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Somalia Experiencing Rapid Urbanization and Fastest Urbanizing Countires In the World
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I dont think that's correct because there is still a high rural percentage of Somalis.
The past decade has been kind to us. I reckon we are in the middle of the pack when compared to other African countries. The world will notice soon.
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Does he really believe Only 10 percent of Somalis are rural that is super fake news in some regions it surpasses 50 percent imo
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Rural areas are drops in the bucket compared to major cities/towns imo
It also depends on the definition of urban and rural as well.
Chaseyourdreamzz
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urban areas have grown substantially since the civil war I agree however I visited back home recently so Im basing on what I saw every region has different urbanization rates though
I'm pretty sure Rural = villages, he mentions it in the thread
If every single one of those 6000 villages contains 1000 people its already 6M in rural alone, when you add urban thats approximately 50% of the population so 9m, theres barely 3 million left for nomadic
3 million of 18m is 15 percent, and if the percentage goes up to 60% by 2030 as predicted, it will be 10% nomadic
We're going through the exact same thing as Saudi Arabia but on steroids due to climate change and conflict, Saudi is 85% urban 15% rural and 5% nomadic
When you drive on the highway in between Madinah and Mekkah you can even see some abandonned villages on the side of the road due to the how many people moved to nearby cities and towns for job opportunities and better services that they couldnt get in their small tuulo
Usually it never goes below 5% nomadic and 15% rural because theres always going to be people that enjoy that nomadic lifestyle cut off from society and most villages will turn to agriculture to feed the country
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Idk about that, theres many more problems
He was referring to the country as a whole and he gave stats
@Idilinaa came up with similar figures
Its actually crazy how everyone still uses 1980s stats, last population census before 2014 was in 1975 and every single paper I read uses these stats combined with the tiny the formal economy to come to a conclusion that Somalia is 80% nomadic or something
I think 10% is too low 15% is more accurate, but by 2030 it will definitely start getting closer to 10%
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Idk if this is good news or bad news, imagine if in 15-20 years Somalia is still the same, all the IDPS will start forming massive slums around cities, more urbanism is good but if the country keeps going on this path its quickly going to turn like Nairobi or Addis Ababa
The figure comes from the 2022 nationwide Household Budget Survey:
Most Somalis lived in rural areas across dispersed villages contrary to the common belief that they were largely nomadic. Today, however, the majority of Somalis live in towns and cities.
Urbanization has been highly decentralized, with the population spread across 114 towns and 30 cities throughout the country.
Many of these towns were formerly villages, reflecting not just the settlement of nomads but also population expansion, rural-to-urban migration for better opportunities and services, and a region-wide housing boom fueled by growing wealth and demand.
Pastoralists in particular transitioned to urban life as they accumulated wealth, leveraging livestock as financial assets to generate credit and liquidity. Others were pushed to urban centers by climate pressures, while some shifted into farming (including camel and cattle farming within towns) or into fishing across coastal towns/village settlements.
I plan to make a full post that provides broader context.
This mirrors the way explanations have been given about the Ogaden’s population census:
When comparing Somalia’s urbanization and population growth to Somalis in Djibouti, the NFD, and Ogaden, it becomes clear that Somalia’s transformation is primarily driven by economic activity and rising wealth/production. Ogaden, for instance, did not experience the same economic freedom under TPLF rule before 2018. Suppression and heavy taxation without development left most of its people rural or pastoralist/agro-pastoralist. Now, with liberalization, rapid urbanization is unfolding there as well.
Another key indicator that Somalia’s urbanization is tied to economic expansion comes from World Bank survey findings: around 90% of urban residents live in improved housing (villas or apartments), with land registration certificates, built on zoned and allocated plots unlike IDPs, who often live in makeshift and substandard shelters because of economic displacement. Most households supported themselves through income from wage labour or small businesses.
Most Somalis lived in rural areas across dispersed villages contrary to the common belief that they were largely nomadic. Today, however, the majority of Somalis live in towns and cities.
Urbanization has been highly decentralized, with the population spread across 114 towns and 30 cities throughout the country.
Many of these towns were formerly villages, reflecting not just the settlement of nomads but also population expansion, rural-to-urban migration for better opportunities and services, and a region-wide housing boom fueled by growing wealth and demand.
Pastoralists in particular transitioned to urban life as they accumulated wealth, leveraging livestock as financial assets to generate credit and liquidity. Others were pushed to urban centers by climate pressures, while some shifted into farming (including camel and cattle farming within towns) or into fishing across coastal towns/village settlements.
I plan to make a full post that provides broader context.
This mirrors the way explanations have been given about the Ogaden’s population census:
New Somali Regional Census puts the population at 2.5 million
People are complaining saying the new census puts us at 2.5 million instead of the old number of 10 million. This new census can't be real that would mean Afar region is more than us
www.somalispot.com
When comparing Somalia’s urbanization and population growth to Somalis in Djibouti, the NFD, and Ogaden, it becomes clear that Somalia’s transformation is primarily driven by economic activity and rising wealth/production. Ogaden, for instance, did not experience the same economic freedom under TPLF rule before 2018. Suppression and heavy taxation without development left most of its people rural or pastoralist/agro-pastoralist. Now, with liberalization, rapid urbanization is unfolding there as well.
Another key indicator that Somalia’s urbanization is tied to economic expansion comes from World Bank survey findings: around 90% of urban residents live in improved housing (villas or apartments), with land registration certificates, built on zoned and allocated plots unlike IDPs, who often live in makeshift and substandard shelters because of economic displacement. Most households supported themselves through income from wage labour or small businesses.
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As in a lot of the problems such as establishing farmland and other nationwide systems or anything else that involves jubaland we cant do it because alshabaab will kill the people working on it and or sabotage the equipment so all the problems end up being made harder to fix
Yeah when I read the threah I thought the same, the little progress in agriculture that was made was completely destroyed in 2023
Yeah theres many such cases actually, I read that Shabab used to kill people trying to get aid from aid workers cause they considered them to be spies of the americans and fgs or something, significant progress cant be made inland as long as theres shabab
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The part that surprised me the most was when he said that parts of Somalia will become uninhabitable by 2050 due to climate change. Is this really true?
If you've ever been to Djibouti during the summer you'll understand, this is why djiboutians who can afford it flee the summer to Borama or Hargeisa, it becomes so hot at some point that plastic melts, theres a spike in elderly deaths every summer and the police go around with speakers at noon telling people to stay inside
My grandma told me before 2000 it was never like this
But theres even worse, some places in the Afar depression during the summer will have you boiling on spot, this is why Afars will never become great in number they will mostly stay nomads or live in coastal cities or along the Awash, they have the most inhospitable land in the horn of Africa
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We’re gonna face more urban problems like urban diets which have shit nutrition and lack of movement more then ever now.
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