Swahili coast genetic study shows their was no arab
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Where can we read the whole thing?
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Somali_patriotic
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He made a mistake by saying 18th century but whatsoever his original point that arabians are new-comers is true
What you sent even supports that
Arabs came after 16th century, that's around the same time when Omanis came
Peoples of African and Asian origins began to mix by about AD 1000, coinciding with the large-scale adoption of Islam. Before about AD 1500, the Southwest Asian ancestry was mainly Persian-related, consistent with the narrative of the Kilwa Chronicle, the oldest history told by people of the Swahili coast3. After this time, the sources of DNA became increasingly Arabian, consistent with evidence of growing interactions with southern Arabia4.
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The paternal side is Arab while the maternal side is African
This is the primary reason I completely reject the possibility of South Sudan ever adopting Swahili
How’s he lying ?. The study literally says most of the south west Asian DNA before 1500 A.D which is 16th century was only Persian & Indian. Then Arabs come in with 1 grave in early 1600 than the rest are mostly 1700s which is 18th century thats when Arabs swarmed east Africa & Omanis also started to rule Swahili coast in 18th century as well so this study shows Arabs never live or contributed to Swahili coast throughout it’s history their new comers. Indian had more contributions to Swahili coast than Arabs study shows Indians intermixed with the rulers and were present since the 1200s. Check out the genetic grave chart & the timeline made in the study both correlate with what he said
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Arabs were on the coast since the days of Greco Romans of antiquity. This is the periplus in English. Go to Rhapta.
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What proves that Rhapta is actually swahili coast?
It doesn't make sense tbh, it could be socotra which i really think it was
At the time only like romans had a great navy to invade far lands
Hell even aksum who was stronger than himyar didn't have good boats to cross their troops to arabia
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Mass scale of Arabians happend from the 16th century onwards. It doesn’t mean Arabs were not present before. It just means Persians were the main source and the bulk of the immigrants. Arabs were there since Himyarite days albeit in small numbers. You have Pemba tribes men in Zimbabwe with old south Arabian Semitic roots confirmed by DNA
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Rhapta predates Swahili Islamic culture. It’s a coastal settlements dating back to antiquity. Greco-Romans used to visit it. It was further down the coast from Xafuun known as Opone.
What about the southern Somali coast
Himyar's argument did not work here
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No evidence in southern Somali coast. But there is evidence further down the coast of Tanzania of Himyarite merchants. The Greco Roman author states that these Arabs knew the entire coast and used to mingle with the natives of this region and knew their language
you didn’t contribute positively to the thread, with data, books etc.
Arabs controlled a coastal region in East Africa called Azania, which extended from southern Somalia to Tanzania (Rhapta). The coastal region of Azania, which included Mogadishu, Marka, and Barawa, was subject to Amir Sharahbil Ya’fir ibn As’ad Abu Karib. Please read the source below.
The Somali coast has certainly had ties of dependency with Arabia since very early times. Classical references include Herodotus, who makes mention in the 4th century B.C. of temporary settlements established down the East African coast by Phoenicians; and Agatharkhides, a Greek geographer living in Alexandria in the days of Ptolemy Philometer, tells us in 150 B.C.5 that the first permanent colonisers were the Sabeans from Southern Arabia, whom he describes as being strong, warlike and expert seamen.
They possess large ships and sail to the land of the aromatic products where they found colonies.... It is they who provide the Phoenicians with an endless variety of merchandise and prodigous profits.
Some two hundred years later the importanc "Periplus of the Erythraean Sea"" was written in Greek by an unknown Alexandrian merchant. It is a kind of geo- graphical and mercantile guide to the Red Sea, the East African and Arabian coasts. Part of paragraph 16, referring to the Somali coast, records:
The inhabitants of this coast, men of huge stature, are given to piracy; they live each in their own district, their own masters. In accordance with some ancient right, this district is subject to the sovereignty of the state that becomes most powerful in Arabia, and so is now ruled by the Mapharitic chieftain. From the king it is held tributary by the people of Muza who send there many ships with Arab captains and agents who enjoy the friendship of the natives, intermarry with them and thus become familiar with the coast and its language.
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No sources as usual
Please stop disregarding academic sources. I already stated my sources.No sources as usual
4. Herodotus, Book IV, p. 42.
5. R. Reusch, History of East Africa (New York, 1961), p. 45. 6. The ancient description of the Somali coast; cinnamon and incense are still widely produced around Cape Guardafui.
7. The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, from the translation of Dr. J. L. Whiteley quoted in Zoe Marsh, East Africa through Contemporary Records (Cambridge, 1961).
8. Probably present-day Mocha, in Yemen. 9. Sir L. Mallet of the India Office (writing incidently on behalf of Lord Salisbury who was then
Secretary of State for India) to the Foreign Office, Sept. 25, 1874. (F.O. 78/3187).
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No proof of Himyarite or Arab settling in the Banaadir coats pre Islamic times.
