As Puntlanders or Somalis in general we always go back n forth on topics without setting an 'agenda' or 'criteria' before hand to guide our discussions and grow from it and reach a consensus at the end, it's usually just FKD, FKD has no agenda or criterias or measurements for it's discussion, it's just simply going back n forth. That's why you never see any solutions achieved when-ever you attend Somali cafes, they sit there for decades going back n forth and no-one has nudged a bit on they're positions or principles.
We always argue one govt is good another govt is bad and it usually ends there and we repeat the cycle for another 30 years and our kids pick up where we left off and carry on this mindless shit.
As a prerequiste to any discussion between us the newer generation, let's set the Criteria and Agenda of our discussion here so there is no more going back n forth and mindless arguments. We can then measure our points and arguments against the criteria or agenda and finally reach some sort of consensus. I think this is what @PuntiteQueen has been calling for, to bring some sanity to our discussion so we don't just go back n forth in FKD. We know FKD produces no results in the end.
Let's start with the simple question what is a Government? Let's agree to what the hell is this term and what do we expect from it. This will be a long discussion because governments can be kingdoms, sultanates, dictatorships, theocracies(Mosque or Church Rules) or Democracies where the people decide who rules. This in itself will be a very long discussion.
Rather then going into the above area which will lead into a chaotic scene, let's settle some basics or what do we expect from a government. This is far easier to settle on what we expect from a government then what actually constitutes a government.
I say a good criteria of a government is it provides the following as a bare minimum to qualify itself as a 'government'. If you have other criterias, please include it.
1. Basic services. Like clean water to the whole population, Sewages to take away our waste, roads, hospitals, schools(primary, secondary, higher learning), energy needs of the state such as electricity to each home or person in they're jurisdiction. If anyone of these basic services are missing, I honestly do not view them as a REAL government, they are not fulfilling some of the basic things human being need. I need a place to drink clean fresh water, I need a place to seek medical advice when sick, I need the ability to move from A to B and without roads I can't do this. I need the ability to turn on my lights at home or TV or phone or Laptop and not worry there is going to be an 'outage' for 2 days because the infrastructure can't support such demand from the population.
2. Security. This is a big one and we talk about it constantly in Somalispot, most articles are always around someone got killed or some bomb happened. This is security issue. If a government cannot provide me security of my life and also protect my 'assets' like properties, cars, investments. I do not deem this a government. The rule of law and security is another key index that I use to measure a government performance. Are people safe, low crime rate, low mortality, are the police honest and not corrupt.
I expect a government not only to provide internal security for it's population, but external security from neighboring countries or neighboring administrations. If you can't protect the land your government claims jurisdiction, this is a big 'hole' in your government. Sool is a big issue to me and makes me feel PL isn't real government, since they are not protecting the land they claim as apart of they're jurisdiction from external actors in SL. Qandala is also another big embarassment as @Cognitivedissonance claims which is true, how are you government when 40 boys are in your mountains claiming they are 'government' and terrorizing your citizens? maxad dawlad ku tahay hadi aadan amniga umadina ilashan karin?
3. Legal system such as reliable civilian courts to handle civilian disputes, criminal courts to prosecute criminals in the land, and government court you may call it supreme court or high court, but a court to handle government itself. I want the president to be jailed if he breaches his oath to office of the presidency. We also need it to end disputes between the parliament and government on they're duties and responsibilities. We need someone policing the government to ensure it doesn't go beyond it's responsibilities.
4. Civilians who take advantage of the opportunity provided by they're government and utilize it to better themselves. Citizenry that trusts and works with they're government with no suspicion as they trust the institutions in place and do not rely on 'ninkani waa dacad iyo in kale', the institution will make him 'dacad' by force. Citizenry that upholds the law itself, reports corruption anywhere it happens, reports enemy activities internally or externally inside PL not hide them in they're homes or mountains.
This is the basic guideline or agenda I set on what we expect from the government. If you got something else to add, please do so. Now let's be fair and measure each government in Somalia across these criterias and 'grade' them from 1 to 10 and in the end we will come up with a end score. Pure maths and number crunching now. C
Cause as Somalis we don't dispute what a government is and what is expected from one, what we dispute is who we see as a government and who we see as not a government and this may have to do with our tribal prejudices or political prejudices(central vs federal vs islamist). So this will end anyone using tribal/political prejudices and we will just use the guideline I set above to measure each government using criterias for each area of 'basic services, security, legal institution, citizenry cooperation'.
What do you guys say? can we start measuring PL/JL/SL/SFG/KGS/HS based on scientific criterias rather then tribal prejudices and political preferences? let's measure them on who actually deliver services, who actually provides security internally/externally, who actually has strong citizenry cooperating with it like paying taxes, reporting crime, and taking advantage of the opportunities available in the land(not sitting for khat).
This will end our silly FKD disputes and become scientific Wallahi, I am sick of seeing the same topic of SFG VS PL. SFG VS SL. It's never ending and it's purely based on tribal prejudice or political prejudice not on anything about what a REAL government does.
We always argue one govt is good another govt is bad and it usually ends there and we repeat the cycle for another 30 years and our kids pick up where we left off and carry on this mindless shit.
As a prerequiste to any discussion between us the newer generation, let's set the Criteria and Agenda of our discussion here so there is no more going back n forth and mindless arguments. We can then measure our points and arguments against the criteria or agenda and finally reach some sort of consensus. I think this is what @PuntiteQueen has been calling for, to bring some sanity to our discussion so we don't just go back n forth in FKD. We know FKD produces no results in the end.
Let's start with the simple question what is a Government? Let's agree to what the hell is this term and what do we expect from it. This will be a long discussion because governments can be kingdoms, sultanates, dictatorships, theocracies(Mosque or Church Rules) or Democracies where the people decide who rules. This in itself will be a very long discussion.
Rather then going into the above area which will lead into a chaotic scene, let's settle some basics or what do we expect from a government. This is far easier to settle on what we expect from a government then what actually constitutes a government.
I say a good criteria of a government is it provides the following as a bare minimum to qualify itself as a 'government'. If you have other criterias, please include it.
1. Basic services. Like clean water to the whole population, Sewages to take away our waste, roads, hospitals, schools(primary, secondary, higher learning), energy needs of the state such as electricity to each home or person in they're jurisdiction. If anyone of these basic services are missing, I honestly do not view them as a REAL government, they are not fulfilling some of the basic things human being need. I need a place to drink clean fresh water, I need a place to seek medical advice when sick, I need the ability to move from A to B and without roads I can't do this. I need the ability to turn on my lights at home or TV or phone or Laptop and not worry there is going to be an 'outage' for 2 days because the infrastructure can't support such demand from the population.
2. Security. This is a big one and we talk about it constantly in Somalispot, most articles are always around someone got killed or some bomb happened. This is security issue. If a government cannot provide me security of my life and also protect my 'assets' like properties, cars, investments. I do not deem this a government. The rule of law and security is another key index that I use to measure a government performance. Are people safe, low crime rate, low mortality, are the police honest and not corrupt.
I expect a government not only to provide internal security for it's population, but external security from neighboring countries or neighboring administrations. If you can't protect the land your government claims jurisdiction, this is a big 'hole' in your government. Sool is a big issue to me and makes me feel PL isn't real government, since they are not protecting the land they claim as apart of they're jurisdiction from external actors in SL. Qandala is also another big embarassment as @Cognitivedissonance claims which is true, how are you government when 40 boys are in your mountains claiming they are 'government' and terrorizing your citizens? maxad dawlad ku tahay hadi aadan amniga umadina ilashan karin?
3. Legal system such as reliable civilian courts to handle civilian disputes, criminal courts to prosecute criminals in the land, and government court you may call it supreme court or high court, but a court to handle government itself. I want the president to be jailed if he breaches his oath to office of the presidency. We also need it to end disputes between the parliament and government on they're duties and responsibilities. We need someone policing the government to ensure it doesn't go beyond it's responsibilities.
4. Civilians who take advantage of the opportunity provided by they're government and utilize it to better themselves. Citizenry that trusts and works with they're government with no suspicion as they trust the institutions in place and do not rely on 'ninkani waa dacad iyo in kale', the institution will make him 'dacad' by force. Citizenry that upholds the law itself, reports corruption anywhere it happens, reports enemy activities internally or externally inside PL not hide them in they're homes or mountains.
This is the basic guideline or agenda I set on what we expect from the government. If you got something else to add, please do so. Now let's be fair and measure each government in Somalia across these criterias and 'grade' them from 1 to 10 and in the end we will come up with a end score. Pure maths and number crunching now. C
Cause as Somalis we don't dispute what a government is and what is expected from one, what we dispute is who we see as a government and who we see as not a government and this may have to do with our tribal prejudices or political prejudices(central vs federal vs islamist). So this will end anyone using tribal/political prejudices and we will just use the guideline I set above to measure each government using criterias for each area of 'basic services, security, legal institution, citizenry cooperation'.
What do you guys say? can we start measuring PL/JL/SL/SFG/KGS/HS based on scientific criterias rather then tribal prejudices and political preferences? let's measure them on who actually deliver services, who actually provides security internally/externally, who actually has strong citizenry cooperating with it like paying taxes, reporting crime, and taking advantage of the opportunities available in the land(not sitting for khat).
This will end our silly FKD disputes and become scientific Wallahi, I am sick of seeing the same topic of SFG VS PL. SFG VS SL. It's never ending and it's purely based on tribal prejudice or political prejudice not on anything about what a REAL government does.
