Syrian Bedouin Tribes Mobilise against the Israeli backed Druze minority

[Webb]

They were so close to having that guys head on a spike then they were told to retreat

 

[Riftvalley]

They were so close to having that guys head on a spike then they were told to retreat

Syria has just had some of the sanctions lifted and the president met with Trump. Israel may even invade or try to kill the president of Syria if the tribal forces slaughter the Druze. Many things are at play. These guys are also former rebels learning on the job dealing with seasoned kalabs like Israel propping up their proxies.

 

[zeilaprime]

I had hope for Syria, but a having an ISIS president plus Israel invading = Somalia in 91. Best of luck to them, they will need it.

 

[Medeea]

I had hope for Syria, but a having an ISIS president plus Israel invading = Somalia in 91. Best of luck to them, they will need it.

Yeah, the guy’s very sectarian. His goons were going around towns forcibly shaving men’s mustaches.

The Prophet said it’s sunnah to shave, but he didn’t say go around forcing others to do it. And most Druze aren’t even Muslim anyway.

I was optimistic and still am, if he and his goons keep their sectarian and religious fanaticism to themselves.

Otherwise, they’ll end up worse than Iraq. .

Minus the Saudi stuff, if you add the millions of Somali/cushitic nomads +nilo Saharan Sunnis+tuaregs Muslims and the Fulanis/baggaras Arabs across the Sahel, you basically have a horde of Sunni tribal men.

It will give you a better explanation as to why the west spends trillions of dollars keeping weak regimes in power in the Muslim world and Israel is protected so much. It explains why certain Muslim countries are so obsessed with stopping another Arab spring or movements calling for pan Sunni Muslim unity.
Only problem with Bedouins/tribal group as a core army is that they often splinter and are prone to being motivated by money.

Pastoralists are anti-state and anti-civilization. They’re brave and quick with the sword but just as quick to backstab each other and are unruly

In ’77, while Ali Samatar was returning with a genius plan (that even caught Soviet generals off guard) to save the remaining SNA from being encircled and wiped out, Darod generals and officers(who made up 80%+ of the SNA) were busy plotting a coup against a Darod president even before the Soviets even intervened.

That same Pastoralists Darod heavy command (thanks to Siad Barre’s totally non-clannish policies) is exactly why we lost the war.

Damascus is playing with fire using and empowering Bedouins.

 

[Midas]

The syria govt has like 10 thousand forces directly under their control. There's no way the could fight an alliance of 100k bedouins.

 

[Riftvalley]

Yeah, the guy’s very sectarian. His goons were going around towns forcibly shaving men’s mustaches.

The Prophet said it’s sunnah to shave, but he didn’t say go around forcing others to do it. And most Druze aren’t even Muslim anyway.

I was optimistic and still am, if he and his goons keep their sectarian and religious fanaticism to themselves.

Otherwise, they’ll end up worse than Iraq. .

Pastoralists are anti-state and anti-civilization. They’re brave and quick with the sword but just as quick to backstab each other and are unruly

In ’77, while Ali Samatar was returning with a genius plan (that even caught Soviet generals off guard) to save the remaining SNA from being encircled and wiped out, Darod generals and officers(who made up 80%+ of the SNA) were busy plotting a coup against a Darod president even before the Soviets even intervened.

That same Pastoralists Darod heavy command (thanks to Siad Barre’s totally non-clannish policies) is exactly why we lost the war.
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Damascus is playing with fire using and empowering Bedouins.

It was a hypothetical situation. Must you guys inject Somali civil war into every discussion. Now some guys will respond to you and a 100 page fkd will ensue. Tired people…..

 

[Medeea]

It was a hypothetical situation. Must you guys inject Somali civil war into every discussion. Now some guys will respond to you and a 100 page fkd will ensue. Tired people…..

I was giving you an example people can actually relate to.

In Egypt, they openly dislike and distrust Arab Bedouins. They know Bedouins are anti-state, massive backstabber and etc. Even the Gulf states have started distancing themselves.

It’s not a fkd. it’s just facts
Empower and arm Bedouins = you get Somalia.
Empower sectarians = you end up like Iraq.

Al sharaa is trying to do both. Will end up worse than either one

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

I was giving you an example people can actually relate to.

In Egypt, they openly dislike and distrust Arab Bedouins. They know Bedouins are anti-state, massive backstabber and etc. Even the Gulf states have started distancing themselves.

It’s not a fkd. it’s just facts
Empower and arm Bedouins = you get Somalia.
Empower sectarians = you end up like Iraq.

Al sharaa is trying to do both. Will end up worse than either one

Syria and shaam region in general is where major events are supposed to happen according to the hadiths I don’t think it will ever be stable for the foreseeable future

 

[Riftvalley]

I was giving you an example people can actually relate to.

In Egypt, they openly dislike and distrust Arab Bedouins. They know Bedouins are anti-state, massive backstabber and etc. Even the Gulf states have started distancing themselves.

It’s not a fkd. it’s just facts
Empower and arm Bedouins = you get Somalia.
Empower sectarians = you end up like Iraq.

Al sharaa is trying to do both. Will end up worse than either one

Dumb example. “Bedouins” were never empowered in Somalia. And there was never any mass “Bedouin” inspired violence in Somalia during Siad Bare era. Most of the militias were controlled by educated secular generals who used qabil to mobilise militias. There was actually mass urbanisation, increase in literacy rates and Somali nomads often moved to the cities to take advantage of opportunities. Somali nomads also often fled the hunger and famine-inducing policies of the Ethiopian state.

The cohesive nature of Somali nomads actually made Somalia a peaceful state for a long period of time and the nomadic people actually suffered under various conflicts between states, especially in the occupied Somali region. All of the movements and wars of Somalia were led by town/city elites, many of them were funded or educated in foreign countries. The qabil forces enlisted on mass when they felt their tribes were under threat and they witnessed atrocities. Prior to that, most of them were loyal to the state. Even in the current period, most violence in Somalia is between town and city folk. Nomads send reinforcements went the situation is dire; however, we don’t have a culture of empowering nomads to the extent they are the biggest force in Somalia. Nomads soldiers are just generally cannon fodder and most never rise to the top to lead anything.

Somali nomads aren’t actually anti state. We have numerous studies and archeology showing that nomads worked in tandem with medieval states and they were central to the caravan trade. As for the modern period, Somalis has not fallen because of anti-state nomadic practices. In fact, some of the most peaceful areas in Somalis have large nomadic bases (Isaaq, Dhulbahante, Majeerteem etc). The conflict in the urban centres is more profound and prolonged.

Somalia also didn’t lose the Ethiopian war due to “Bedouins” that is big reach lol.

last point which I made in a different thread: mobility of Somalis has been crucial to surviving the Oromo wars; made it difficult for
Ethiopian to completely annex; and, gave us a periphery to escape colonialism. If our society consisted of Towns like Harar most of our society would have been under amharas and oromos. You just have to like towns like Dire Dabe and increasingly Jigjiga to see what I mean.

Ps. Don’t read this to mean I’m in favour of people leaving as nomadic herders in the modern age. The discussion is about whether they are anti state. Those Syrian Bedouin tribes are very loyal to Sharaa gov btw.

 

[Midas]

Dumb example. “Bedouins” were never empowered in Somalia. And there was never any mass “Bedouin” inspired violence in Somalia during Siad Bare era. Most of the militias were controlled by educated secular generals who used qabil to mobilise militias. There was actually mass urbanisation, increase in literacy rates and Somali nomads often moved to the cities to take advantage of opportunities. Somali nomads also often fled the hunger and famine-inducing policies of the Ethiopian state.

The cohesive nature of Somali nomads actually made Somalia a peaceful state for a long period of time and the nomadic people actually suffered under various conflicts between states, especially in the occupied Somali region. All of the movements and wars of Somalia were led by town/city elites, many of them were funded or educated in foreign countries. The qabil forces enlisted on mass when they felt their tribes were under threat and they witnessed atrocities. Prior to that, most of them were loyal to the state. Even in the current period, most violence in Somalia is between town and city folk. Nomads send reinforcements went the situation is dire; however, we don’t have a culture of empowering nomads to the extent they are the biggest force in Somalia. Nomads soldiers are just generally cannon fodder and most never rise to the top to lead anything.

Somali nomads aren’t actually anti state. We have numerous studies and archeology showing that nomads worked in tandem with medieval states and they were central to the caravan trade. As for the modern period, Somalis has not fallen because of anti-state nomadic practices. In fact, some of the most peaceful areas in Somalis have large nomadic bases (Isaaq, Dhulbahante, Majeerteem etc). The conflict in the urban centres is more profound and prolonged.

Somalia also didn’t lose the Ethiopian war due to “Bedouins” that is big reach lol.

last point which I made in a different thread: mobility of Somalis has been crucial to surviving the Oromo wars; made it difficult for
Ethiopian to completely annex; and, gave us a periphery to escape colonialism. If our society consisted of Towns like Harar most of our society would have been under amharas and oromos. You just have to like towns like Dire Dabe and increasingly Jigjiga to see what I mean.

Ps. Don’t read this to mean I’m in favour of people leaving as nomadic herders in the modern age. The discussion is about whether they are anti state. Those Syrian Bedouin tribes are very loyal to Sharaa gov btw.

Somalia geeljire and arab bedouins aren't really comparable. In somalia everybody is part of the clan system and everybody is connected. The idea of some independent actor doesnt make any sense in the somali system. Versus These arab Bedouin who function as hundreds of small autonomous groups each lead by an independent sheikh.

For all the comparisons we make between somali clans and arab clans. The fundamental underlying social organization is completely different.

 

[Riftvalley]

Somalia geeljire and arab bedouins aren't really comparable. In somalia everybody is part of the clan system and everybody is connected. The idea of some independent actor doesnt make any sense in the somali system. Versus These arab Bedouin who function as hundreds of small autonomous groups each lead by an independent sheikh.

For all the comparisons we make between somali clans and arab clans. The fundamental underlying social organization is completely different.

Yes, many educated Somali elites/leaders of the 20th century were themselves born in the baadiya. It is not some fixed system or a social class which is what it seems like in aspects of the Arab culture. Nomads were also part and parcel of sultanates like the majerteen, Geledi and so forth. They even set up qadis in interiors to judge between the clans. They were never completely non state actors. Somali cities themselves were ruled by tribal elders who were part of the clans in the interior.