Somalia Economic Model What Can Work?

[DR OSMAN]

I am not saying I have the answer for what sort of 'economic' model Somalia should adopt because it's a philosophy and will never end the opposing side of it. But I can compare what a Somali is worth in real sense of the market if 'valued' today.

$2 million dollars is what all your body parts are worth. It does seem to be highest 'product' value that I have seen. So let's compare what a westerner productivity over a life-time is.

He starts with 2 million dollars in terms of his own 'body' worth.
His life-time spending is 50k x 40 years of work. Thats 2 million worth of paying his taxes, general spending, cars, house, investing, or donating are all options he could've done in his life but what he did isn't the question, the fact he added back 2 million dollar worth cash has created businesses to respond to the demand and therefore hire more workers, it has provided the govt with two sources of tax revenues business/labour/product or service itself being transacted gets taxed.

So we could say safely a 'lower' end westerner on a modest 50k salary has generated 2 million dollars worth of value from his hard labor. So his basically 'worth' 4 million dollars by the time he returns to dirt.

@Teeri-Alpha is there any factor I may have forgotten here since your an economist? but is that a good 'estimate' based on the 'lower end' unskilled worker market rates in most western countries? we can scale to different levels of workers, professional, academic, govt, corporation, banks and collect another sample, but there is no need to becuz my point isn't to justify anything there but to work of their 'poorest' contribution.

If their poorest outside the welfare one and disabled cause their not included, I would think it's safe to say 50k is the unskilled industry salary of the west, outside of 'mcdonalds or minimum wage workers' and those types of places. I know there is some 'variation' like a general person won't start on 50k immediately as he gets a job and their will be cycles of working on 30-40k if your not experienced or something like that in the unskilled market.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha how we going to 'design' an economy in Somalia that actually works in principle not theory? I find a-lot of African economics isn't really based on principle but theory cut n pasted out of books and they have no clue if it works or not and just do as 'told'.

What are we trying to achieve from our locals is the first question we need to ask since they are the 'demand' and our govt is their representative to the private sector, how do we get them working together towards our economic policy? cause we need to define what that policy looks like.

Do we want the average worker dedicated to 30-40 years buying 1 house, 5 cars in a given life, and general spending in the economy in services and products? which is the wesern world. The question is how will it be done?

 

[Ras]

The average Ashkenazi Jew generates 1 million per capita in value - mainly intellectual property that economies are built on.

100-200k per year for cadaans - that take this IP and turn into useful products and systems.

50k for indoyhar - that build the stuff the above use for their economies.

20k for south East Asians and Latinos that prepare the raw materials for the Chinese, Koreans and Japanese use and other low skilled labour intensive work.

5k for Africans and Aborigines that sell raw materials to economies larger than them by digging them up with their own hands and living of subsistence farming.

We currently don't belong in any of the above categories since other than selling livestock we don't interface with the global economy.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

The average Ashkenazi Jew generates 1 million per capita in value - mainly intellectual property that economies are built on.

100-200k per year for cadaans - that take this IP and turn into useful products and systems.

50k for indoyhar - that build the stuff the above use for their economies.

20k for south East Asians and Latinos that prepare the raw materials for the Chinese, Koreans and Japanese use and other low skilled labour intensive work.

5k for Africans and Aborigines that sell raw materials to economies larger than them by digging them up with their own hands and living of subsistence farming.

We currently don't belong in any of the above categories since other than selling livestock we don't interface with the global economy.

sad but true, africans export raw material with no added value, jews get 30% of nobles despite being 0.2% of the human race,

issues with Africans is its too bloody risk to manufacture in their countries, the presidents wife's nephew will rob you if you start a successful business, same with arabs, and sub continent, in India, unless you know a politician its very hard to get ahead,

 

[Ras]

sad but true, africans export raw material with no added value, jews get 30% of nobles despite being 0.2% of the human race,

issues with Africans is its too bloody risk to manufacture in their countries, the presidents wife's nephew will rob you if you start a successful business, same with arabs, and sub continent, in India, unless you know a politician its very hard to get ahead,

Maybe we'll create a 6th category to solve that issue and make us wealthy at the same time.

I can't see geeljire working 10 hour shifts as a cog in some huge industrial economy.

Neither would we be able to change our intellectual culture overnight and catch up on thinking up new IP.

Only option left to us is scale up our livestock economy but this time herd more valuable livestock...

If we can increase the value they generate we could skim of the top like the yahuud do to cadaans.

Maybe that could be the 6th category fit for us.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

I am not saying I have the answer for what sort of 'economic' model Somalia should adopt because it's a philosophy and will never end the opposing side of it. But I can compare what a Somali is worth in real sense of the market if 'valued' today.

$2 million dollars is what all your body parts are worth. It does seem to be highest 'product' value that I have seen. So let's compare what a westerner productivity over a life-time is.

He starts with 2 million dollars in terms of his own 'body' worth.
His life-time spending is 50k x 40 years of work. Thats 2 million worth of paying his taxes, general spending, cars, house, investing, or donating are all options he could've done in his life but what he did isn't the question, the fact he added back 2 million dollar worth cash has created businesses to respond to the demand and therefore hire more workers, it has provided the govt with two sources of tax revenues business/labour/product or service itself being transacted gets taxed.

So we could say safely a 'lower' end westerner on a modest 50k salary has generated 2 million dollars worth of value from his hard labor. So his basically 'worth' 4 million dollars by the time he returns to dirt.

@Teeri-Alpha is there any factor I may have forgotten here since your an economist? but is that a good 'estimate' based on the 'lower end' unskilled worker market rates in most western countries? we can scale to different levels of workers, professional, academic, govt, corporation, banks and collect another sample, but there is no need to becuz my point isn't to justify anything there but to work of their 'poorest' contribution.

If their poorest outside the welfare one and disabled cause their not included, I would think it's safe to say 50k is the unskilled industry salary of the west, outside of 'mcdonalds or minimum wage workers' and those types of places. I know there is some 'variation' like a general person won't start on 50k immediately as he gets a job and their will be cycles of working on 30-40k if your not experienced or something like that in the unskilled market.

Dr, you keep saying what we are worth and what we can generate?

do you ever ask yourself what determines how much a human can generate? how much they are worth to their countries?

its not fixed, we can take a shythole nation and in less than 1 generation make it worth a lot more, make it very productive

let me share a secret with you, its called "capital structure" and "division of labour" in economics and also "marginal utility"

 

[Farjano-Walad]

south korea was poorer than ethiopia in 1965, even poorer than Ghana and even Tanzania believe it or not, bombed, millions killed by north korea in the korean war of 1950-1953, mines everywhere and half the nation robbed by the soviets who created north korea, the nation divided, north koreas took all the heavy industries, factories,

the good news: every and any race can become a very high GDP,

he bad news: you need very honest dedicated political leaders who have a vision and will allow and defend any average Joe to start a business and he will be protected, not robbed when and if he becomes successful,

thats it, its called protected property rights, basically making sure the presidents nephew doesn't rob you,

so what is the secret? the ingredients that has taken shythole Asian tigers like Korea, Taiwan and Singapore and even china and japan?

capital savings, capital investing. allow business man to set up factories, sell their goods and employ people, if he makes a profit, thank god humans are greedy, he will reinvest it hoping he will make more money, he will employ more people,

then you will get a cycle of businessman competing for labour, labour becomes scarce and employers compete for them,

the factory worker is able to afford housing, and can afford feeding his kids, he sends his kids to school, more businessman produce more goods, it becomes cheaper, the factory workers son is now educated, he becomes an engineer,

the educated generation thanks to the honest government system that made sure their parents and the employers of their parents were not robbed, will start the next revolution, they go from manufacturing to high end goods, they buy raw materials and add massive value and create very high end goods like:

cars, satellites, ships, planes, software, micro chips, etc, they have the education, skills and the previous generation has created the wealth -both the infrastructure and more skilled labour -remember every father who worked his ass off educated his kid or the state was so honest, taxed little and used that tax to set up free schools for kids, the state first fed the cow and did not over milk the cow, once the cow was very fat and ready to be milked, they milked a little, i,.e that did not over tax or the presidents nephew did not rob factory owners and said hey warya hand it over it,

doctor, you make a laymans mistake which is very common, spending doesn't grow an economy,

all economic growth comes from saving.

think about it, you cannot spend if you dont have any businessman making the good first, so in order to spend, it must be produced first right? and in order to produce it, it must comes from 3 sorcerers:

you own savings

or someone else saved the money

or you borrowed from a bank, which is really them passing you savings from another person over to you,


another thing, no one can demand and pay for a good with out first saving.

think about it, when you buy something, like a car or from the supermarket, that money is either money you have worked and saved or borrowed from another person, and of course that person saved first in order to lend it to you, even if its your mum,


so all economic growth comes from saving, not spending as many layman wrongly assume, this is not yuor fault, its the media the spews this nonsense,

another thing, what i just mention is called Says law in economics

you can only spend if you Produce first

think about it, when you buy a car, you are exchange the money you either saved or borrowed (someone else saved i.e. worked for) to buy the car, so you produced or the Person you borrowed the money from produced value-goods/products/services, they or you got paid then you demanded your savings to buy the car,

this is Says law, and this greats what we call division if labour,

no human on earth can spend with our first producing and then earning the money s he can spend or borrowing from someone who produced first, earn the money and lent it to him.


JB Says was a french economist born in late 1769, every since he made his law, no economist has ever been able to refute it,

Savings comes first, then capital accumulation, then production, then spend/demand

thus all economic growth and improving living standards starts with savings,

this silly idea propagated by the media that spending grows economic growth always forgets its must be produced before someone can buy it, and one must having savings before one can spend it and one can only save money if one produces first and thus no economic growth cab occur with our saving first.

this is why many countries are poor, because on top of robbing those who save and want to invest, they always inflate their purchasing power with inflation, so the guy is robbed twice and why they are in a cycle of poverty these nations,

which is why i said the most fundamental thing a nation can do is make sure someone is not robbed when they create wealth,

why do indians get rich in the west and stay poor in india? because in idna the leaders will rob them, its about who you know

the west protected the cow, allowed it to get fat and then asked milk for it, poor nations are asking a skinny starving cow for milk when the cow needs to be fed first, the west defends property rights,


Bill gates created Microsoft, he did not need the permission or have links with a politician to create it, he was protected, when he floated his firm on the stock market he was not robbed, he was defended and alow to keep his money

then bill has invested in so many companies afterwards, if bill was an Ethiopian or Kenyan or indian or Egyptian or Arab he would not be allowed to do it with out links with a top heavy weight political ally,


a Scottish economist, free market Austrian school economist was finance minister of Hong kong in the 1960s, he did exactly what i talk about to the point where Hong kong became richer than the UK in 1983, her mother colonial master, Sir John James Cowperthwaite

he just allowed the businessman to do their job and he defend them when they got rich

it takes 4 hours to register for a business license in hong kong, yet it takes over 600 days in Egypt, and many bribes, this is why Egypt is poor,

7 Tigra generals and zinawis wife and daughter in Ethiopia robbed the nation, took everything, Abiy placed a lot of them in prison, some ran to sudan and else,

Africa is poor because states dont allow the average man to saving, on top of robbing him, they add insult to injury by inflating away his purchasing power of any money saved by inflation, a fancy term for when the state prints money , fiat de facto in Latin,



every responsible rich nation has a very stable country, this is why our ever Wise Nabi SAW ordered us to only use gold and silver, the state can not inflate it away like paper money, many dont actually know, paper money is xaraam, why? how? the Romans and even many cultures like ancient egypt, babylon used what we call fiat money, our every wise religion and God Allah lord of the worlds has told our nabi to only use Gold and silver,

paper money was forced on these colonial nations by the west during colonials, the human race has actually only ever been on what we call 1005 paper money since 1971 when Nixon took the dollar out of the Briton woods agreement and thus the world, since 1944 the US forced all nations to peg their currency to the dollar and the dollar to the gold standard, and all colonial nations forced their colonies to the Briton woods system,

before that we were on a defacto gold standard, so the human race has only been cursed with this system since 1971

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Maybe we'll create a 6th category to solve that issue and make us wealthy at the same time.

I can't see geeljire working 10 hour shifts as a cog in some huge industrial economy.

Neither would we be able to change our intellectual culture overnight and catch up on thinking up new IP.

Only option left to us is scale up our livestock economy but this time herd more valuable livestock...

If we can increase the value they generate we could skim of the top like the yahuud do to cadaans.

Maybe that could be the 6th category fit for us.

dont decide for others, leave it to them, they will do whatever it takes to chase that sexy thing called money , they may Manufacture and create services that will amaze you, money makes the world go around, never underestimate a man who is hungary saxib and is shown an opportunity to create wealth

the muslim world flourished for centuries because of this limited government that allow her people to chase their dreams,

 

[Farjano-Walad]

Dr i hope i have edcuated yuo,

i am not worried about culture or this or that, we can get a very developed high standard living economy what creates wealth and jobs,

the issue is culture, in governance, our people tolerate corrupt politicians who rob, because he is from my tuulo and imam his kin,

when we get honest government, we will rule the world,

the Romans, are a fascinating race, the Nabi SAW once said the bani al-asfar (children of the blonde) are much better than all of you when it comes to rights/law/human rights,

the Romans would allow slaves to buy their freedom and he would not be enslaved again, they would defend him, in court if he was re-enslaved,

they had property rights, when they conquered, they taxed very low and allowed trade, many people like it as the previous states used to rob and tax them more, sure they were ruthless if you fought them, but they created free market order and law and order and rights,


give me an honest government in Somalia for 25 years and i promise you the next bill gates will be created in here 100 times over

india was richer than china 40 years ago, yet today india is like 7 times poorer, why? it has 1.3 billion people, speak English, china has 1.4 billion, so same population, because india deep down is corrupt

why are 40% of self made millionaires in silicone valley indians, 40%, software geeks who have created billions in value, immigrant from Indian, why cant they make it work in Indian? because in silicone valley they dont need to have links with the local MP babu kumar, in India he has to kiss ass and pay bribes, kick backs, this is why 40% of silicone valley who make it there and not in India

 

[Ras]

dont decide for others, leave it to them, they will do whatever it takes to chase that sexy thing called money , they may Manufacture and create services that will amaze you, money makes the world go around, never underestimate a man who is hungary saxib and is shown an opportunity to create wealth

the muslim world flourished for centuries because of this limited government that allow her people to chase their dreams,

A man that's hungry will likely better himself but only as far as he can see.

If you leave it up to them they'll be happy with just clean water and a full belly.

If we're going to play this global game then I'm only interested in winning not just participating like xoolo who can't wait to sell their oil away.

 

[Farjano-Walad]

A man that's hungry will likely better himself but only as far as he can see.

If you leave it up to them they'll be happy with just clean water and a full belly.

If we're going to play this global game then I'm only interested in winning not just participating like xoolo who can't wait to sell their oil away.

i disagree, that is called socialism, the state thinking she knows better, its why the soviets failed and all the other socialist hell holes,

the states job is not to innovate, it will not work, her job is to defend life and property rights from domestic and foreign enemies,

people will amaze you what they can do, sure they can curate certain Policies to shape certain agendas but at the ed of the day it will not work,

the richest nations rose on top by leaving their people to first produce great thinks, we confuse it for the other way round, they provide freedom and property rights first, then people innovate and create wealth

first feed the cow and let him be free and comfortable,

 

[Ras]

i disagree, that is called socialism, the state thinking she knows better, its why the soviets failed and all the other socialist hell holes,

the states job is not to innovate, it will not work, her job is to defend life and property rights from domestic and foreign enemies,

people will amaze you what they can do, sure they can curate certain Policies to shape certain agendas but at the ed of the day it will not work,

the richest nations rose on top by leaving their people to first produce great thinks, we confuse it for the other way round, they provide freedom and property rights first, then people innovate and create wealth

first feed the cow and let him be free and comfortable,

I'm furthest from a Commie and I wasn't referring to that. I just want to herd livestock not national economies.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@RasCanjero The Nigerians tend to be the most successful among blacks, those niggas are smart as hell, dantooda way yaqanan mar walbo, he says hello brother but when u speak to him nigga look at his watch and measuring his time. I tend to see Indian tendencies in them though, they will sell u tommorow if they find the right buyer, they also in the racket game coming up with ingenius ideas making millions from nigeria like Indians do plus they excel in american university the highest quota of educated is the data I read in all america, they outbeating all ethnic groups developing the brain.

I noticed about successful ppl they have this 'drive inside them' and always 'careful on time wasting' and they are always on next thing or job or university or business, their alway on the move and u seem them happy and motivated there is no sense of 'defeat' in them wallahi. It's special trait because no matter how good u r if u dont have the drive nothing will happen.

I don't know call it will power or whatever but their not like somalis who just hang around wasting time, somalis give up after 'certain' point of 'comfort' these niggas dont

 

[DR OSMAN]

@RasCanjero one guy I know a white guy. He is about in 60s, he reached the top of our ministry, sitting in board room and shit level weeye with minister, he resigned and said I enuff of govt strict culture of 'fa'ido' on policies, money, results. He said he worked in that 'rigid' system for 30 years working his way up, he said I resigned and went back to university to do 'social work', he spent another 4 years studying. What suprised me is when he said 'I don't need to work, my kids are gone and I have 2 properties and life time pension from govt' why dont u just give up and go for cruise and travel and he said he will get bored of holidays and just wasting time talking all day. I want to do different things buu yiri that have benefit and give me WORTH. Wa dhaqan ku saabsan SELF WORTH OR 'FA'IDO' in australia. Where-as I know Somali wud run to Somalia and live his last years chewing khat and talking qabil, sxb we have to accept isku dhaqan ma aha dadyowga

Sxb I know this Ali Saleman woman @FBIsomalia come in, she was the ppl who came here as early as me and my family, sxb her husband died cuz he went back to bosaso back in the 90s and had crash near those mountain areas cuz it was bad back then apparently. His brother 'dumal' her, she took her kids for a while over there and she came back nigga wallahi she went studied accounting and when she found it hard to break the market, she studied nursing, wallahi never stopping. While other Somali women here especially hawiye/dir and shit are talking about 'arooski' last week. I sat down with her and said 'eedo' ma 'quusatid miyaa', she said no I want to be useful.

I also see 'generational' issue the old school 50-60s ppl sxb waa hard workers runti, i see it across whites they have the same mentality, it must be the coming of world war and the good times or something but they not easy on the next generation who are not as ambitious

 

[Tukraq]

The average Ashkenazi Jew generates 1 million per capita in value - mainly intellectual property that economies are built on.

100-200k per year for cadaans - that take this IP and turn into useful products and systems.

50k for indoyhar - that build the stuff the above use for their economies.

20k for south East Asians and Latinos that prepare the raw materials for the Chinese, Koreans and Japanese use and other low skilled labour intensive work.

5k for Africans and Aborigines that sell raw materials to economies larger than them by digging them up with their own hands and living of subsistence farming.

We currently don't belong in any of the above categories since other than selling livestock we don't interface with the global economy.

Indhoyaars make more money then cadaans, they should be number two at the least (asians versus ashkanazis is debatable)

 

[DR OSMAN]

Indhoyaars make more money then cadaans, they should be number two at the least (asians versus ashkanazis is debatable)

Tukraq asians don't impress me, never a single nobel bro, their good at knocking off tho, im not sure why somalis dont get to that level, its just COPYING and somalis are masters of that

 

[Tukraq]

Tukraq asians don't impress me, never a single nobel bro, their good at knocking off tho, im not sure why somalis dont get to that level, its just COPYING and somalis are masters of that

In America they earn 117% more than caddan counter parts, remember China and Japan are the top 3 economies and have already passed europe(China is even treating countries like Greece at the level of Kenya and stealing there ports) this is with whites putting in place measures like only allowing a certain number to Harvard(too many Asians with perfect SAT and GPAs) and having a bamboo ceiling business structure, where the top don’t allow them to keep moving up the business even if there the most qualified and do the bosses work for him, they would rather even a madow who don’t know shit moving up the ladder but never Asian

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Tukraq here is nobels by nation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country#Japan

It follows the same pattern I thought. Japan is good so 'china' technically should do the same but they were isolated from the world since 79 remember like north korea was kkkk so maybe that is factor to consider why they don't have many 'nobels'. But based on predictions of japan who focuses heavily on hard sciences around 'security' chemistry, physics, etc. They do so because after the war they felt 'vulnerable' by americans who had something they didn't, so they all started to learn this. It seems to be the same case their older people from that era or kids of that era are in fields that have huge influence on security. I think China will be the same. Those east-asians are 'security conscious' first. Somalis tend to be also, why not begin the march studying those fields because it's needed for weapons and advancement.

Australia isn't as security conscious focusing on the civil market areas like medicine, their happy and not interested in 'wars'. East asians are 'security first' and let be a man before I study the civil areas. Indians waa FUTO TOOS AH

 

[Tukraq]

@Tukraq here is nobels by nation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nobel_laureates_by_country#Japan

It follows the same pattern I thought. Japan is good so 'china' technically should do the same but they were isolated from the world since 79 remember like north korea was kkkk so maybe that is factor to consider why they don't have many 'nobels'. But based on predictions of japan who focuses heavily on hard sciences around 'security' chemistry, physics, etc. They do so because after the war they felt 'vulnerable' by americans who had something they didn't, so they all started to learn this. It seems to be the same case their older people from that era or kids of that era are in fields that have huge influence on security. I think China will be the same. Those east-asians are 'security conscious' first. Somalis tend to be also, why not begin the march studying those fields because it's needed for weapons and advancement.

Australia isn't as security conscious focusing on the civil market areas like medicine, their happy and not interested in 'wars'. East asians are 'security first' and let be a man before I study the civil areas. Indians waa FUTO TOOS AH

Trust me in the near future Australia will be a Chinese colony lol

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Teeri-Alpha East asians are like Ogadens niyahow. First security weeye, they lost the war, all their ppl study physics, chemistry, etc. The old generation I mean, maybe new generation will be different. But it doesnt look like it with their focus on 'cyber security'. North korea is identical, he dont give a f*ck about sanctions and being shut out from the world, he wants to come with a gus not a dirac first. Their not bad ppl as long as their not living in a world of hostage. China is next level shit to that but they also greedy though not as strict as north koreans who will prefer starving before losing their warrior status. Mongoolia waa aragta geesinimada kama tagayo awoowe buu lee yahay MONGOLS. He lives poor also, he doesnt care bro, it's about XINIYO FOR THEM FIRST AND THEN HORUMAR.

MJ ARE NOT AS STRICT AS OGS, WE WILL NEGIOTATE BEFORE WE DIE, WE WOULDNT ACCEPT HIROSHIMA WALLAHI BUT WE ALSO WANNA BE FREE, BUT NOT TO THE POINT OF 'XASUUQ' I SEE MY DAD FACE THEIR NOT INTERESTED IN WAR IN OFFENSIVE WAR ANYWAYS. PL IS PURE DEFENCE I KNOW THAT BY HISTORY AND EVEN NOW, WE DONT VENTURE OUT