of absent fathers and single mother home which is well known that 80% of prisoners and 70% drug addicts are from such homes. They also have a much higher rate of mental illness. They argue affirmative actions hurts whites/asian as they lose spots to blacks, but the counter-argument is whites get better school funding and facilities to create better student outcome.

Can the home structure be fixed if the structure is left un-touched(no quality generation emerging) to replace the past generation thru quality schools? which comes first? the reform of the home and how they raise their kids or structural changes? or is it a mix of both that both need to work out?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Please this is a discussion so add ur views without getting down to 'petty blame game' which leads to nothing but back n forth. Pls refrain from 'shock value' responses for drama sake, this is purely about what u think is potential solutions or what facts were left out that need consideration. These issues effect Somalis also

 

[DR OSMAN]

I take back saying not to discuss social element as @Inquisitive_ made a strong valid point that the social element is a big factor to consider about any structure and system as they can bring in their social values and rot the system from within and therefore the system/structure regardless what it is will rott. So yes discuss social but link it to the system n structure aspect becuz the way I see it is, you can't make ppl love or hate u, that's free will, plus it doesn't really impact you as long as they don't have 'power' which goes str8 back to structural and system elements.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Inquisitive_ Let's discuss where this 'black is bad' image is rooted in, it is observable in all cultures worldwide, is it other cultures petty attempts to conform to the 'ruling class or empire image' of whites so they don't get discriminated? did it only emerge post 19th century when whites were becoming global powers and transported this 'black is bad' to the world, did it emerge due to globalism and interconnectivity of nations and ideas becuz before then the world was 'spheres and axis and dominion' mainly religious themes and some 'empires' and sometimes 'mix' of both but noone had 'global' access like we do today to access black is bad.

But the world as we know it now never had a 'global order' of this porportion and free access to ideas. I noticed a-lot of social racism is due to fears of being discriminated yourself, u see this alot on the spot but with other communities also that are not white.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Inquisitive_ I studied the world in previous time periods, they didn't even know this concept of race so it's a very new 19th century. They knew ppl as tribes or nations only, plus they were judged on their 'status' more then anything among their community(merchants, academic, peasants, slaves, nomads, farmers, urbanites, religious, royal titles, diplomats) but their was no this 'one blanket rule'.

I know I follow the old world method at all times to measure individual value not the blanket rule that makes far more credible sense as you want to 'grow' and 'gifts whether genetic n born with it or taught' can happen anywhere in the world. It doesn't discriminate and for you too discriminate is limiting your own POTENTIAL and ur society. That's why I want all Somalis to get out of the 19th century mentality on the world, your limiting your own growth. Wisdom requires your mentally open to both successful/unsuccessful individuals or communities so u can learn the traits of failure and success.

 

[DR OSMAN]

As a kid it never sat well with me the 'blanket' judgement on a whole community, they consist of individuals of varying capabilities, by following that method, I would limit my own 'growth' due to creating my own bubble in my mind. I suspect why the world doesn't grow in progress and nobel peace prizes is becuz the 'pool' of talent has been limited to one 'sphere' the west. Then it's a number game as socrates said, everyone falls under the pyramid system(top is brilliance n ideas ppl of all fields), the middle pyramid(is average folks observe events), lower pyramid(is the ppl watcher weak minds), the average at least observe events but 'add' nothing to it in their field, while the lower pyramid 'ppl' watchers will not add anything but watch wat other ppl r doing.

Imagine the west who knows the pyramid structure of societies is the same world wide, imagine they tapped into and linked all the 'top pyramid' ppl of the world together, that would create massive growth for the world, rather then waiting from their localized average pyramid pool to join the top pyramid and contribute. Thats going to be a 'numbers' game and 'rate' of successes will be low.