Somalis Are Not Ready For Peace Nor Unity

[DR OSMAN]

Somalis are simply not ready for peace nor national unity and trying to force them to be is just wasting your time and theirs. These guys talk about nonsensical things like 1988 Hargeisa massacre yet it was few months only while majerten were being genocided from 1978 to 1986 by siyad barre yet noone talks about it.

Noone mentions siyad barre xaq as he had a national duty to protect the country from domestic or foreign enemies like any country would. Just like Abi Ahmed did with tigray rebels, why no-one mentions siyad barre did exactly the same.

Why they don't mention these truth is because their not ready for peace orr unity. Siyad Barre built the fuckin nation from the ground up as we know what he inherited from the 1960 to 1969 civilian govt era and it wasn't much yet we know what he left behind in 91.

That tremendous growth period from 1969 to 1991 basically turnin a manual based society to a semi industrial country thru manufacturing was amazing. Under siyad refugees didn't exist, cost of living and wages were in sync, universal health and education was a right not a privilege that is paid for.

He upgraded our national universities from two faculties law and economics into a respectable institution with nursing, medical, engineering, etc. Plus Every educated man or woman or human capital in each clan today is also is his legacy and investment.

Noone cares these mention these yet they want to tell us he was some dhiigyacab well that's not only a lie it's an outright rubbish. He didn't touch anyone who wasn't aiding or apart of rebel groups or working for foreign enemies is the truth.

He also began the oil exploration legacies, the baardheere dam which Ethiopia has copied recently. He even created Ethiopia and Eritrea as they wee hosted by him In Mogadishu as TPLF, he also created Djibouti.

 

[DR OSMAN]

That was my siyad barre deserves justice rant. The amount majerten contributed to Somalia and what they got back in return is absolutely criminal. These boys had two respectable kingdoms and were even sending foreign aid to the gulf.

These boys set up the SYL, they built Mogadishu from two neighbourhood old Hamar quarter and the abgaal jingaad soweto quarter called Hamar daye.

Their civilians even got massacred by USC in galkacyo, galgala, kismaayo yet they werent even an active rebel group and shut down SSDF at 1986 upon Abdillahi yusuf imprisonment by Menguistu.

The massacre that happened to them hasn't happened to any clan In Somalia, yet U talk about petty Isaaq brought a somali flag lol, most MJ's just laugh at your stupidity because the hard work was done by majerten thru syl, Isaaq coming was just ceremonial symbolic crap, they didn't do jack shit besides bring khat and Dirac and all somalis know this.

But MJ are to landheere to mention this but I'm mentioning it only so U see they are to landheere to tell you the facts or u simply cant read between the lines or understand indirect speech by our leaders.

 

[galhareeri]

That was my siyad barre deserves justice rant. The amount majerten contributed to Somalia and what they got back in return is absolutely criminal. These boys had two respectable kingdoms and were even sending foreign aid to the gulf.

These boys set up the SYL, they built Mogadishu from two neighbourhood old Hamar quarter and the abgaal jingaad soweto quarter called Hamar daye.

Their civilians even got massacred by USC in galkacyo, galgala, kismaayo yet they won't even active rebel group and shut down SSDF at 1986 upon Abdillahi yusuf imprisonment by Menguistu.

The massacre that happened to them hasn't happened to any clan In Somalia, yet U talk about petty Isaaq brought a somali flag lol, most MJ's just laugh at your stupidity because the hard work was done by majerten thru syl, Isaaq coming was just ceremonial symbolic crap, they didn't do jack shit besides bring khat and Dirac and all somalis know this.

But MJ are to landheere to mention this but I'm mentioning it only saw U see they are to landheere to tell you the facts or u simply cant read between the lines or understand indirect speech by our leaders.

U have long way to go.
Usualy its elites of every society that either unites or divides its aplys everywhere if u want to unit somalis its elites problem u wil face.

 

[JamalFarah]

Many Somalis lack empathy. The individuals who still lament and harbor resentment for the retrubitive killings perpetrated by the USC against the Darood during the civil war are the same ones advising Isaaqs to "Get over it!" or insisting, "It didn't happen!" or even asserting, "If it did happen, you guys deserved it!" and not understanding the pain it brings when you go and glorify this man and his regime.

The simple fact that Siad Barre actively spoke against verses of the Quran was more than enough reason to rebel against his rule. This is not even delving into the genocidal campaign in the north, the plans to tribal replace the Raxanweyn and Isaaq through Ogadeen migration, the concentration of governmental power within his own tribe, a failed war, and systematic terror against non-Daarods.

The civilian government liberated us from colonialism, established sound institutions, fostered a peaceful country, and upheld a functioning democracy. Siad Barre isn't even worthy to clean the shoes of the SYL members.

His general, Morgan, exclaimed, "This is a tribal war between Hawiye and Darood!" and then expressed surprise when the civil war devolved into a tribal conflict.

The litmus test for anyone claiming to be a Somali nationalist is their ability to condemn Siad Barre and the various clan warlords, regardless of their own clan affiliations. If they fail this test, they are merely tribalists concealing themselves in nationalist rhetoric.

 

[GemState]

It's nothing to do with Siad Barre, 1988, 91 or any of the warlords.

Somalia is a low literacy, tribal, resource poor country without history of centralized states. That it is where it is isn't a shock, it was the expected trajectory for a society like ours. You see older Somalis talk through rose tinted glasses, but it couldn't be further from the truth, we aren't Lebanon or Sri Lanka who were genuinely high potential nations derailed by conflict.

What we are lucky at, is that the international community prevented Somalis disappearing from the map, and that our extraordinary demography makes us a hedgehog and that large scale migration from Habesha/Kikuyu was rendered a non starter. The only way to regain dignity and provide some kind of a future is through Somaliweyne, and the only way to that is through a central state that controls everything from Ras Kamboni to Zaylac. All animosity from the past should be immediately discarded.

 

[TekNiKo]

Siyaad Barre couldnt fix a people who never had a unified state in their history. Somalia is artificial state sorry.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

You are just talking to yourself. While insulting everyone. Impressive.

 

[repo]

@Libaax-Joore this guy loves Siad Barre man.

 

[Tiyeglow]

Your issue is and has always been your sentimental love for Afweyne simply due to your father being given a role within Kacaan. Its a shame as this really does weaken your political analysis of Somalia, which admittedly has probably one of the best on SS

 

[Tiyeglow]

As for your comments regarding MJ and our massacres, we have too much xishood, in spite of what we were put through so we don't wail and cry victimhood (However, it is weird you mention the Galkayco raids @DR OSMAN as if it wasn't done by your hero Afweyne? How does that cognitive dissonance work?).

Anyways, we are soldiers and statemen, we understand that this nation needs us and it is our responsibility to transcend the rest, as we have always done from the Sultanate to SYL to Manifesto Group, Majeerteen is synonymous with visionary & paternalism. Those to the West are Somalidiid and to the South are Dawladiid, the easy way out is to claim a new nation state and throw a fit but we stuck by, created a visionary idea called Maamul Goboleed and continue to persevere for the betterment of this nation.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

As for your comments regarding MJ and our massacres, we have too much xishood, in spite of what we were put through so we don't wail and cry victimhood (However, it is weird you mention the Galkayco raids @DR OSMAN as if it wasn't done by your hero Afweyne? How does that cognitive dissonance work?).

Anyways, we are soldiers and statemen, we understand that this nation needs us and it is our responsibility to transcend the rest, as we have always done from the Sultanate to SYL to Manifesto Group, Majeerteen is synonymous with visionary & paternalism. Those to the West are Somalidiid and to the South are Dawladiid, the easy way out is to claim a new nation state and throw a fit but we stuck by, created a visionary idea called Maamul Goboleed and continue to persevere for the betterment of this nation.

You sound unhinged. Somaliland must be recognized. This pan-Somali project you are clinging onto by any means is a dead horse and everyone knows it.

 

[Tiyeglow]

You sound unhinged. Somaliland must be recognized. This pan-Somali project you are clinging onto by any means is a dead horse and everyone knows it.

Somalidiid (or more pertinent now Gaalraac) can split off completely and add the prefix -lander to their ethnicity as well. What they won't do is steal land and claim it as theirs under the pretence of victimhood (sounds awfully similar to a certain group). Somali lands, the region where ethnic Somalis inhabit, will always be based upon clans. SNM "colonial borders" argument has so many holes, its porous reasoning being regurgitated just shows the power of propaganda.

To be frank, I actually don't care about Somalidiid's and their SNM project, they are small fish given their lack of awood and that it has actually failed and we are just witnessing its remnants (I know Somalidiids love to be certain of attention so that is a blow), I care more about the Dowladiid's down south and ways to circumvent power from them if it means the rest of us suffer (no I am not a pan-Somalist, I don't use terms such as "pan", as this is exported from pan-African and false decolonial ideologies - I just happened to have interests in both (North East) PL + JL (South) so I have to find a way to ensure their prosperity while those who looted Xamar are put aside.

 

[Itsnotthateasy]

Somalidiid (or more pertinent now Gaalraac) can split off completely and add the prefix -lander to their ethnicity as well. What they won't do is steal land and claim it as theirs under the pretence of victimhood (sounds fairly to a certain group). Somali lands, the region where ethnic Somalis inhabit, will always be based upon clans. SNM "colonial borders" argument has so many holes, its porous reasoning being regurgitated just shows the power of propaganda. I actually don't care about Somalidiid's and their SNM project given it has failed and we are just witnessing its remnants (I know Somalidiids love to be certain of attention so that is a blow), I care more about the Dowladiid's down south and ways to circumvent power from them if it means the rest of us suffer (no I am not a pan-Somalist, I don't use terms such as "pan", as this is exported from pan-African and false decolonial ideologies - I just happened to have interests in both (North East) PL + JL (South) so I have to find a way to ensure their prosperity while those who looted Xamar are put aside.

Three simple facts:

Majority
Heartlands
External interests superceding all else really.

Just worry about the south I would agree that's where most of the problems are.