Somalia is better now economically, then under Siad Barre's regime.

It's thanks to free market capitalism, those with money today have the potential to make more. But the long term damage is prevalent, Somalis relied on a government to make a living.
 
The country used to harvest and refine its own sugar, had countless banana, mango and etc farms, had cotton farms and used to make its own clothes at large scale and we used to also export these product.

Now the only 2 companies worth mentioning are Hormuud and dhahabshiil, a telecom and a remittance company.

Btw the 6 Somali airliners you mentioned all rent their planes from a Kenyan firm.
 
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Gdp improves with tine in all countries. Our population grew in the last 30 years.
Under Siad Barre we didn't have people dying of starvation, hundred of thousands somalis died duiring the drought /fammine in 2011-2012 . Famine also used to happen under Siad but during "abaarti dabadheer" in the 70s Siad governement relocated affected nomads in the south. This would be impossible now.
Telecommunications improved , this is true but it happened all over the world. Duiring siad barre times most of the world didn't even have internet so of course telecommunications got better .
Basic services like water, electricity etc are probably worse now.
Somalia is a FAILED STATE now. We weren't a failed country before 1991 . This is a FACT
 

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The country used to harvest and refine its own sugar, had countless banana, mango and etc farms, had cotton farms and used to make its own clothes at large scale and we used to also export these product.

Now the only 2 companies worth mentioning are Hormuud and dhahabshiil, a telecom and a remittance company.

Btw the 6 Somali airliners you mentioned all rent their planes from a Kenyan firm.
This is lies. The banana export was handled by the Italian colonizers and disappeared right after they left. We didn’t export anything under Siad besides livestock.
 
And also let's remember why most of yall are living in the west. Somalis didn't need to emigrate during siad Barre's era , right now thousands of youngsters from SL,PL and the rest of Somalia are risking their lives to leave the country. Back in the days of Siyaad our student's had free or affordable education, our universities were recognized. Now we have fake corrupt University that have zero international credibility and our students need to study in Sudan, Malaysia etc to get a reliable degree.
Before 1991 many faculties in the somali national university were taught by top quality italian professors who were payed by our government, right now anyone in Somalia can teach in uni or claim to be a doctor/engineer with zero qualifications
 

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Gdp improves with tine in all countries. Our population grew in the last 30 years.
Under Siad Barre we didn't have people dying of starvation, hundred of thousands somalis died duiring the drought /fammine in 2011-2012 . Famine also used to happen under Siad but during "abaarti dabadheer" in the 70s Siad governement relocated affected nomads in the south. This would be impossible now.
Telecommunications improved , this is true but it happened all over the world. Duiring siad barre times most of the world didn't even have internet so of course telecommunications got better .
Basic services like water, electricity etc are probably worse now.
Somalia is a FAILED STATE now. We weren't a failed country before 1991 . This is a FACT
we were pretty much a failed state after the 77 war. Economy was in the gutter it was only a matter of time till total collapse. The question was not if but when. When you have a struggling economy and take a decisive defeat to a neighbor country who now has military dominance over you , you pretty much sealed your own fate as a failed state.
 

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Good thread. Indeed the economy is better now than it was under #FailureSiad. But the living conditions are still horrible due to: clan warfare, terrorism, and lack of jobs. All this stems from Siad Barre failure. The cancer of qabiilism/qabyaalad was first weaponized by Siad and that horrible decision affected all Somalis mentally with a sick way of thinking. The terrorism and lack of jobs is due to Siad destroying the country and making it a free for all between different groups for control. Al Qaeda had networks in Sudan and other parts of Africa close to us. The terrorist group Al-Ittihad actually reached out to Osama’s group in Sudan during this time period. Terrorism wouldn’t have gained a foothold in Somalia if Siad didn’t destroy the government and our military. He screwed our military over in 77 and since that time it was weak. Then he used a weak SNA for Qabiil related retaliations thus breaking the fabric of the nation and destroying it forever
 
This is lies. The banana export was handled by the Italian colonizers and disappeared right after they left. We didn’t export anything under Siad besides livestock.
False.

Banana production in Somalia dominated the agricultural sector since the 70’s,
and with periodic lows during the civil war, until 1997. In its prime periods, the
banana sector has been Somalia’s second most important foreign exchange
earner after livestock. It provided between 8 000-10 000 jobs in the production
zones and guaranteed a steady cash-influx of up to 1 million USD per month.
Civil unrest and floods in 1997 devastated the industry. No other crop or rural
based industry has yet replaced the essential economic role of the banana
sector, putting large sections of the population in the affected zones at risk to
food insecurity and poverty.


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we were pretty much a failed state after the 77 war. Economy was in the gutter it was only a matter of time till total collapse. The question was not if but when. When you have a struggling economy and take a decisive defeat to a neighbor country who now has military dominance over you , you pretty much sealed your own fate as a failed state.
If siad barre was the problem why is somalia still a failed state after 30 years? Siad died 25 years ago and yet somali institutions (including SL and PL) have zero credibility. Again in 2011 and 2012 hundreds of thousands Somalis died of thirst and hunger , this didn't happen duiring siad Barre's times
I'm not saying everything was perfect, somalia was always a poor country but at least we had a proper governement and institutions.
Honestly I don't care about Siad, i would have been perfectly happy if he eas replaced by an effective governement but this didn't happen.
Somalia before 1991 was an average poor african country, right now we are the worst country in africa on many indicators.
 

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Somalia was a shithole who survived on foreign handouts and aid, I am glad and happy where we are now where every region has developed and can compete with each other economically and socially,MSB time was the worst time Somalis had lived, poverty,starvation, lack of education, genocide and imprisonment was a norm, I am happy Somalia was destroyed and many lives aren't subject to murder and jail under that atheist communist puppet anymore.:trumpsmirk:
 
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If siad barre was the problem why is somalia still a failed state after 30 years? Siad died 25 years ago and yet somali institutions (including SL and PL) have zero credibility. Again in 2011 and 2012 hundreds of thousands Somalis died of thirst and hunger , this didn't happen duiring siad Barre's times
I'm not saying everything was perfect, somalia was always a poor country but at least we had a proper governement and institutions.
Honestly I don't care about Siad, i would have been perfectly happy if he eas replaced by an effective governement but this didn't happen.
Somalia before 1991 was an average poor african country, right now we are the worst country in africa on many indicators.
This wacel nigga only appears when MSB is mentioned, shame on you defending the undefendable, bruh if you love the reer Baadiyo dictator just set up a temple on the corner of your bed and worship him but don't come up here and telling us he was a good guy when no other Somali has ever murdered as much Somalis as him,I am tired of these Aabo Kacaanist bastard kids praising a rat who was left to die in a toilet in Lagos, stop embarrassing your self you atheist worshiping assess.:bell:
 
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There is no justification of the kaccan morally it was corrupt and socially it heightened tribal tensions. It employed socialism a economic system incompatible with Somali society
 
This wacel nigga only appears when MSB is mentioned, shame on you defending the undefendable, bruh if you love the reer Baadiyo dictator just set up a temple on the corner of your bed and worship him but don't come up here and telling us he was a good guy when no other Somali has ever murdered as much Somalis as him,I am tired of these Aabo Kacaanist bastard kids praising a rat who was left to die in a toilet in Lagos, stop embarrassing your self you atheist worshiping assess.:bell:
Wecels are the ones who destroyed their country. I'm not a moryaan like you, ask your aabo(if you know who he is lol) and your hooyo how Siad Barre's times were. You talk about murder? How many territorist attacks did we have in the 70s and 80s? How many people got stoned or murdered by terrorists? Zero.
You talk about reer badiyees? Waryaa , the kacaan governement taught you af soomaali.The same language you use to insult me was written under Siad Barre's governement, lol.
 
There is no justification of the kaccan morally it was corrupt and socially it heightened tribal tensions. It employed socialism a economic system incompatible with Somali society
Is capitalism compatible with our society? You can't imagine how many people wre dying in IDPs while rich businessman do whatever they want
 
Somalia was a shithole who survived on foreign handouts and aid, I am glad and happy where we are now where every region has developed and can compete with each other economically and socially,MSB time was the worst time Somalis had lived, poverty,starvation, lack of education, genocide and imprisonment was a norm, I am happy Somalia was destroyed and many lives aren't subject to murder and jail under that atheist communist puppet anymore.:trumpsmirk:
Somalia is still a shit hole that survives with foreign aid. We still have starvation, war, poverty, imprisonment. What has changed? Well now we also have terrorism, stonings, murders, zero international credibility, no functioning institutions, no functioning embassies, no recognized or reliable university, no public education, no public healtcare, no women rights, no army, no decent police forces, no airforce, no naval force, no weapons to defend ourselves form al shaydan, no artillery or armed vehicles and we also have ethiopian, kenyan, burundian and ugandan armies in our territory.
Yep, thanks for proving once again that somalia is worse now
 
It was a shithole then and it’s a shithole now. Only difference is, back then, there was a modicum of respect in the international community. Now it’s a complete shit show. No respect anywhere.

Right now, individuals can make more money in Somalia, but it comes at a disastrous cost.

The only positive I see is federalism where a country as big as Somalia can move forward in a small incremental way.
 

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