Somalia's nominal GDP would fall by $2 billion if Somaliland officially seceded

[Karl Abdi]

Somalia has a population of 12.32 million with a GDP of 4.2 billion with a huge external debt.Their military has an active personal of 30K(militia from PL and JL included) and defense butget of 60 milion USD.They also receive general budget support from developed nations which increases their debt.

VS

Somaliland which has a population of 3.8 million with a GDP of 2 billion with no external debt at all.We have a military with an active personel of 75k and a defense budget of 300 milion USD.

Somalia is fucked.They will never prosper.

The 13,000-strong Somaliland Armed Forces forms part of a wider national security architecture in Somaliland that is well-established and well known to the team from our past and current work with the police and National Security Council.

https://www.adamsmithinternational....tability-within-the-somaliland-army-and-coast

 

[Zero]

https://www.adamsmithinternational....tability-within-the-somaliland-army-and-coast

Its the groups that occasionally receive training from EU countries,mostly UK and Germany.They can't train 75k soldiers at one time,so instead a small group receives the training like special forces.

 

[MadNomad]

Well,that was before the FGS humiliated themselves internationally and every Somaliland hater finally showed their faces proudly.I realized that there was no middle ground with Somalia.

You have this habit of generalizing based on small anecdotes.

You don't think people in Somalia that are suffering deserve stability? You want them to burn in never-ending chaos? When you let politics get this much to your head you need to seriously reevaluate your moral compass.

 

[Zero]

You have this habit of generalizing based on small anecdotes.

You don't think people in Somalia that are suffering deserve stability? You want them to burn in never-ending chaos? When you let politics get this much to your head you need to seriously reevaluate your moral compass.

I said "May the AMISOM colony of Somalia continue to burn for decades.Amen." because I view Somalia as an enemy that would only bring destruction upon Somaliland if it ever got stable and acquired a decent military.Naive citizens of Somalia like you think this way because you aren't the one being held hostage and claimed like some slaves against your will for fucking 27 years.Just for one moment listen to what your Goverment says about Somaliland and imagine if the German Goverment was saying that about Israel today,Insane right?

 

[Karl Abdi]

Its the groups that occasionally receive training from EU countries,mostly UK and Germany.They can't train 75k soldiers at one time,so instead a small group receives the training like special forces.

Give me a source for 75k bro, my source says 13000 strong SL armed forces

 

[MadNomad]

I said "May the AMISOM colony of Somalia continue to burn for decades.Amen." because I view Somalia as an enemy that would only bring destruction upon Somaliland if it ever got stable and acquired a decent military.Naive citizens of Somalia like you think this way because you aren't the one being held hostage and claimed like some slaves against your will for fucking 27 years.Just for one moment listen to what your Goverment says about Somaliland and imagine if the German Goverment was saying that about Israel today,Insane right?

Whatever issues you may have with the government, why are you conflating them with the people? When you say things like "may they never find stability", how is that not contributing to the continued suffering of the people? Politics has radicalized you.

 

[Zero]

Give me a source for 75k bro, my source says 13000 strong SL armed forces

Your source is one that is talking about the training of the combined Somaliland Police Force and some military personel.Everyone knows the size of the Somaliland army.Who are you trying to fool by distorting the size in 2018?

My source is Somaliland's yearly budget release where 30% of it goes to the military alone.Here is some info on wiki too:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaliland_Armed_Forces

Whatever issues you may have with the government, why are you conflating them with the people? When you say things like "may they never find stability", how is that not contributing to the continued suffering of the people? Politics has radicalized you.

The goverment represents the people.Are you going to just sit around and blame the goverment when they start another war with us instead of doing something against the corrupt officials you elected?

 

[Yaquub]

Within 10 years close to 12 trillion dollars will be injected into the Somali economy. This money is expected to come from oil and gas and maybe uranium. So chillax the future of Somalia is bright.

12 trillion is a bit far-fetched. That's higher than russia's gdp.

 

[MadNomad]

The goverment represents the people. Are you going to just sit around and blame the goverment when they start another war with us instead of doing something against your corrupt officials you elected?

You people joke about how democratic you're, while Somalia has unelected leaders. But at the same time you will sit there and say that this unelected corrupt government is representative of the people all over Somalia?

No wars have started, this is literally all in your head. Even with an army i don't think a full scale war would be supported by the people. They have had enough of wars to last thirty life times.

I honestly wonder how you interact with Somalis in real life, considering how you have effectively dehumanized anyone from Somalia. Do you display this intense hatred face to face, or only on the internet?

 

[Zero]

You people joke about how democratic you're, while Somalia has unelected leaders. But at the same time you will sit there and say that this unelected corrupt government is representative of the people all over Somalia?

No wars have started, this is literally all in your head. Even with an army i don't think a full scale war would be supported by the people. They have had enough of wars to last thirty life times.

I honestly wonder how you interact with Somalis in real life, considering how you have effectively dehumanized anyone from Somalia. Do you display this intense hatred face to face, or only on the internet?

Don't underestimate the irrational behavior of somalis to start fights they think they can win.The only reason why Pirateland acts so cautiously in our border region with them si because they are super weak.It would be a different story if they had support from a capable FGS.

My family only interacts with fellow Somalilanders.The only Somalilanders in the diaspora who interact with Somalians are the once who are living in scandinavian countries.For most Isaaqs if their daughter married a Darood or a Hawiye there would be an honor killing happening.

 

[Karl Abdi]

Your source is one that is talking about the training of the combined Somaliland Police Force and some military personel.Everyone knows the size of the Somaliland army.Who are you trying to fool by distorting the size in 2018?

My source is Somaliland's yearly budget release where 30% of it goes to the military alone.Here is some info on wiki too:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somaliland_Armed_Forces

I need a credible source or any source for that matter. You made a claim of 75k SL armed forces, substantiate your claim or use the real personnel number of 13000 strong SL armed forces

 

[Zero]

I need a credible source or any source for that matter. You made a claim of 75k SL armed forces, substantiate your claim or use the real personnel number of 13000 strong SL armed forces

Wikipedia is the most credible source for east Africa since most of the information happens in their own isolated news outlets.That wikipedia data was based on a study made in 2015 for all east Africa.I can't find the article though but Ethiopia's data from 2015 in their wiki is still the same as today: https://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=ethiopia (Somaliland doesn't have a profile on this site since we are an unrecognized de facto state).Your article was one from a training camp organized by the EU for some police forces and active military personal.They do these training sessions every few years.Don't get confused.The fact that the Somaliland army is 75K is well known for a long time.

 

[Halyeey]

We hate Somalia and wish its destruction because not only did you attack us and destroy our 3 biggest cities

You people are truly deranged

 

[Zero]

You people are truly deranged

The truly deranged ones are you people who celebrate the Siad Barre regime like some heros.

 

[MadNomad]

My family only interacts with fellow Somalilanders.

That explains a lot about you. Although i find it odd that you're claiming this is a universal thing in the west, as the youth especially don't really ask for each other's clans before interacting.

I got nothing more to say really. We've had this conversation a couple of times already, what can be said has been said.

 

[Mr.Haggis]

12 trillion is a bit far-fetched. That's higher than russia's gdp.

6 trillion from oil. 4 trillion from gas. And 2 trillion uranium. So that’s about it.

 

[Yaquub]

6 trillion from oil. 4 trillion from gas. And 2 trillion uranium. So that’s about it.

Nah...nah...nah!!! my nigga. I'm telling you that's higher than saudi arabia's gdp and they have lots of oil.

 

[The Patriot]

Don't underestimate the irrational behavior of somalis to start fights they think they can win.The only reason why Pirateland acts so cautiously in our border region with them si because they are super weak.It would be a different story if they had support from a capable FGS.

My family only interacts with fellow Somalilanders.The only Somalilanders in the diaspora who interact with Somalians are the once who are living in scandinavian countries.For most Isaaqs if their daughter married a Darood or a Hawiye there would be an honor killing happening.

im darood and my mom is isaaq, you obviously don't know shit about somali culture and how it works. Your just a disgruntled virgin who gets all his info from the internet.

 

[Mr.Haggis]

Nah...nah...nah!!! my nigga. I'm telling you that's higher than saudi arabia's gdp and they have lots of oil.

Somalia has at least 110 billion barrels of oil so its 110 billion times the price of 63 dollars (current price)

20 billion barrels of oil is equal to 900 billion dollars. you do the maths.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-largest-continuous-field-discovered-U-S.html

plus there is gas in somalia and uranium. somalia could generate even more than 12 trillion dollars. the country is filled with natural resources.

 

[Mr.Haggis]

Nah...nah...nah!!! my nigga. I'm telling you that's higher than saudi arabia's gdp and they have lots of oil.

Saudi used to have 260 billion barrels of oil. they only have little left. both the uae and ksa are running out of oil.