Somali's GDP per Capita is false

[Idilinaa]

Speaking of healthcare, look at what Ibrahim Traore did to give rural populations access to healthcare

https://x.com/CapitaineIb226/status/1816460280458600874

10 trucks per state would be a very good start and would improve healthcare immensely. This is basically the third world's ambulance.

They have done this in many parts of Somalia actually

Somalia’s Ministry of Health Boosts Healthcare in Hiiraan with New Emergency Vehicles - Mustaqbal Media

The Ministry of Health and Social Care of the Federal Government of Somalia has handed over three new emergency vehicles to the Health Administration of Hiiraan Region. These vehicles reportedly purchased through the Damal Caafimaad project and facilitated by Save the Children, are aimed at...

mustaqbalmedia.net

Same in some parts of Somaliland

Amoud and Tima’Adde Universities Recieve Full Mobile Medical Service Vehicles – Somaliland MInistry Of Health

somalilandmohd.com

But you are right they need to roll out stuff like this in more places if they haven't done this already.

Speak for yourself warya. Just because your Reer in Koonfur are among the 18% displaced by drought and shabab doesn't mean the whole country shares that same experience.

People moving to urban centers for better opportunities is a sign of progress and happens all around the world, China is the best example.

They want to make environmental disasters displacement the defining image of Somalia, apparently. People being displaced by floods isn't tied to how Somalia's economy functions.

Just like the example above where local governments and agencies are working to provide services, I hope those affected get proper support, and are eventually rehabilitated and reintegrated back into society.

Even in countries as wealthy as the U.S., they regularly import food aid or deploy emergency assistance for communities impacted by floods, and other natural disasters. It's not unique to Somalia, and it certainly shouldn't define the whole country

 

[Barkhadle1520]

They have done this in many parts of Somalia actually

Somalia’s Ministry of Health Boosts Healthcare in Hiiraan with New Emergency Vehicles - Mustaqbal Media

The Ministry of Health and Social Care of the Federal Government of Somalia has handed over three new emergency vehicles to the Health Administration of Hiiraan Region. These vehicles reportedly purchased through the Damal Caafimaad project and facilitated by Save the Children, are aimed at...

mustaqbalmedia.net

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Same in some parts of Somaliland

Amoud and Tima’Adde Universities Recieve Full Mobile Medical Service Vehicles – Somaliland MInistry Of Health

somalilandmohd.com

But you are right they need to roll out stuff like this in more places if they haven't done this already.


They want to make environmental disasters displacement the defining image of Somalia, apparently. People being displaced by floods isn't tied to how Somalia's economy functions.

Just like the example above where local governments and agencies are working to provide services, I hope those affected get proper support, and are eventually rehabilitated and reintegrated back into society.

Even in countries as wealthy as the U.S., they regularly import food aid or deploy emergency assistance for communities impacted by floods, and other natural disasters. It's not unique to Somalia, and it certainly shouldn't define the whole country

That's amazing, but why don't we hear about this anywhere ? Even local news only report politics and conflict, there is no one actively updating on progress.

 

[balanbalis]

That's amazing, but why don't we hear about this anywhere ? Even local news only report politics and conflict, there is no one actively updating on progress.

Negativity sells

 

[Afrax]

Nah the yacht type offshoring is from the Western black market, the eastern black market is a bit more, but to deny the biggest share of it is Africans who loot 90% of its people is silly of u, Western moryans are still very generous to their locals in relative comparisons heck even far east is. It's Black African Men who don't have any sense of morality about protecting their land interest and people interest like any other sensible nation do and do corruption but not at that silly scale and gamble your people survival.

Western moryans were in shackles until 30 years ago. There was an active class struggle(communism). If the elite stopped being generous, everything would have been redistributed to the last coin. Since the dynamics changed, you can see them steadily slip...

Africans are distracted with fake political parties and tribalism(ina adeer) schemes. The very same mooryaans put on new shaati every 4 years and keep on looting lol. That is why multi party is fowdo. It leaves too much room for multiple shaati racketeering. You know Somalis excel at this. Our politicians will be part of three xisbi and four regional parliaments. They will coordinate to share the goods while yelling tolayey. God forbid I can almost see it. In a two party state, you will only have one shaati. You won't burn it easily with stupid schemes and racketeering.

 

[Idilinaa]

That's amazing, but why don't we hear about this anywhere ? Even local news only report politics and conflict, there is no one actively updating on progress.

I explained the reasons why:

Western media outlets are driven by profit motive and sensationalism. It's the same for those wannabe Somali speaking journalists on Youtube. That's why their fixated on tragedies, drama and politics. It gets them clicks and viewership. It's more entertainment based rather than educational. Social media more or less operates the same.

But it makes them very detached from the ordinary everyday life of most Somalis inside Somalia, how Somalis interact with one another on a day to day basis and how basic things operate. Sometimes rather than understanding their own societies as it is they just imports ideas and models that apply to other societies and employ it on Somalia to explain things.

News coverage in Somalia should ideally be publicly funded and demanding people to have journalistic licenses. It will force them to be more professional, balanced, objective and fact driven , covering things that serve the local communities and help keep them educated and informed on the things relevant to their day to day lives.

I noticed looking at the corrections made by educated regional State officials, Somali journalists will literally misrepresent information and make slanderous allegations that are provably false. Their articles are often lacking in detail, insight or any nuance. It's as if they are reporting gossip and hersay.

You can see it from an article i came across that i shared in another thread:

Rebuttal- Puntland economy: Key underlying challenges of budget execution and ways forward - WardheerNews

The opinion piece on Puntland Economy published on WardheerNews, August 2, 2021 by a Abdullahi A. Muse (Sanco)’ with ooh and surprise about the author’s misrepresentation of the current financial performance and significant reforms achieved in Puntland under the new leadership and administration

wardheernews.com

I think the average Somali are wadani offline seeing how much they invest in their homeland. The support they give to it cannot be explained in any other way, except for the love they have for their homeland and people. So i am not really concerned about whats being said on reddit or anywhere else really. People can say the most despicable things it wont deter us .

This forum however is just littered with trolling and misinformation, so i doubt the sincerity what you are saying lmao. I am one of the few probably that engages in good faith but more so for my own sake to expand my own knowledge. You learn more from debate and disagreement than agreement i found, so this place has been useful to me.

InshaAllah i want to play a part of filling this gap.

 

[Idilinaa]

Are there any other industries (other than fishery, cement & dairy) that are rapidly evolving ? What about agriculture ? Any precise number ?

Sorry that I didn’t get to respond to this earlier. I’ll expand on the agricultural part later, which is actually in the multiple billions and employs a large number of people. To put it briefly , it’s modernizing. They’ve expanded irrigation to 25%, adopted various technologies (especially renewable energy), micro-irrigation is proliferating, and agribusiness is being powered by micro-financing, micro-savings, digitization, and mobile money.

There’s also growth in the seed sector and agricultural research centers. Exports are increasing as well , Somalia now exports a variety of agricultural products. So much to cover but most of it is detailed in the PDF I’ll link below.

They even built a massive grain processing plant that produces a variety of consumer food products at scale and sells them across the country.

https://www.dai.com/uploads/Priority-Sector-Investment-Study-Somalia.pdf

 

[Barkhadle1520]

Sorry that I didn’t get to respond to this earlier. I’ll expand on the agricultural part later, which is actually in the multiple billions and employs a large number of people. To put it briefly , it’s modernizing. They’ve expanded irrigation to 25%, adopted various technologies (especially renewable energy), micro-irrigation is proliferating, and agribusiness is being powered by micro-financing, micro-savings, digitization, and mobile money.

There’s also growth in the seed sector and agricultural research centers. Exports are increasing as well , Somalia now exports a variety of agricultural products. So much to cover but most of it is detailed in the PDF I’ll link below.

They even built a massive grain processing plant that produces a variety of consumer food products at scale and sells them across the country.

https://www.dai.com/uploads/Priority-Sector-Investment-Study-Somalia.pdf

Amazing.

I think if you put this all in a thread, people would have no reason to doubt Somalia's economic growth.

Also look at this posted just 3 hours ago. OP claims the largest salt production facility in East Africa was just built in Galmudug.

https://x.com/SeckanSomali/status/1932458751140782333

 

[Idilinaa]

Amazing.

I think if you put this all in a thread, people would have no reason to doubt Somalia's economic growth.

Also look at this posted just 3 hours ago. OP claims the largest salt production facility in East Africa was just built in Galmudug.

https://x.com/SeckanSomali/status/1932458751140782333

Oh yeah i have spoken about it. There is a large company connected to this that sells and markets salt products it all over the country.

Funny enough, a few people were unaware of it until i pointed it to them.

Somalia salt production

Why dont we make salt on large scale? Seems easy enough of an industry to get into and we got large amount of hot dry land. I am aware of xaafuun which was a tuulo in puuntland that the italians made into a salt factory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafun_Salt_Factory But after brits came it...

www.somalispot.com

 

[Midas]

Oh yeah i have spoken about it. There is a large company connected to this that sells and markets salt products it all over the country.

Funny enough, a few people were unaware of it until i pointed it to them.

Somalia salt production

Why dont we make salt on large scale? Seems easy enough of an industry to get into and we got large amount of hot dry land. I am aware of xaafuun which was a tuulo in puuntland that the italians made into a salt factory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafun_Salt_Factory But after brits came it...

www.somalispot.com

Even more than that even if somalia's gdp is lower what people don't realize is that its economic growth over the last decade has been real in way that it hasn't been in other african countries especially ones like ethiopia.

What do I mean by real? A huge amount of the growth in subsaharan africa over the last decade came from countries borrowing money and spending on investments to build stuff like ethiopia did or modernize their cities.

This means that their economies didnt actually pay for their infrastructure and neither did it come from fdi. So while there has been improvement in living standards to some extent because billions were put into these economies. These are loans and the money has to be paid back. So now these economies which didn't have real industrial growth are being squeezed to get back those billions.

 

[Midas]

Even more than that even if somalia's gdp is lower what people don't realize is that its economic growth over the last decade has been real in way that it hasn't been in other african countries especially ones like ethiopia.

What do I mean by real? A huge amount of the growth in subsaharan africa over rhe last decade came from countries borrowing money and spending on investments to build atyff like ethiopia did or modernize their cities.

This means that their economies didnt actually pay for their infrastructure and neither did it come from fdi. So while there has been improvement in living standards to some extent because billions were put into these economies. These are loans and the money has to be paid back. So now these economies which didn't have real industrial growth are being squeezed to get back those billions.

In comparison somalia's economic growth while hampered by the lack of infrastructure. Is totally real organic growth generated internally by our industries. So it cant just up and disappear.

 

[Idilinaa]

Even more than that even if somalia's gdp is lower what people don't realize is that its economic growth over the last decade has been real in way that it hasn't been in other african countries especially ones like ethiopia.

What do I mean by real? A huge amount of the growth in subsaharan africa over the last decade came from countries borrowing money and spending on investments to build stuff like ethiopia did or modernize their cities.

This means that their economies didnt actually pay for their infrastructure and neither did it come from fdi. So while there has been improvement in living standards to some extent because billions were put into these economies. These are loans and the money has to be paid back. So now these economies which didn't have real industrial growth are being squeezed to get back those billions.

Even when there is foreign direct investment into infrastructure, it rarely translates into tangible benefits for the average African. That’s because the money used isn't generated internally, nor is it reinvested into creating productive livelihoods.

A classic case is South Africa. Listen closely to what this man says about how the average Black South African’s living standards remain poor despite all the roads and modern infrastructure:


What he says to exempt other African countries is off base , it does apply to places like Nigeria and Ethiopia, albeit to different extents. South Africa functions like a foreign enclave economy, but in Nigeria, for instance, a massive chunk of wealth is siphoned off by foreign nationals like the billions the Lebanese business class reportedly repatriates. Add to that what foreign corporations extract.

Ethiopia's model isn't much different. Global fashion brands moved textile factories there, but they pay workers bottom-barrel wages. That wealth doesn’t stay in the country,it’s transferred abroad.

Global fashion brands accused of exploiting, abusing workers in Ethiopia | Africanews

Workers in PVH supplier factories in Ethiopia are reportedly forced to do unpaid overtime and lose pay for drinking water at their work stations, according to the U.S.-based Workers Rights Consortium

www.africanews.com

A January study of Ethiopia by the Wage Indicator Foundation – which publishes data on pay around the world – found that the majority of some 1,000 garment factory workers it surveyed earned less than a living wage of 4,130 birr ($143.90) a month.

Contrast that with Somalia. Across most sectors, people earn a living wage and often have enough left over. Crucially, the money circulates inside the local economy. Why? Because Somalia is perhaps the only African country where upwards of 90% of businesses and industries are owned by locals. Even most "foreign nationals" listed in data are likely part of the Somali diaspora. That means close to 99% of the economy is Somali-controlled.

Take the massive grain mill or salt factory I mentioned earlier, both are 100% locally owned. So the revenues stay in the country, reinvested in other ventures.

Same story with every industry in Somalia it's a locally invested

This is from the from the The NIA (National Industry Association) page.

What Somalis did, in my opinion, is actually smarter. They realized they didn’t have the massive, concentrated capital needed to build huge factories right away. So instead, they used what limited capital they had to build many small to medium-sized factories across various towns and urban centers. These then grouped into associations to pool their capital and scale up collectively.

Small and medium businesses grouped into larger cooperatives to fund major ventures and development.

In infrastructure, dozens of micro grid energy providers merged to form larger metro grid companies, pooling capital to expand operations.

The same model is used in telecom, agriculture, energy, fintech, engineering/construction, fishing, banking, you name it.

It's a grassroots, community powered development strategy and it works. It shows real initiative, rather than waiting on international aid or debt-driven mega-projects.

Honestly, it's one of the most sustainable, self reinforcing economic models on the continent.

 

[Midas]

Even when there is foreign direct investment into infrastructure, it rarely translates into tangible benefits for the average African. That’s because the money used isn't generated internally, nor is it reinvested into creating productive livelihoods.

A classic case is South Africa. Listen closely to what this man says about how the average Black South African’s living standards remain poor despite all the roads and modern infrastructure:


What he says to exempt other African countries is off base , it does apply to places like Nigeria and Ethiopia, albeit to different extents. South Africa functions like a foreign enclave economy, but in Nigeria, for instance, a massive chunk of wealth is siphoned off by foreign nationals like the billions the Lebanese business class reportedly repatriates. Add to that what foreign corporations extract.

Ethiopia's model isn't much different. Global fashion brands moved textile factories there, but they pay workers bottom-barrel wages. That wealth doesn’t stay in the country,it’s transferred abroad.

Global fashion brands accused of exploiting, abusing workers in Ethiopia | Africanews

Workers in PVH supplier factories in Ethiopia are reportedly forced to do unpaid overtime and lose pay for drinking water at their work stations, according to the U.S.-based Workers Rights Consortium

www.africanews.com

Contrast that with Somalia. Across most sectors, people earn a living wage and often have enough left over. Crucially, the money circulates inside the local economy. Why? Because Somalia is perhaps the only African country where upwards of 90% of businesses and industries are owned by locals. Even most "foreign nationals" listed in data are likely part of the Somali diaspora. That means close to 99% of the economy is Somali-controlled.

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Take the massive grain mill or salt factory I mentioned earlier, both are 100% locally owned. So the revenues stay in the country, reinvested in other ventures.

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Same story with every industry in Somalia it's a locally invested

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This is from the from the The NIA (National Industry Association) page.
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What Somalis did, in my opinion, is actually smarter. They realized they didn’t have the massive, concentrated capital needed to build huge factories right away. So instead, they used what limited capital they had to build many small to medium-sized factories across various towns and urban centers. These then grouped into associations to pool their capital and scale up collectively.

Small and medium businesses grouped into larger cooperatives to fund major ventures and development.

In infrastructure, dozens of micro grid energy providers merged to form larger metro grid companies, pooling capital to expand operations.

The same model is used in telecom, agriculture, energy, fintech, engineering/construction, fishing, banking, you name it.

It's a grassroots, community powered development strategy and it works. It shows real initiative, rather than waiting on international aid or debt-driven mega-projects.

Honestly, it's one of the most sustainable, self reinforcing economic models on the continent.

Yeah our model is way more self-sustaining although we cant take all the credit. While a large part of it comes from the mercantile culture of somalis. An equally large part is that we were forced down this path due to our unqiue circumstances.

 

[Idilinaa]

Yeah our model is way more self-sustaining although we cant take all the credit. While a large part of it comes from the mercantile culture of somalis. An equally large part is that we were forced down this path due to our unqiue circumstances.

I think one of the reasons Somalia's grassroots economic strength is underappreciated is because, as Somalis, we often take it for granted. We're immersed in our own worldview and don’t necessarily see it as unusual. But when you take a step back and look at the sheer scale and spread of businesses across Somalia , from small shops to factories , you start to realize something significant is happening.

You won’t hear much noise about this inside Somalia itself, but it becomes sharply visible when Somalis settle in other African countries where entrepreneurship is less common. Suddenly, Somali business presence sticks out ,and that’s when narratives emerge, often misleading ones.

Another point that only recently clicked for me is how much of what people mistook as state-imposed 'self-help' schemes or socialist-style cooperatives during the Kacaan era were actually just natural extensions of Somali culture. They called them ''Iskashato'', which should’ve been the first clue , these weren’t artificial government programs. These were deeply Somali models of cooperation.

Historically, ''Iskashato'' referred to commercial cooperatives in urban centers, where people from different clans came together under shared economic interests. In the inter-riverine agricultural zones, it was used to describe agricultural producers organized into stock associations

What’s especially interesting is how rare these kinds of cooperative models are in the West, yet in Somalia they’re commonplace

For instance, the Garowe industry profile doesn’t fail to highlight how prevalent and embedded these cooperatives are.

It’s unfortunate that Somalia’s unique economic structure hasn’t yet been fully conceptualized and studied the way Japan has its Keiretsu (collective capitalism) or South Korea its Chaebol (family-run conglomerates). Because what’s happening in Somalia , decentralized, cooperative, locally-owned economic development , is something special, and it deserves to be recognized as such.

 

[Idilinaa]

Even when there is foreign direct investment into infrastructure, it rarely translates into tangible benefits for the average African. That’s because the money used isn't generated internally, nor is it reinvested into creating productive livelihoods.

A classic case is South Africa. Listen closely to what this man says about how the average Black South African’s living standards remain poor despite all the roads and modern infrastructure:


What he says to exempt other African countries is off base , it does apply to places like Nigeria and Ethiopia, albeit to different extents. South Africa functions like a foreign enclave economy, but in Nigeria, for instance, a massive chunk of wealth is siphoned off by foreign nationals like the billions the Lebanese business class reportedly repatriates. Add to that what foreign corporations extract.

Ethiopia's model isn't much different. Global fashion brands moved textile factories there, but they pay workers bottom-barrel wages. That wealth doesn’t stay in the country,it’s transferred abroad.

Global fashion brands accused of exploiting, abusing workers in Ethiopia | Africanews

Workers in PVH supplier factories in Ethiopia are reportedly forced to do unpaid overtime and lose pay for drinking water at their work stations, according to the U.S.-based Workers Rights Consortium

www.africanews.com

Contrast that with Somalia. Across most sectors, people earn a living wage and often have enough left over. Crucially, the money circulates inside the local economy. Why? Because Somalia is perhaps the only African country where upwards of 90% of businesses and industries are owned by locals. Even most "foreign nationals" listed in data are likely part of the Somali diaspora. That means close to 99% of the economy is Somali-controlled.

View attachment 363503

Take the massive grain mill or salt factory I mentioned earlier, both are 100% locally owned. So the revenues stay in the country, reinvested in other ventures.

View attachment 363506
View attachment 363504

Same story with every industry in Somalia it's a locally invested

View attachment 363513
This is from the from the The NIA (National Industry Association) page.
View attachment 363517

What Somalis did, in my opinion, is actually smarter. They realized they didn’t have the massive, concentrated capital needed to build huge factories right away. So instead, they used what limited capital they had to build many small to medium-sized factories across various towns and urban centers. These then grouped into associations to pool their capital and scale up collectively.

Small and medium businesses grouped into larger cooperatives to fund major ventures and development.

In infrastructure, dozens of micro grid energy providers merged to form larger metro grid companies, pooling capital to expand operations.

The same model is used in telecom, agriculture, energy, fintech, engineering/construction, fishing, banking, you name it.

It's a grassroots, community powered development strategy and it works. It shows real initiative, rather than waiting on international aid or debt-driven mega-projects.

Honestly, it's one of the most sustainable, self reinforcing economic models on the continent.

But as you can see from what I said above, FDI is very tricky. You need to be strategic about it and negotiate the terms wisely to maintain some local ownership. It’s also important to ensure that a portion of the profits is reinvested locally and that workers receive decent wages.

 

[NordicSomali]

Its deceptive. Somalis and other africans don't have the access to the same goods. It's a pointless number.