Somaliland Guurti System Admirable

[DR OSMAN]

https://www.puntlandi.com/?p=16304

I have to be honest the 'guurti' system is far better then PL 'secular' approach with the ISIMO who are unregulated. In SL they are regulated and defined and there is no 'open' vacuum for ISIMO to go around outside the structures. PL and Somalia ISIMO in general are 'outside' any 'nidaam' so this is why you see them interfering a-lot and clan instability. Once we can provide 'structure' for the ISIMO in PL and also Somalia, we should see a huge difference in our stability levels as there is now a 'system' they must follow. As of now their outside any system. Their similar to the 'church' in America, totally independent and outside government structures. This has caused a-lot of instability in America with them forming lobby groups and interfering in politics. This has turned a-lot of Americans against the church. I fear we will lose respect for our ISIMO in the future if we don't define a 'structure' immediately.

The only negative about Guurti Model is, their 'equal' with the 'mps' kind of like Somalia parliamentary senator/lower house. So unfortunately this does indeed make them 'political' but at least they have 'voting' system which means 'nidaam' and 'number'. Once there is 'number' somewhere, it's quantifiable and becomes a 'structure or system'. Once there isn't, it becomes 'chaos'.

I must say it is very 'rowdy' and 'dangerous' inside SL parliament which is what I fear for PL ISIMO if we create a similar 'guurti' as 'politics' is 'divisive' by nature and they may lose their 'status' as 'traditional'. My suggestion is they follow 'royal' process and define their 'role as traditional' and 'above' the state so they do have 'power' but not 'political' because 'political' means 'divisions'. Once above the state or 'head of state' they can 'sign royal decrees' for the government cabinet, executive, parliament, etc. They should also have full power to change the government in the event of disaster regionally.

The royalty seems more similar to our culture because ISIMO are in control of the land, clans, decision making. So that's why I suggest we formalize they are the 'owners' of the land and the 'govt' is sitting on their land therefore he is 'representative' of their 'will' only after the Royal house 'signs' the government even after an election.

If we continue to remain in this vacuum we will keep disappointing our diaspora like @AussieHustler who will see our government is truly symbolic by nature and clan elders or politicians can just step outside of the state structure and return to clan militia and disorder again. In order for this to stop, we need to define and create systems for stakeholders of the nation. We create a system for the people thru 'parliament' election and democracy. We create a system for the government using the executive/legislative/judicial model. We create a system for Isimo as Royalty. Now we have them organized we can create the constitutions for each space and their role in the state. That's it. We have an ordered and structured Puntland now where we can hold everyone in the state accountable.

 

[Younes Osman]

https://www.puntlandi.com/?p=16304

I have to be honest the 'guurti' system is far better then PL 'secular' approach with the ISIMO who are unregulated. In SL they are regulated and defined and there is no 'open' vacuum for ISIMO to go around outside the structures. PL and Somalia ISIMO in general are 'outside' any 'nidaam' so this is why you see them interfering a-lot and clan instability. Once we can provide 'structure' for the ISIMO in PL and also Somalia, we should see a huge difference in our stability levels as there is now a 'system' they must follow. As of now their outside any system. Their similar to the 'church' in America, totally independent and outside government structures. This has caused a-lot of instability in America with them forming lobby groups and interfering in politics. This has turned a-lot of Americans against the church. I fear we will lose respect for our ISIMO in the future if we don't define a 'structure' immediately.

The only negative about Guurti Model is, their 'equal' with the 'mps' kind of like Somalia parliamentary senator/lower house. So unfortunately this does indeed make them 'political' but at least they have 'voting' system which means 'nidaam' and 'number'. Once there is 'number' somewhere, it's quantifiable and becomes a 'structure or system'. Once there isn't, it becomes 'chaos'.

I must say it is very 'rowdy' and 'dangerous' inside SL parliament which is what I fear for PL ISIMO if we create a similar 'guurti' as 'politics' is 'divisive' by nature and they may lose their 'status' as 'traditional'. My suggestion is they follow 'royal' process and define their 'role as traditional' and 'above' the state so they do have 'power' but not 'political' because 'political' means 'divisions'. Once above the state or 'head of state' they can 'sign royal decrees' for the government cabinet, executive, parliament, etc. They should also have full power to change the government in the event of disaster regionally.

The royalty seems more similar to our culture because ISIMO are in control of the land, clans, decision making. So that's why I suggest we formalize they are the 'owners' of the land and the 'govt' is sitting on their land therefore he is 'representative' of their 'will' only after the Royal house 'signs' the government even after an election.

If we continue to remain in this vacuum we will keep disappointing our diaspora like @AussieHustler who will see our government is truly symbolic by nature and clan elders or politicians can just step outside of the state structure and return to clan militia and disorder again. In order for this to stop, we need to define and create systems for stakeholders of the nation. We create a system for the people thru 'parliament' election and democracy. We create a system for the government using the executive/legislative/judicial model. We create a system for Isimo as Royalty. Now we have them organized we can create the constitutions for each space and their role in the state. That's it. We have an ordered and structured Puntland now where we can hold everyone in the state accountable.

Yes, its very good

 

[SilentE1001]

You're wrong about the Guurti, they are not supposed to be political. They're role is conflict resolution and making sure tribal conflict in government legislation don't occur but ever since Kulmiye took charge in 2010 that line between Guurti & Executive Branch has been eroded.

Watch this video from 3:00 where Bob Geldof went to Somaliland in 2005. He visits the Guurti under a tree

Hearing those men talk warns my heart, I miss that version of Somaliland. The country we fought for died in 2012

 

[DR OSMAN]

Yes, its very good

That is incorrect statement and very flawed and shows you don't understand. I praised your system as better then PL current system, not that it's the best. I want to 'advance' on it. That's what academia or science or any field of humanity does, they never say it's good, they always how can I make it better. See this is one of the reasons why I do not consider Isaaq mentally as gifted as other clans, who know the principles and rules of the world, where-as Isaaq simply follows the baghdad bob model of media manipulation and lack of criticism that leads to 'advancement'.

They sure criticize but that's not advancement without a better solution. You can't write an academic paper just criticising the 'flaws' in your field as @PhySom @Teeri-Alpha are fully aware, because what are you going to replace it with is the question? no system or vacuum? kkkkkk which is far worse. Even academia and scientific endeavours teach you the mindset of 'it's good' needs to get out of your head or else progress is not possible.

There is fundamental flaws in Isaaq culture that has not allowed for this to develop and this is why their always crying 'tribalism' or 'darod' or 'hawiye' or some excuse as if we are to blame for this. They seem hell-bent on competing and comparing themselves to everyone and not actually following the 'structure' of the world.

The rule is simple in the world. Just produce something to impress us, something innovative that we don't know, I will automatically be in hargeisa for 'investigation' and I am sure @Teeri-Alpha @PhySom will be. There is no tribalism in knowledge,everyone wants it. But don't ask me to come and respect you when there is nothing you ever done that impresses me. I am impressed by that 'Archaelogist' Sada Mire but that is statistical deviation for your Diaspora, look how many u have and all u have is one academic to show for it? It's because your minds are not built for self criticism, it's built for competing against darod, you need to change this, I am just being brother and helping you succeed so people can respect you in the future, because your direction is 'wrong'. Your following the same thing of your fathers and they were under darod, what makes u think using his strategy is going to lead to anything different? u will just sit there n moan about darod system but never provide an alterantive to transition to.

You just provide a vacuum nothing else. I can't criticise my field IT Security and not provide another 'framework', it means a 'vacuum'. Please Somaliyay barta 'nidaam' I know you hate it and I know there is proverb that says 'masuqmasuq waa somali meheredisiye kkkk'' you can't live in 'chaos' kkkkkk, waxba kama soo baxa chaos iyo masuqmasuq.

But I do want to advance on the 'guurti'. It does seem like their political since their an 'arm' of the government and dealing with legislation as it has to go thru two houses right? if so, his political, open for bribes, etc his status among the ppl goes down is what I mean. I want our ISIMO defined as 'traditional' their duties simply royalty, conflict resolution, and selling our history to the world with other royal families. I want them to have power but 'full' power. This mean they won't stop the whole state just for politics as it hurts the whole people, that's why he will become symbolic then politically, but if you give him political power like the guurti or like we do now thru MP selection, he is forced to take his personal interest into account. Plus I have seen SL and Somalia, call our elders showing u how this is an 'open vulnerability' in our state, our elders are in 'vacuum' and can be used by anyone to destroy puntland be it local or foreign. That's why SL goes thru elders in SSC, why? their not 'regulated' or 'defined' in our state. Wa awood buux banan iska yaala, qof walbo waa ka fa'idaysanaya gudo ama dibed.

 

[Samaalism]

The guurti has the same role as the House of Lords did for the UK in the past.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The guurti has the same role as the House of Lords did for the UK in the past.

PL can't copy the house of lords as that is all about church influence on England, Islam isn't that influential in PL, it's more personal. No-one runs to mosque when a war happens, no-one really cares what an IMAM says beyond 'worship matters'.

All our land and ciidaan is under the control of ISIMO. They give the 'green light' to any politician to utilize it due to being outside the 'state structures' and 'unaccountable'. PL needs it's sultanate back not in 'governing' capacity but 'ceremonial' capacity with full power over the land, clans, which is undeniable and inherited for centuries. We need to 'formalize' our old governance like the English did. You had no governance so I can understand why you would 'copy'.

But PL is different 'story' to you. It was Sultanate in Majerteniya. Sultanate in Warsangeli, Darawish movement. We need to make sense of how we will create a 'monarchy' for this. Boqor Burhan/Sultan of Makhir/Dhulbahante Garaad I just say give then their duties back to have full power over land and clan matters. We can elect Burhan as King but his power is 'divided' among the 'Isimo' in PL who he must consult with before signing any government thru a royal decree, signing ministerials, etc plus his duties must be like other royal house to promote the history of makhir, majerteniya,darawish to the world and also other Somalis so it's not forgotten. It's up to them to keep their legacy alive, every country keep it's legacy alive as paramount duty to the past.

Now @PhySom @Teeri-Alpha watch the other clans come rushing in like 'ghetto minds' and start going all full mad that I am focused on myself and people and their role in the world, why doesn't he do the same for himself, why does he need to come and worship me

 

[SilentE1001]

The guurti has the same role as the House of Lords did for the UK in the past.

Watch the video I shared at the 3 minute mark

 

[DR OSMAN]

You're wrong about the Guurti, they are not supposed to be political. They're role is conflict resolution and making sure tribal conflict in government legislation don't occur but ever since Kulmiye took charge in 2010 that line between Guurti & Executive Branch has been eroded.

Watch this video from 3:00 where Bob Geldof went to Somaliland in 2005. He visits the Guurti under a tree

Hearing those men talk warns my heart, I miss that version of Somaliland. The country we fought for died in 2012

Sirlance please do not embarass Somalis and never ever attend a university, it's thru ppl like you Somalis are called dumb and retards. Dude their political, they all have a voice, and that means clan interests, each can be bribed, their status gets lower. Somaliland guurti is good in the sense it defined a' structure, it doesn't mean it's the best.PL can out do it following it's sultanate approach and head of state so it doesn't turn into this.


PS - @SirLancelLord war niyahow maseerkani waalan meel kuma gaynayso, war iska daa, adaa ku jabaysid just think rationally do not 'object' everything someone says because Somaliland wax ba laga sheegay, how will u advance being closed minded? See I told u it's Isaaq that is your problem and always has been not me or any clan. I praised SL as better then PL in that it is structured not that it's perfect. I just proposed how PL can perfect it. Baghdad bob image shit waa dhaqanki baghdad bob iyo iraq ku dhintay, u wanna be next using those tactics? is that all ur power is mentally wallahi if it is sxb, your ppl are in dire traits. The reason SL created gurti is copy UK their BOQORTOYO. PL is boqortoyo, we know how it works, if u did, u wud too but u dont so UK is your kingdom. It's not mine. We are equal. Your are her servant

 

[SilentE1001]

Sirlance please do not embarass Somalis and never ever attend a university, it's thru ppl like you Somalis are called dumb and retards. Dude their political, they all have a voice, and that means clan interests, each can be bribed, their status gets lower. Somaliland guurti is good in the sense it defined a' structure, it doesn't mean it's the best.PL can out do it following it's sultanate approach and head of state so it doesn't turn into this.


PS - @SirLancelLord war niyahow maseerkani waalan meel kuma gaynayso, war iska daa, adaa ku jabaysid just think rationally do not 'object' everything someone says because Somaliland wax ba laga sheegay, how will u advance being closed minded? See I told u it's Isaaq that is your problem and always has been not me or any clan. I praised SL as better then PL in that it is structured not that it's perfect. I just proposed how PL can perfect it. Baghdad bob image shit waa dhaqanki baghdad bob iyo iraq ku dhintay, u wanna be next using those tactics? is that all ur power is mentally wallahi if it is sxb, your ppl are in dire traits. The reason SL created gurti is copy UK their BOQORTOYO. PL is boqortoyo, we know how it works, if u did, u wud too but u dont so UK is your kingdom. It's not mine. We are equal. Your are her servant

No it isnt a copy the Guurti system always existed in Somaliland part of the Xeer. This was the original Somali form of governance between the clans.

But it is no longer an honest body that can be relied upon as money has entered the arena amd influence their decision. The noble elders who once sat there are no longer with us AUN.

Again with the name calling, open you're mind look at perspective

 

[DR OSMAN]

No it isnt a copy the Guurti system always existed in Somaliland part of the Xeer. This was the original Somali form of governance between the clans.

But it is no longer an honest body that can be relied upon as money has entered the arena amd influence their decision. The noble elders who once sat there are no longer with us AUN.

Again with the name calling, open you're mind look at perspective

Your worshipping me again, I study u as Sun Tsu said to 'prepare and defeat u' not create 'media baghdad bob images of u'. I don't use media manipulation as it doesn't sell well anymore as people don't trust it cause another side just responds with another media shot. It's stalemate environment. I am using the 'art of sun tsu' tactics to study your enemy to defeat him not thru 'fkd' but really studying him and finding what he is concealing and I found it in Isaaq by seeing the patterns and correlations of your existence in war. U FEAR A SOLUTION u need to keep living in vacuum and having enemies. The worst thing is solution in SL as it cannot exist as it's people will have nothing to do when left alone. Dude I aint got time to fight u over humanitarian designated nation ma garatay, Let me create somalia structures so your ppl are not next on the list body part exports.

 

[SilentE1001]

Your worshipping me again, I study u as Sun Tsu said to 'prepare and defeat u' not create 'media baghdad bob images of u'. I don't use media manipulation as it doesn't sell well anymore as people don't trust it cause another side just responds with another media shot. It's stalemate environment. I am using the 'art of sun tsu' tactics to study your enemy to defeat him not thru 'fkd' but really studying him and finding what he is concealing and I found it in Isaaq by seeing the patterns and correlations of your existence in war. U FEAR A SOLUTION u need to keep living in vacuum and having enemies. The worst thing is solution in SL as it cannot exist as it's people will have nothing to do when left alone. Dude I aint got time to fight u over humanitarian designated nation ma garatay, Let me create somalia structures so your ppl are not next on the list body part exports.

Dude, what are you on about...

All we want to do is be left alone. You disturb is everyday. There would be no problem if PL just sticks with Bari & Nugaal but ever since 2013 you lot have been plotting and incoming yourselves into our territory

On top of the social media campaign to tarnish Somaliland and harassing any outsider who has good words to say