Dude qabil is abtiris, it has nothing to do with turning a once prosperous country into into a 4th world shithole, it's greed and lack of accountability, just follow the money and you'll see where the real cancer lies.
Somalis need a cultural revolution
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Dude qabil is abtiris, it has nothing to do with turning a once prosperous country into into a 4th world shithole, it's greed and lack of accountability, just follow the money and you'll see where the real cancer lies.
I could have asked you the same thing when you said tribalism has nothing to do with it. You didn't provide evidence. Why does it all of a sudden matter? Anyway, the incompetent and illiterate political leaders you're complaining about didn't find themselves in the chairs by accident. They were put in there by tribalism. Non-tribalistic Somalis who try to go back and change things always fail because (a) they're judged on the name of their tribe rather than the content of their ideas, and (b) their own tribes obstruct them as they are seen as someone advancing a more general interest than the very specific interests of the said tribe. Every politician is after his clan's interests for this reason.
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Where do you think the money goes? Politicians divide it amongst themselves then each politician gives a cut to the elders from his tribes for their support. Those who fail to do this because they are clean/honest lose their seat or position, and get replaced with a corrupt one by the tribe elders and other corrupt politicians from the tribe.
You're looking at bread crums think outside the box mate, it's not hard to biuld a effective govt, but we're stuck with thee stouches that serve others.
You're naive and pretty ignorant of the reality in Somalia. Go to Somalia and see it for yourself - failing that, read books about Somali politics and inform yourself. Usually people who say 'tribalism is not the issue' tend to be staunch tribalists with deep denial as defence mechanism.
lol Iam a big time qabilist, but that doesn't mean I have anything against anyone nor do I wish them harm matter fact I support them, but apti don't come to me with this anti qabil bullshit.
Ps anti qabil means anti federalism
We just need a society based on meritocracy.
In other words bring on capitalism
The cream will rise to the top and clans will lose influence over time.
Who would you be more likely to listen to: your senile clan elders or your boss who you rely on for your retirement pot?
We don't have a rigid culture since over 80% of our population are under 30 so we have a lot of flexibility to change the zeitgeist.
Of course we'll need competent leaders...
Build a wall around Somalia, let all the clans duke it out till their is one left, we might have a population of ten people afterwards but atleast no more clan bickering, am i right guys?
The guy who owned half the slaves in Mount Vernon? The best American president was James Buchanan. Americans don't like him because he's a counterexample to the notion that the horrid morality of glorified slave-owners like Washington were just victims/products of their time.
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Re-organising Somali society into one that is based on gobolnimo & a class system will definitely be a huge task, but if ever accomplished it will probably be the greatest achievement for Somalis. Insha'allah we all live to see the day when all Somalis are loyal to family & nation/state.
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From my knowledge, the literacy rate in Somalia is currently at 25 percent, if literacy rates rise, it would provide them the ability to read the ideas of well minded, educated intellectual works. This would make it easier for true social reform to take place (we are trying to achieve what the West did in 100s of years in only decades).
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Morals were different back then. Somalis used to own Oromo slaves at the same time.
I mentioned Washington because of his unique historical role of being the "formal" founder of a nation of people.
We don't need to start from scratch.
If Somalis were taught how to read and understand English; we could start to build our own ideas from other works around the world.
If we stick to only Somali then it'll take decades to have enough ideas in circulation from Somali authors to start having these conversations.
Von
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The real question is how do we begin such as a reformation, do we start Somali reading classes and we translate texts and provide them to the populous/ write our own books on various topics. Do you have any ideas on how we can get the ball rolling?
I don't think Somalis are up to learning English on mass, it would be best if it was done in Somalis, The Arabs translated Greek and Persian texts into Arabic, this allowed the Arabs to flourish into the Golden Age of Islam.
The real question is how do we begin such as a reformation, do we start Somali reading classes and we translate texts and provide them to the populous/ write our own books on various topics. Do you have any ideas on how we can get the ball rolling?
We need to completely eradicate all traces of Somali culture and start again.
Sure there are some positive things but the state of our country tells us that something within our culture is fundamentally wrong.
We should look to other, more prosperous nations as models of culture and development.
Somalis always talk about remebering our history and ancestors, but what good is a supposed glorious history when our people are starving and dying? When our country is consistently ranked as the worst country in the world?
We need to fix this shit by starting all over again. That's what the Chinese and the Westerners did.
Sure there are some positive things but the state of our country tells us that something within our culture is fundamentally wrong.
We should look to other, more prosperous nations as models of culture and development.
Somalis always talk about remebering our history and ancestors, but what good is a supposed glorious history when our people are starving and dying? When our country is consistently ranked as the worst country in the world?
We need to fix this shit by starting all over again. That's what the Chinese and the Westerners did.
Translating works can only get you so far.
Ideas are spread and digested through conversations and Somalis need to have those discussions with others around the world before they can have it between themselves.
Compare it to dank memes around the world. The west has it's own set and countries like Brazil & Turkey have their own as well.
They usually don't spread cross border. There is a lot more to ideas than just the words or pictures.
I wish I did but unfortunately there are too many variables involved to come up with the most viable plan to get this organized.
Usually these things happen organically for the most part. Even national socialism was in the works since the German unification started decades before it.
If the government had full control over the country; one of the things they could do is to control all media that gets released on tv, radio and even the internet.
Might be difficult (& 1984 level authoritarian) but it's possible and it would let the gov have some leverage in pushing Somalia's culture or national dialogues in a particular direction.
You don't censor opinions but instead amplify the ones you want until you end up with a new proto zeitgeist or lessons on what doesn't work.
Of course not any willy-nilly politicians could pull this off behind the scenes.... you need a think tank like the Rand corporation with some smart Somali sociopaths planning all this.
Thousands of Somali's died from recent droughts and you want to teach them English? 
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