Somalians Need To Accept Difference

[DR OSMAN]

Somalians have this 'my mentality must be right and therefore it applies to all' and this mentality is actually not going to work in a world of differences and differences creates differing interests and policies. People do not have the same priority or objective or goals. It's like this, say I am an IT guy, as a Somali I can't fathom to accept another person down the street is not an IT guy and have the same goals as me in life.

They love to place their mentality and life upon others and not accept that NO the other person may have different path and priorities or goals to him. They don't even reach this stage of maturity in their mind which is very 68 IQ level.

PL for example has different priorities to other Somalis in history and even today. Their most important priority is GOBANIMO and being independent from foreign influence be it economically, militarily, politically. Not just foreign influence but also 'other tribe influence'. Can't we just accept this for PL? This is their whole history was like this. Their not going to change because you don't like that. They died protecting this all their history. Boqor Osman had a foreign policy department and he would send delegations to Italy to ensure their agreement was beneficial.

He would ensure he protected the 'trade route' and in return he got 'weapons'. There was nothing else to his agreement. What did Boqor Osman do with his weapons? Did he go around trying to conquer all Somalis? no he just protected his Border, territory, and integrity of the Majerten Clan. He wanted a Kingdom of sort and similar model to Oman where they are free from foreign meddling, political interference, economic embargos while being totally independent. I believe he had close relations to that state because they used to run 'Southern Somalia' using their Zanzibar Colony.

Sultan Keenadiid had different policy to Boqor Osman and wanted to extend the kingdom territory which is what caused the war between him and boqor osman who was only concerned with Majerten tribes-men. He didn't care for other clans to be in his kingdom. But Keenadiid wasn't happy with that policy it seems and launched a COUP and it failed and he fled the land only to return with 300 yemeni soldiers to begin his own kingdom outside of Hobyo and controlling Mudug-Galgaduud.

While Boqor Osman controlled Bari-Nugaal. Sultan of Makhir had his own territory the Warsangeli land. Now if all went to plan, it would've been highly likely these kingdoms would've united since they were all 'daarood and harti' and shared a common xeer. A common xeer allows for stability and peace and justice. This would've allowed them to create an administration because if there is peace you can build anything and their Xeer ensured peace was on the land. There is reports of Boqor Osman and Sultan of Makhir uniting their forces to stop the 'darawish' invasion into their territories. So as you can see these kingdoms worked together for their common good and common survival.

Would Keenadiid and Boqor Osman work together if Zanzibar invaded Either kingdom? possibly but only history will tell. However their was not threat at the time from Hawiye or Isaaq or Dir or any other clan in Somalia, because they were not an administration and had no structures beyond 'clan elders and different tribal laws' yes they had tribal laws or else you can't survive without some sort of law to keep the peace but they never went to the next stage to create a 'kingdom' or even a 'state'. This is why Sayid saw Isaaq as 'potential citizens' in his 'state' while Keenadiid saw 'Hawiye' as potential citizens in his state. They weren't seeking to 'slave' hawiye or Isaaq but saw them as 'state-less' at the time and wanted to use that manpower to support the sayid state or the boqor osman/keenadiid kingdom project.

Anyways the point is that is HISTORY. U need to know the history but u also need to know the culture of the people your dealing with before you make any blanket statements. There is no point applying western thinking into a somali context since the people are not westerners beyond some western thinking such as 'sciences' which is OBJECTIVE law and applies to all societies irrespective of culture. I don't mind the sciences being used to analyze Somalis, but not western cultural thought since their from farming societies and always were in a society based on 'land owners vs peasants' their was always a heirachy in their society and this is totally not applicable to an independent nomadic Somali who has his own wealth and doesn't need to report to anyone unlike the farming communities that requires negiotation between owner and labor.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Damn where is Teeri Alpha. I tried @ him but his name has disappeared. Is He banned or something? I love my debates with him. It's very thought provoking and not just 'one line warrior' but evidence gathering and conclusions on hard facts or events.

I wish he sees this and learns the Majerteen are damn GOB. Same with Warsangeli. They annexed their territories and clans-men, established a common xeer which is the 'darod' xeer that applies to all darod men across Somalia. But from there they achieved stability and peace and the foreign world was changing at the time into alliances and nation states. They quickly began restructuring and creating an administration with a head of state(sultan or king) and administration(elected officials) that dealt with internal matters and external matters(foreign policy department). They economic trade routes established with a number of nations and military deals with their foreign partner. In return they only provided 'assurance' the trade route of the gulf-aden and Indian ocean would be protected in their 'sphere or territory'. They gave them nothing else on their side. The MJ/Warsan were nothing like Isaaq who took Isaaq by the thousands to go to Europe and join their wars. That's not a treaty, that's a colony. Plus the Queen would visit Isaaq areas as HEAD OF STATE, they had no administration or recognized King or Sultan that ran that place. Their head of state was Queen elizabeth and why they joined her wars singing god save the queen. Lacnatullah alaykh

They were doing these things which Isaaq and Hawiye were clue-less of and remained state less at the time, even though Hawiye/Isaaq had their own tribal laws and had some sort of law and order between themselves. Sayid noted Isaaq had common xeer(habar magaadle not HJ) while Hawiye had a common Hiraab Xeer.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The Hawiye destroyed the only sultanate they had Ajuuraan. Then they destroyed the only state Somalis shared in their history in 1991. 2 strikes against hawiye, an emerging pattern for historians to analyze this clan why they hate governance. Kingdom Majerteniya iyo Kingdom of Makhir waxaa burburiyay shisheeye ma ahayn beelaha ku hos noola. The warsangeli sultan was jailed. The King of Majerten was bombarded by the italian navy and then the king was sent to PRISON in Mogadishu colony in 1929. This is when Majerten joined 'koonfurta' in 1929 and immediately began the SYL party which is showing a pattern of 'gobanimo' is absolutely at the heart of this tribe culture.

Another fact for historians to examine is to determine why Irir are Savages who destroy administrations from the inside where-as darods always cherish governance and can only be broken from the outside not INSIDE.

I am always defending 'darod' yes but based on observable historical facts and analysis not just emotional rants and what I love to be true when there is nothing to support my conclusions.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Let's accept this fact based on history. Darod gets destroyed from outside external forces. Hawiye/Isaaq destroy nations from within not so much outside the nation is not their threat. The state that is built needs to recognize this and create strong internal structures to ensure not a repeat of the same ajuuran sultanate that hawiye destroyed or the 1991 debacle that hawiye/isaaq destroyed using 'urban' warfare and to coward to fight darod who is equipped with 200 years or more conventional warfare outside the city gates. It doesn't help Darod doesn't unite on a common interest to protect the state. This must be added to our ancient xeer that politics or interests are not allowed when the state is endangered from inside by irir animals.