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What does my self-esteem have to do with Ethiopia? Also we are not discussing Europe, stop deflecting. Just recognize that it has always been the West keeping Ethiopia alive, even today.

Because Ethiopia and half Europe were sovereign states, all members of the League of Nations and all were occupied. But you are only picking an African Country to call it colonialism because you think you as black are not worth to be equally treated. It only shows your level of self esteem. We see us as equals to Europeans :ftw9nwa: Their illegal occupation was not colonialism, so is ours, period. No double standard for the African man :ftw9nwa:
 

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1977 somalis conquered Ogaden in just a month against a country that has 10 times our population. It was like Belgium conquering 1/3 of France, unbelievable. We went to liberate our fellow somalis being oppressed in Ethiopia and they joined the somali army ranks, somalis from all clans fighting as one people to fulfill the purpose of our nation which was(and still is inshallah) to cancel colonial borders and unify somalis in one country.
40 years later somalis are divided in useless qabil states and engage in fadhi ku dirir 24/7 while our country is being invaded by kenya, ethiopia, Uae,Saudis, Westeners, Turkey.Even if you dislike Siad Barre and Kacaan , every somali can see what happened. Somalis United can do mighty things , somalis divided are the laughing stock of the world. That's a fact.
 
Because Ethiopia and half Europe were sovereign states, all members of the League of Nations and all were occupied. But you are only picking an African Country to call it colonialism because you think you as black are not worth to be equally treated. It only shows your level of self esteem. We see us as equals to Europeans :ftw9nwa: Their illegal occupation was not colonialism, so is ours, period. No double standard for the African man :ftw9nwa:
You cant deal with reality so you keep on bringing up Europe where we were discussing the colonization and liberation of Ethiopia by Europeans, not Ethiopians.

You keep bringing up the 'african man' yet the difference is they liberated their own land while the Europeans liberated yours.



Your entire history is made up of foreigners saving your country and keeping it alive, id advise you humble yourself knowing all that and allow the stupid 'merqan' sneak dissing.
 

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So with your definition, France and half Europe was colonized by Germany. Why am I even bothering giving lectures about basic general knowledge? :ftw9nwa:
Because Ethiopia and half Europe were sovereign states, all members of the League of Nations and all were occupied. But you are only picking an African Country to call it colonialism because you think you as black are not worth to be equally treated. It only shows your level of self esteem. We see us as equals to Europeans :ftw9nwa: Their illegal occupation was not colonialism, so is ours, period. No double standard for the African man :ftw9nwa:
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1977 somalis conquered Ogaden in just a month against a country that has 10 times our population. It was like Belgium conquering 1/3 of France, unbelievable. We went to liberate our fellow somalis being oppressed in Ethiopia and they joined the somali army ranks, somalis from all clans fighting as one people to fulfill the purpose of our nation which was(and still is inshallah) to cancel colonial borders and unify somalis in one country.
40 years later somalis are divided in useless qabil states and engage in fadhi ku dirir 24/7 while our country is being invaded by kenya, ethiopia, Uae,Saudis, Westeners, Turkey.Even if you dislike Siad Barre and Kacaan , every somali can see what happened. Somalis United can do mighty things , somalis divided are the laughing stock of the world. That's a fact.

Please niggah, Haile Selassie was removed in 1974 and Ethiopia saw 3 heads of states murdered after him. The country was in a civil war the derg fighting EPRP, EDU, TPLF, EPLF in Eritrea and many more. It is like when Ethiopia invaded Somalia in 2006 while Somalia was in a civil war. The Ethiopian army reached Mogadishu in 2 weeks but to this day you will not find a single Ethiopian that is proud of invading a country that is in a civil war. That is the difference between you and us.
 

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Because Ethiopia and half Europe were sovereign states, all members of the League of Nations and all were occupied. But you are only picking an African Country to call it colonialism because you think you as black are not worth to be equally treated. It only shows your level of self esteem. We see us as equals to Europeans :ftw9nwa: Their illegal occupation was not colonialism, so is ours, period. No double standard for the African man :ftw9nwa:
Honestly calling Ogaden occupation "colonialism" is probably incorrect since there are no xabashi settlers in Ogaden but we can clearly see why this term is used.
Ethiopia made deals with European colonial powers to damage their fellow horn africans. Even Menelik II basically sold his own habesha people in Eritrea to italians.
It's admirable that Ethiopia kept its independence but as somalis we use the term "colonialism " to counter the whole "Ethiopia was panafricanist and anti colonialist " narrative.
 
You cant deal with reality so you keep on bringing up Europe where we were discussing the colonization and liberation of Ethiopia by Europeans, not Ethiopians.

You keep bringing up the 'african man' yet the difference is they liberated their own land while the Europeans liberated yours.



Your entire history is made up of foreigners saving your country and keeping it alive, id advise you humble yourself knowing all that and allow the stupid 'merqan' sneak dissing.

As you may observed me I only react never open my mouth or brag. But when some delusional driven by khat merqan start provoking, I only try to help bring them down to reality from their hallucination or virtual reality.
:francis:
 

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Please niggah, Haile Selassie was removed in 1974 and Ethiopia saw 3 heads of states murdered after him. The country was in a civil war the derg fighting EPRP, EDU, TPLF, EPLF in Eritrea and many more. It is like when Ethiopia invaded Somalia in 2006 while Somalia was in a civil war. The Ethiopian army reached Mogadishu in 2 weeks but to this day you will not find a single Ethiopian that is proud of invading a country that is in a civil war. That is the difference between you and us.
That's a completly wrong example.
In 1977 Ethiopia was a functioning state, yes it had internal problems but it still had a relatively well equipped military with tanks, airforce, artillery, trained soldiers etc.
On the other hand somalia in 2006 had no government and was ruled by the Islamic courts union which were nothing but a militia made of young guys with zero military training and ak 47, zero airforce, zero tanks, zero artillery, not even armored vehicles just a bunch of low skilled infantry.
You can't even compare it.
 
Honestly calling Ogaden occupation "colonialism" is probably incorrect since there are no xabashi settlers in Ogaden but we can clearly see why this term is used.
Ethiopia made deals with European colonial powers to damage their fellow horn africans. Even Menelik II basically sold his own habesha people in Eritrea to italians.
It's admirable that Ethiopia kept its independence but as somalis we use the term "colonialism " to counter the whole "Ethiopia was panafricanist and anti colonialist " narrative.
Ok that is fair game.
 
As you may observed me I only react never open my mouth or brag. But when some delusional driven by khat merqan start provoking, I only try to help bring them down to reality from their hallucination or virtual reality.
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What is there to brag about? Your European masters saving you? That is not something to brag about but to be ashamed of, at least to Somalis.
 
That's a completly wrong example.
I'm 1977 Ethiopia was a functioning state, yes it had internal problems but it still had a relatively well equipped military with tanks, airforce, artillery, trained soldiers etc.
Om the other hand somalia in 2006 had no government and was ruled by the Islamic courts union which were nothing but militia made of young guys with zero military training and ak 47, zero airforce, zero tanks, zero artillery, not even armored vehicles just a bunch of low skilled infantry.
You can't even compare it.
No it was not a functioning state. Somalia invaded Ethiopia exactly during the climax of Ethiopian civil war known as RED TERROR in which tens of thousands of civilians were massacred. In fact the country was in turmoil since at least 1973. The military take over power and deposed the King. Then came the civil war between different groups who were seeking power. As I said in the last 3 years before 1977 three Ethiopian leaders were murdered before Mengistu took power.
 

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Ok that is fair game.
And to be fair , as I said I think it's admirable that Ethiopia kept it's independence and was able to beat the italians in adwa but in 1935 Ethiopia was completely defeated. The Ethiopian local resistance against Italians needs to be praised and was certainly important but Ethiopia was de facto liberated by allied forces mainly British. Without the Brits Ethiopia would have been an italian colony like Somalia and Eritrea.
I'm just looking at things from a historical point of view, I have nothing against Ethiopia as a country and I respect any african people who defended their country against colonialism.
 
And to be fair , as I said I think it's admirable that Ethiopia kept it's independence and was able to beat the italians in adwa but in 1935 Ethiopia was completely defeated. The Ethiopian local resistance against Italians needs to be praised and was certainly important but Ethiopia was de facto liberated by allied forces mainly British. Without the Brits Ethiopia would have been an italian colony like Somalia and Eritrea.
I'm just looking at things from a historical point of view, I have nothing against Ethiopia as a country and I respect any african people who defended their country against colonialism.
I am not denying that fact. I am only saying so was France and half of Europe all of them were liberated from Nazi Germany by the Soviets, Brits and USA. It was not colonialism, it was illegal occupation of a sovereign state and honestly no series historian calls it colonialism. Only butt hurt neighbours do that.
 

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No it was not a functioning state. Somalia invaded Ethiopia exactly during the climax of Ethiopian civil war known as RED TERROR in which tens of thousands of civilians were massacred. In fact the country was in turmoil since at least 1973. The military take over power and deposed the King. Then came the civil war between different groups who were seeking power. As I said in the last 3 years before 1977 three Ethiopian leaders were murdered before Mengistu took power.
I know about the red terror and the civil war, Siad Barre tried to take advantage of these problems which is logical but you compare 1977 Ethiopia with 2006 somalia.
In 1977 Ethiopia still had an equipped functioning army that had enough man power , according to wiki Ethiopia had between 25k and 47k soldiers at the beginning of the war while Somalia had 39k. At the end of the conflict Ethiopia had 75k (plus cuban and soviet support) while somalia had 63k. If you look at the death toll and compare it with the size of the two armies it's pretty obvious that Somalis hit Ethiopia extremely hard despite being technically disadvantaged and outnumbered.
Let's look at 2006 now. Ethiopia had trained soldiers, military equipment and was supported by Amisom countries/ USA and the Transitional Government of Somalia on the other hand as I said the islamic courts were just a bunc of low skilled militia rebels with zero military training and no military equipment, no tanks, no armored vehicles, no air power nothing. You can't even compare the two things. In 2006 Ethiopia wasn't fighting a country , it was fighting against a militia. The 1977 war was about two modern states with equipped armies fighting each other.
 
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According to wiki in the Ogaden war somalia had just 203 captured soldiers while Ethiopia had over 3000 captured soldiers. Back in the days somalis would rather die than be captured, they would fight till the end for somalinimo and somaliweyn.
Out of a total of of 63k soldiers we lost 8 k while Ethiopia lost 6k out of 75k. Basically almost the same number and they had between 12k and 24k Cuban soldiers and 1500 Soviet advisors on the other hand we only had help from our 15k Western Somali Liberation Front fighters who were (with all the due respect) a bunch of geeljire volunteers from Ogadenia.
 
So now a 1991 refugee from Boli qaran thinks he is Ethiopian just because his father managed to escape from USC .
Warya you are MX who sheeko itoobitan hano keenin.
Your Aabo idea was to invade Ethiopia which was very wrong in all aspects.

I don't think Kacanka had ikhlas when invading Ethiopia it was more of increasing their life span.
 
I know about the red terror and the civil war, Siad Barre tried to take advantage of these problems which is logical but you compare 1977 Ethiopia with 2006 somalia.
In 1977 Ethiopia still had an equipped functioning army that had enough man power , according to wiki with had between 25k and 47k soldiers at the beginning of the war while somalia had 39k. At the end of the conflict Ethiopia had 75k (plus cuban and soviet support) while somalia had 63 k. If you look at the death toll and compare it with the size of the two armies it's pretty obvious that somalis hit Ethiopia extremely hard despite being technically disadvantaged and outnumbered.
Let's look at 2006 now. Ethiopia had trained soldiers, military equipment and was supported by Amisom countries and the Transitional Government of Somalia on the other hand as I said the islamic courts were just a bunc of low skilled militia rebels with zero military training and no military equipment, no tanks, no armored vehicles, nothing. You can't even compare the two things. In 2006 Ethiopia wasn't fighting a country , it was fighting a militia. The 1977 war was about to modern states with equipped armies fighting each other.
Nah, Of course it is not the same as the 2006 but Ethiopia was in worse place to defend itself. Ethiopia was in a civil war, victims estimated from 50k to 700k. You can't also compare the two armies, except the air force, the Soviets supplied the Somali army with modern weapons prior to the war. Ethiopia was caught fully unprepared and with a chaotic government which is kiling each other and in the middle of a civil war. EPRP that was the main rival of the government was highly popular. The government was in disarray when Somalia invaded. In fact Siad Barre's invasion ended the civil war because all Ethiopians stood behind the government when they see an outsider is invading. Mengistu should thank Siad Barre in that.
 
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