South Sudanese model married for 252 cows and 50 sheep

[Taintedlove]

Most of the women (even in the West) see it as normal, admirable or re-affirmations of their worth; and the taller, prettier the girl... the higher the dowry

I've broached the idea (to women) that we should do away with the whole bloody thing, only to be met by protestations about not wanting leave for another family for free

It will only disappear once we develop and modernise

They are probably very conservative or want the benefit of the dowry system without thinking about the implications.

 

[Nilotic]

They are probably very conservative or want the benefit of the dowry system without thinking about the implications.

Most of them support it because it ensures that their families will have the wealth to also marry; and they regard the notion of being 'given' to another family (without a dowry) as an anathema.

The dangers and implications are clear to them, however, the cultural pride associated with being married off for 100+ cows overrides this.

Due to the fact that Nilotes routinely marry as many as 5 wives... the families that result under each woman is then given a title bearing her name; the prospect of having descendants bearing your matriarchal name for 4 generations thereafter (the house of Nyankiir) is an attractive one for Nilotic women.

When my family go to family gatherings, we are addressed by our matriarchal name -- the house of the woman that lived 4 generations ago.

In Dinka-Nuer culture, the taller the woman, the higher the dowry; which is why I was perplexed when some of the Dinka-Nuer guys here in Australia started marrying short Asian women.



Soy bunnies can be cute, but I'm a true Nilote (with vanity regard for height) so that's a no for me

 

[wonyluvr]

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This is madness; this is getting out of hand -- and what's worse is that she got married off to some old man

She’s so pretty

 

[Garaad Awal]

Oh a bit similar to somalis, the reason why somalis converted so easily to islam and quickly compared to other regions was because somalis believed in a monothestic God already

Christianity already existed in Northern parts of Somaliweyn especially Central & Western SL. I think the narrative that all of Somaliweyn (very large area) were all waaq pagans during the advent of Islam isn’t true. At least in SL’s case it seemed more diverse. Most of the MENA region except anything East of Iraq was either Christian or Jewish by the time of Abu Bakr’s Caliphate and today are almost entirely Muslim.

 

[Aggravated_Quful]

Most of them support it because it ensures that their families will have the wealth to also marry; and they regard the notion of being 'given' to another family (without a dowry) as an anathema.

The dangers and implications are clear to them, however, the cultural pride associated with being married off for 100+ cows overrides this.

Due to the fact that Nilotes routinely marry as many as 5 wives... the families that result under each woman is then given a title bearing her name; the prospect of having descendants bearing your matriarchal name for 4 generations thereafter (the house of Nyankiir) is an attractive one for Nilotic women.

When my family go to family gatherings, we are addressed by our matriarchal name -- the house of the woman that lived 4 generations ago.

In Dinka-Nuer culture, the taller the woman, the higher the dowry; which is why I was perplexed when some of the Dinka-Nuer guys here in Australia started marrying short Asian women.



Soy bunnies can be cute, but I'm a true Nilote (with vanity regard for height) so that's a no for me

In somalia men who marry four women or marry a lot of women throughout their lifetime, the children resulting from those unions are not given the name of the mother but her clan.

 

[Nilotic]

In somalia men who marry four women or marry a lot of women throughout their lifetime, the children resulting from those unions are not given the name of the mother but her clan.

We are also patriarchal and take on the names of our forefathers, however, when we descend from one man that had multiple wives... some differentiation is required -- hence the need to address the descendants of each family by the name of the matriarchal ancestor.

The 'last' names remain patriarchal; while being addressed by the name of your matriarchal ancestor is just convenient due to the branches that result in polygamous marriages

 

[Abdisamad]

Yeah, but it better not be used to increase the already inflated dowry; this is creating resentment toward the adeers that are marrying beautiful young women

Let the adeero eat, after all they've been hustling all them years to get rich enough to marry a young model, you might get that level some day if you hustle hard enough

 

[Unicorn]

Her life?

All those cows will be given to her parents, grandparents and brothers

This isn't as enlightened as the Islamic mehr system

Her name is Arual Cyer Mayar Cyerdit -- a model

Omg noo. Thts so sad. I thought the bride keeps it.

 

[Nilotic]

Omg noo. Thts so sad. I thought the bride keeps it.

Yeah, it's not a good outcome for the women; it's why families are happier when they have a lot of daughters

My grandfather only had one brother from the household of his mother, so he and his brother became wealthy when their six sisters got married. My great-grandfather (their father) had other sons, however, they were under the households of their own mothers.

Damn the Sudanese wars... I would be as rich as a Prince if not for that nonsense

 

[Unicorn]

Most of them support it because it ensures that their families will have the wealth to also marry; and they regard the notion of being 'given' to another family (without a dowry) as an anathema.

The dangers and implications are clear to them, however, the cultural pride associated with being married off for 100+ cows overrides this.

Due to the fact that Nilotes routinely marry as many as 5 wives... the families that result under each woman is then given a title bearing her name; the prospect of having descendants bearing your matriarchal name for 4 generations thereafter (the house of Nyankiir) is an attractive one for Nilotic women.

When my family go to family gatherings, we are addressed by our matriarchal name -- the house of the woman that lived 4 generations ago.

In Dinka-Nuer culture, the taller the woman, the higher the dowry; which is why I was perplexed when some of the Dinka-Nuer guys here in Australia started marrying short Asian women.



Soy bunnies can be cute, but I'm a true Nilote (with vanity regard for height) so that's a no for me

Wow the matriarchal name.being passed down is so nice. We dont have tht type of system. The mothers names are forgotten by time.

 

[The alchemist]

We are also patriarchal and take on the names of our forefathers, however, when we descend from one man that had multiple wives... some differentiation is required -- hence the need to address the descendants of each family by the name of the matriarchal ancestor.

The 'last' names remain patriarchal; while being addressed by the name of your matriarchal ancestor is just convenient due to the branches that result in polygamous marriages

The guy you responded to made an error. We don't take on the mother's clan, it merely serves as a name for intra-sub-clan merger. None of those guys take on the mother's clan, but mention her clan as an addition to the clan they belong to for the realities of the standing of the clan. Basically they do it to establish precedence as a supplementary line on their father's clan to distinguish themselves and form a respective uterine estate that tries to distinguish itself from their ancestral uncle descendants that have different mothers but different wealth, territory, conflicting interests, etc.

This is an example:

"An example from the ‘Ali Geri primary lineage ofthe Dulbahante clan may serve to illustrate this. This lineage is segmented as shown and had (in 1956) a male population of approximately 2,800. It will be seen that the lineage is divided in the generation of ‘Ali Geri’s sons into three uterine groups, the Bah Helaawe, Bah Helaan, and Bah Ogaadeen. The Bah Helaawe and Bah Helaan are the successive issue of‘Ali Geri’s marriage to two sisters, both daughters of Lagmadoobe of the Bartirre clan. After the death of the first, ‘Ali Geri took her sister Helaan in soro' ratic marriage. These two uterine groups are joined together as the Bah Lagmadoobe and form one dia'paying group. The remaining three lin' eages, the Hirsi, Subaan,35 and Shoowe ‘Ali Geri, each of which is an independent dia'paying group, derive from ‘Ali Geri’s three sons by a woman of the Ogaadeen clan and are grouped together in opposition to the Bah Lagmadoobe as the Bah Ogaadeen, which, though divided (in 1956) into three separate dia'paying groups, a few years earlier had been a single dia'paying group."

They never adopt the clan of their mothers at all. Merely mentioning the clan she belongs to signifies more shared uterine relations by the clan progenitor and mother in polygamous relations, where other mothers give rise to children that form distinct agnatic descent groups.

This is actually not a matriarchy, the least. During the mother's life, she lived as a wife, she did not establish a clan at all. And in the "bah" grouping, only her patrilineal clan is mentioned, and neither is her clan taken on, as her male descendants only claim patrilineal descent and clan relations with the patriarch, i.e., the husband.

The Bah Helan who descend from Guuled, Warfaa and Buuraaleh (three sons of Ali Geri), don't say we descend from the Helaan clan. They say Bah Helaan is Ali Geri. "Bah" here is an asterisk that is important. Be Helaan clan doesn't claim the actual Helaan clan, nor does the Helaan clan claim Bah Helaan. And you see, more Bah were created later, long after those mothers were gone, meaning it is a political arrangement.

This is a contractual alliance based on lineage coalition that is strictly patrilineal, a very common thing in clans and tribes in patriarchal systems, especially among groups that belong to pastoralist ideology, where territory, wealth, and power are significant for survival.

So it is indeed similar to how you described the Dinka do it.

 

[ciyaalka xaafada100]

each cow costs around 2k dollars. 2000 x 252 = 504,000 dollars. Each sheep costs around 700 dollars. 700 x 50 = 35,000.

35,000 + 504,000 = 539,000 dollars

If she sells them all quick cash

Edit: Sells them before her parents and brothers take it all****
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in somalia sheep cost like 70 bucks and the cow cost like 200 bucks
200x252+50x70=53900 not bad