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[Removed]

What is your opinion on the current political divide. I take it usually most people from these south-central(Non-JL) regions are pro-central government.

I am mostly curious on your opinion in regards to the handpicking of State leaders. I understand that QoorQoor found public support would they have a problem if next term a new President were to be picked for them again? We see how Hirshabelle turned out but the jury is out on how KG feels about that situation.

@Balaayo @Mckenzie @GemState @Galmudug-State @Jetlife @Kheyre @kobe @Ronaldinho you guys are usually quiet on this matter tell us what idea you get from your communities.

 

[DR OSMAN]

What is your opinion on the current political divide. I take it usually most people from these south-central(Non-JL) regions are pro-central government.

I am mostly curious on your opinion in regards to the handpicking of State leaders. I understand that QoorQoor found public support would they have a problem if next term a new President were to be picked for them again? We see how Hirshabelle turned out but the jury is out on how KG feels about that situation.

@Balaayo @Mckenzie @GemState @Galmudug-State @Jetlife @Kheyre @kobe @Ronaldinho you guys are usually quiet on this matter tell us what idea you get from your communities.

The centralist are federalist with a central twist preferring the banadir model rolled out nation wide vs PL/JL preferring the PL model. The PL/JL camp are now being pushed to discuss confederation as concentrated power isn't something we will tolerate post civil war somalia, even america after it's war and various independences and till today have this huge divide on federal states right(republicans) vs centralized federal rights(democrats) and Somalis will also arguing for banadir model against the pl model with both camps swinging most likely to an even 'further' divide of mj/ogs going into confederation model discussion and the center going into a more centeralized flavor maybe even with military tone too it like siyad as they have shown to do that a number of times in JL, which wat baffles mj/ogs as we point to the little power u do have your already tyrannical and u want us to add u more power, like these ppl are sometimes xoolo niyahow. Just the little power they have now with foreign affairs u see the complete abuse and tyranny and their control of army but luckily we have our own armies in PL/JL. Imagine we handed them all our state rights kkkkk of security-currency-interfering in our elections and making us banadir governor, sxb dadkani inaad la farisato after showing them 'cadayn' wa waqti dhumis in laga tashdo oo waqtiga si dheeran weeye

Notice the incompetence of Farmajo his for state rights in america and republican but his all of sudden a centralist in somalia, clear qabil and not grounded in philosophy of either system. How is he federalist in america and supporting republicans and in somalia a banadir model supporter, the guy has no political knowledge at all, his a very 'average' class of dude not knowing the ideas behind the two philosophies of decentralization and separation of powers being the main reason so it doesnt lead to corruption/tyranny when power is to contained into the center

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Removed the reason they can't respond is there is no 'evidence' to support their centralized federalism will work and they don't want to show u their qabiil agenda either like farmajo who is a federalist in america but a centralist in somalia, showing u what guides him is qabil neceb not so much the 'philosophies'. For example if mj/og were centralist and we controlled hamar, he wud cry 'im federalist' so ninku ma aha niin qadiyad leh sxb, waa nin qabyalad lafaha ka gashay keliya oo uusan wadankani mustaqbalkeeda uu naxaynin except his 'sade' agenda.

Inu xitaa meesha burburiyo ayaa laga yaaba as he has track record in all somalia 'failed state' histories the person responsible for the collapse is always sade or he was at the helm of leadership like adal n nur mujahid with the oromo taking over and who own it now, somalia they sent us into refugee camps worldwide and the hordes in somalia just like harar took over the nation for 30 years with warlordism, terrorism, and any anti state philosophy they cud find. They may make it a third time strike with Farmajo as we go into pre 91 stateless vacuum, I always fear when their in power cause nothing positive follows beyond a state collapse or other groups of ppl invading somalia due to their incompetence yet they argue their nationalist and shit, if u were step away from power, u r not suited towards it, their is plenty of evidence everytime u come to power, state collapse follows with hordes hatin darod or hordes in oromo hating muslims

 

[Mehmet]

The centralist are federalist with a central twist preferring the banadir model rolled out nation wide vs PL/JL preferring the PL model. The PL/JL camp are now being pushed to discuss confederation as concentrated power isn't something we will tolerate post civil war somalia, even america after it's war and various independences and till today have this huge divide on federal states right(republicans) vs centralized federal rights(democrats) and Somalis will also arguing for banadir model against the pl model with both camps swinging most likely to an even 'further' divide of mj/ogs going into confederation model discussion and the center going into a more centeralized flavor maybe even with military tone too it like siyad as they have shown to do that a number of times in JL, which wat baffles mj/ogs as we point to the little power u do have your already tyrannical and u want us to add u more power, like these ppl are sometimes xoolo niyahow. Just the little power they have now with foreign affairs u see the complete abuse and tyranny and their control of army but luckily we have our own armies in PL/JL. Imagine we handed them all our state rights kkkkk of security-currency-interfering in our elections and making us banadir governor, sxb dadkani inaad la farisato after showing them 'cadayn' wa waqti dhumis in laga tashdo oo waqtiga si dheeran weeye

Notice the incompetence of Farmajo his for state rights in america and republican but his all of sudden a centralist in somalia, clear qabil and not grounded in philosophy of either system. How is he federalist in america and supporting republicans and in somalia a banadir model supporter, the guy has no political knowledge at all, his a very 'average' class of dude not knowing the ideas behind the two philosophies of decentralization and separation of powers being the main reason so it doesnt lead to corruption/tyranny when power is to contained into the center

Simply say to ic that he is not our president and we are in charge of our own affairs and security

 

[DR OSMAN]

Simply say to ic that he is not our president and we are in charge of our own affairs and security

But the IC also have demands they are not interested in long-drawn out political instability as it can lead to them pulling out and Somalia removed from the world stage as 'irreconcilable difference' and then we all go back into 91 sxb and the hordes win as they go back into horde lifestyle n moryanimo and that pre-history culture of theirs kkkkk.

The UN is fed up that we are operating in situation for 8 years of stalemate and only doing humanitarian shit like ngo-charities-and keeping the govt afloat, this isn't their goals niyahow they want clear cut timetables when constitution-federation are settled and not dragging it out into another 20 years of just being stuck in this govt phase of humanitarianism.

That dastur in loo faristo weeye banadir model supporters vs PL model supporters and settle the key areas left of revenue sharing, power sharing, security sharing, currency sharing, the role of mogadishu cuz it's in a vacuum and tied to villa somalia just like the other federal emerging regions are. Maybe we need two system one nation shit where the centralist who support it can live with it themelves and pl/jl are like hong kong and totally autonomous and have nation state powers and ceremonially involved in somalia while the other states get what they want also and can be governed thru villa somalia, in lays qasbo ma aha, sometimes we need hybrid system not unilateral system. Watch their qabiil hatred spew now kkkkk even if u say to them adigu waxad jeceshahay iguma rogaysid anigu waxan rabi kuguma rogayo aana samaysano hybrid system they will still argue and UN is like time is ticking before we pull the plug on this shit fest. A-lot of ppl believe there is shady characters in hamar who are doing this intentionally to drag it out so the western world pulls out and we all go back into 'fowdo' so the terrorists groups can come into the country as qatar is very suspect of that n egypt where hag is strong friends with always nations outside the world order

 

[Mehmet]

But the IC also have demands they are not interested in long-drawn out political instability as it can lead to them pulling out and Somalia removed from the world stage as 'irreconcilable difference' and then we all go back into 91 sxb and the hordes win as they go back into horde lifestyle n moryanimo and that pre-history culture of theirs kkkkk.

The UN is fed up that we are operating in situation for 8 years of stalemate and only doing humanitarian shit like ngo-charities-and keeping the govt afloat, this isn't their goals niyahow they want clear cut timetables when constitution-federation are settled and not dragging it out into another 20 years of just being stuck in this govt phase of humanitarianism.

That dastur in loo faristo weeye banadir model supporters vs PL model supporters and settle the key areas left of revenue sharing, power sharing, security sharing, currency sharing, the role of mogadishu cuz it's in a vacuum and tied to villa somalia just like the other federal emerging regions are. Maybe we need two system one nation shit where the centralist who support it can live with it themelves and pl/jl are like hong kong and totally autonomous and have nation state powers and ceremonially involved in somalia while the other states get what they want also and can be governed thru villa somalia, in lays qasbo ma aha, sometimes we need hybrid system not unilateral system. Watch their qabiil hatred spew now kkkkk even if u say to them adigu waxad jeceshahay iguma rogaysid anigu waxan rabi kuguma rogayo aana samaysano hybrid system they will still argue and UN is like time is ticking before we pull the plug on this shit fest. A-lot of ppl believe there is shady characters in hamar who are doing this intentionally to drag it out so the western world pulls out and we all go back into 'fowdo' so the terrorists groups can come into the country as qatar is very suspect of that n egypt where hag is strong friends with always nations outside the world order

The un admitted that it was their fault by james swan the clown plus qatar and cairo will be dropped by the west if they support criminals as only somalia matters most in the whole region

 

[GemState]

What is your opinion on the current political divide. I take it usually most people from these south-central(Non-JL) regions are pro-central government.

I am mostly curious on your opinion in regards to the handpicking of State leaders. I understand that QoorQoor found public support would they have a problem if next term a new President were to be picked for them again? We see how Hirshabelle turned out but the jury is out on how KG feels about that situation.

@Balaayo @Mckenzie @GemState @Galmudug-State @Jetlife @Kheyre @kobe @Ronaldinho you guys are usually quiet on this matter tell us what idea you get from your communities.

Since we have adopted federalism it needs to be earnestly implemented, the central gov should not be wasting money and manpower trying to change the outcome of federal elections when Shabaab is at large, but at the same time, federal-state leaders should be earnestly working with the central government.

However, I can somewhat understand why the central government feels the need to handpick federal leaders, it's to not repeat something like this happening. Somalia doesn't have a clear divide of power, there is nowhere on earth that a state gov can block a federal army from entering its territory except in Somalia. Strengthening federalism in Somalia is the only viable way forward imo

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Mehmet Listen to this and u will cry about somalia future

 

[Abu Hesi]

@Mehmet Listen to this and u will cry about somalia future

War ninka aan dhageysano lkn who is he? Is he credible? mise was retired fadhi kudirir political analyst.

 

[Mehmet]

@Mehmet Listen to this and u will cry about somalia future

I was watching a documentary on how they ruined the congo by supporting rebels in the 1960s which proves that colonialism,foreign interference ruined africa

 

[Mehmet]

@Mehmet Listen to this and u will cry about somalia future

To this did i wonder why youths went to those countries for as it will never make sense

 

[Mehmet]

@Mehmet Listen to this and u will cry about somalia future

We got standards on how to behave as many of us were not raised on haram food or property unlike them to be honest

 

[Mehmet]

@Mehmet Listen to this and u will cry about somalia future

Dark ages is right as we are still waiting on them to act right

 

[Mehmet]

War ninka aan dhageysano lkn who is he? Is he credible? mise was retired fadhi kudirir political analyst.

He makes so much sense as the truth is right infront of us

 

[Abu Hesi]

He makes so much sense as the truth is right infront of us

Man I was in 7min all good but I ain't tryna listen all that if he ain't creditable.

 

[Mehmet]

Man I was in 7min all good but I ain't tryna listen all that if he ain't creditable.

All i know is that he hit key points including that centralism will be a diaster and not workable in this modern age

 

[Mckenzie]

I don't like calling regional leaders "President". I don't know any country that does this. Governor would be more suitable.

Picking leaders is anti federal by definition because it blocks out competitors who can win that seat through getting the local MPs on their side.

On the flip side this rapprochement is needed, election history outside of Somaliland and Puntland has been controversial, esp in GM where we've announced two Presidents at one time. So i see the national government as a 'neutral'.

Better to create links with Mogadishu to help with projects and get federal assistance than have your own mini dictator who challenges the government and does what he likes unchecked in his own land.

 

[Waaqmasho]

I don't like calling regional leaders "President". I don't know any country that does this. Governor would be more suitable.

Picking leaders is anti federal by definition because it blocks out competitors who can win that seat through getting the local MPs on their side.

On the flip side this rapprochement is needed, election history outside of Somaliland and Puntland has been controversial, esp in GM where we've announced two Presidents at one time. So i see the national government as a 'neutral'.

Better to create links with Mogadishu to help with projects and get federal assistance than have your own mini dictator who challenges the government and does what he likes unchecked in his own land.

So you guys also had your own mini dictator like madoobe?

 

[DR OSMAN]

I don't like calling regional leaders "President". I don't know any country that does this. Governor would be more suitable.

Picking leaders is anti federal by definition because it blocks out competitors who can win that seat through getting the local MPs on their side.

On the flip side this rapprochement is needed, election history outside of Somaliland and Puntland has been controversial, esp in GM where we've announced two Presidents at one time. So i see the national government as a 'neutral'.

Better to create links with Mogadishu to help with projects and get federal assistance than have your own mini dictator who challenges the government and does what he likes unchecked in his own land.

We know you have sick heart and read 'hag gospel' to mature a southern hawiye alliance, we know u work with ogaden on the famous 'ogaden wa sacad' meaning your trojan horse buffer into 'majerteniya' as u form alliances with @Farjano-Walad and remove majerteniya from the map and into the sea. We know u set up 'strategem' points into 'sool' with 'fiqishini' trojan horse as u know dhulbahante miir gabo kkkk as u followed sayid philosophy and siyad barre did also to use them on majerteniya and u got fiqishini well established as trojan to work inside dhulbahante circles to ensure anti majerten outcome like isaaq does all following in the 'sayid' philosophy who started that shit for which majerten shall never forgive and was one of the main factors for pushing into our crown territories of today in wardher and bokh with mj/dhulos sending a message to OGS, game over for all that blood shed u did with dhulbahante muscle and cause majerteniya n dhulbahante to have one of the most vicious wars in somali documented history as their have been undocumented vicious wars but that one hit the damn new york post and was consider world war shit level conflict, we haven't had a war like that ever since and the other wars have been very minimal in comparison and not on majerteniya soil besides the usc debacle in galkayo, but that war was deep inside majerteniya nugaal was captured, bari was up for grabs with dhulos flanks deep into 'fortresses' laid in the sultante territory and this was 'proper majerteniya' not 'hobyo' either and they came to 'doodo fortress' and my awoowe was one of the famous cavalry men known as 'boqolki duudo, boqol loo waa', it was a famous dhulbahante and osman mahmoud 100 man show down between the various flanks and it ended in 100 deaths on both sides and this wasn't that 'i eat babies shit barbarian cawaan shit or killing women or hiding in xafadaha hamar or galkayo' but a real war between two kingdoms and armies. They wanted to sack majerteniya 'at bargal' and we had to stop them at duudow before they reach bayla and close that sea line and use it as arms supply and push deep into qardho, isku shuban and finally 'baargaal' where our esteemed boqor and aristocracy lived. This has never happened in majerteniya history other then 'warsangeli' war 200 year prior called 'duubya xiir' the 'chain war' it was a vicious chain to chain war on legs so noone can move on either side or flee

My awoowe horse was called 'toosane' as it was known to 'gather the uniti nto different flanks of protection of our commanders while also estimating weak point of the enemy flank. Hg has never seen a 'war' niyahow you guys r true es to HARTI, we were real warriors aduunka hustay in futuh al habash even this sade soldiers were considered 'weak and cowardly' in world documents at the time, they run around with british confirmation only but not REAL SULTANATE CONFIRMATION like ADAL. All hartis are brutal warriors, MJ n Warsan are the ones who civilized due to the age of scramble ending and re-adjusting to the new world order, but we can still hang niyahow anytime anywhere style to defend majerteniya and makhir at all cost as HABAR MAJERTEN ARE IMPENETRABLE, we ride n die and when we conquer we bring all harti to share and tell sade n absame to piss off as they didn't contribute, even dhulos who doesn't contribute on harti wars even if he is an opposition we still invite him as 'wax la qalday' again cause do u ssee absame splitting on ogaden and jidwaaq and then majerten having commander in jidwaq to attack ogaden, why wud u guys allow such a thing baffles me and then u did it for siyad barre and now isaaq, wat sayid said was right about them 'miyir ma gabane' if habar majerten disappear, their going to treat u like a minority u dumb c*nt never attack your harti alliance at security level, political level do whatever u want but not 'security' as that is ancient pact of harti as a whole

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Mckenzie marki waqti dagaal aduunka ku jiro u nowhere to be seen is when military is used as answers like colonial scramble, borders opening up, world order non existent, that's when u strike not when there is world order, borders closed, superpower installed, u just turn into a little hit n run idiot ppl make money off thru war economy as there no way u changing the world order super powers to create another race or scramble and when u do, your always the one hiding in miyiga saying 'war anigu waan iska daaqaya' kkkkkk ima 'quseeyo' cause that's when real niggas come out cause their is 'objectives' behind the war like land control or expansion or stopping alliances in the global order from setting u trojans near you, and u will hide out like clown then.

We know u only fight women/children and in xafadaha and look at u as moryan not a soldier as u need sultanaate n culture to have a standing army and strategies and battle experience thru history. So stop it with your HG is brave shit, HG hides out in real wars, even in futuh al habash u were just 1000 soldiers that were not 'decorated' or considered anything special but just like the foot soldiers of shabab that noone considers really worthy army, u were like that even in futuh al habash when hirab is mentioned