Somalia succeeded Where Rome failed

China has a population is 2 billion, because thousands of years ago, they conquered 100s of smaller groups to create the “Han Chinese” identity. Rome tried with Europe and almost succeeded but failed, which led to the idea of “country”, essentially the fallout of the collapse of the Roman Empire led to small clans becoming kindoms, which led to governments.

The premise of my argument is that Somalia has succeeded where Rome failed 1700 years ago. we have a homogeneous people with the same religion, language, and value systems. I think the idea of “government” is byproduct of a collapse civilization. A Somali will always be a Somali wherever he goes, and will create more Somalis. The idea of government or country is just modern day serfdom used to lock people to the land because there is no unifying alternative. To the Europeans, “land” is a prison. And Somalis don’t have that problem, and we should stop looking to Europe as a solution to our problems.
 
the modern nation state is suffocating for a roaming people like Somalis. Sadly, you cannot organize an alternative. Everything is connected to the state and without the state, the Somali people don't have legitimacy on the global political stage.
 
the modern nation state is suffocating for a roaming people like Somalis. Sadly, you cannot organize an alternative. Everything is connected to the state and without the state, the Somali people don't have legitimacy on the global political stage.
You are right and one of the reason is because unlike say in places like France, the modern nation-state was imposed on us by foreigners and did not develop organically. This a probelm in many of the new countries in the global south.
 
China has a population is 2 billion, because thousands of years ago, they conquered 100s of smaller groups to create the “Han Chinese” identity. Rome tried with Europe and almost succeeded but failed, which led to the idea of “country”, essentially the fallout of the collapse of the Roman Empire led to small clans becoming kindoms, which led to governments.

The premise of my argument is that Somalia has succeeded where Rome failed 1700 years ago. we have a homogeneous people with the same religion, language, and value systems. I think the idea of “government” is byproduct of a collapse civilization. A Somali will always be a Somali wherever he goes, and will create more Somalis. The idea of government or country is just modern day serfdom used to lock people to the land because there is no unifying alternative. To the Europeans, “land” is a prison. And Somalis don’t have that problem, and we should stop looking to Europe as a solution to our problems.
You are not suggesting we revert back to being true nomads roaming the desert with our camels similar to Roma people of Europe, are you? I think we have trekked farther away from that, and lost required skills of living off the land. Could you imagine today’s Somalis going without food and water for a day, let alone a month? They would commit suicide in no time the same way European subalterns did in their initial attempts to mimic desert dwellers.
 

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In a sense i agree with you.

However in the modern times it is more of a nuisance to have to population roam the realm instead of living in enormous cities.

A goverment is needed to guide the nation with the mandate given by the people. Goverments have always existed, they just upgraded with time.
 
rome succeeded somewhat

you have the latin diaspora (french, italian, iberian, romanian) who still proudly speak about their roman roots, even though none of them are genetically roman asides from the italians and romanians. The french are celtic/germanic gauls originally, and iberians are visigoths, another germanic tribe. and all of them are catholic asides from romanians

also, somalis are a singular ethnic group with a single language. whereas rome was comprised of multiple ethnic groups
 
This is spread of western culture that spans every aspect of modern day life. That unites America Europe Australia. Kaa hishood the great Roman Empire 😆
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There are countries that are way more homogeneous than us. Poland, Belarus, south Korea, Japan. Somalia is 85% ethnic somali, if you remove Somaliland che percentage drops significantly. If you consider official statistics we are considered a very heterogeneous country obviously because of qabil. How can we benefit from having a homogeneous society when we have more conflict than countries that have hundreds of ethnicities and languages? It doesn't matter how homogeneous we are if we keep fighting each other. The harsh reality is that back home people are their qabil first and then somalis. Maybe in the diaspora there's more sense of Somali identity because we are a minority
 
Somalia is 90 percent Ethnic Somali according to the standards set for other countries. Somalis are just stubborn about Abtirsi, Cadcads and Shiddle are Somali ethnically and speak Somali and eat the same food and dress like Somalis but because they don’t have a Somali great great grandfather Somalis don’t count them as Somali.

in fact even the Pokomo in Tana speak Somali and dress like Somalis at this point. We have a strong culture that assimilates people.
 

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