Somalia and religious law

[GemState]

Fairly soon, Somalia will have to confront the hypocrisy it's condicting with regards to Sharia. The enforcement is purely cosmetic, yet every region claims to be implementing it. This is a criticism that fundamentalist groups like Shabab are absolutely correct when they point out.

Somalia has to be honest with the type of state it is trying to build, too often you hear people in Somalia say that implementing Sharia will just fix things, it's a totally utopian and illiterate position, and as Somalia becomes more educated as time goes on, more and more will point to the current hypocrisy and think proper enforcement of Sharia will just solve things.

Better to just come out and say that the state is secular, and that religion won't play a part in shaping of laws. Skirting around this will lead to this issue compounding and cause violence in the future.

 

[reer]

Fairly soon, Somalia will have to confront the hypocrisy it's condicting with regards to Sharia.

having ethiopian and kenyan troops + allowing qat.

 

[boyaboy1212]

Fairly soon, Somalia will have to confront the hypocrisy it's condicting with regards to Sharia. The enforcement is purely cosmetic, yet every region claims to be implementing it. This is a criticism that fundamentalist groups like Shabab are absolutely correct when they point out.

Somalia has to be honest with the type of state it is trying to build, too often you hear people in Somalia say that implementing Sharia will just fix things, it's a totally utopian and illiterate position, and as Somalia becomes more educated as time goes on, more and more will point to the current hypocrisy and think proper enforcement of Sharia will just solve things.

Better to just come out and say that the state is secular, and that religion won't play a part in shaping of laws. Skirting around this will lead to this issue compounding and cause violence in the future.

Exactly our country is so corrupt and hypocritical we need to figure things out quickly

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

Fairly soon, Somalia will have to confront the hypocrisy it's condicting with regards to Sharia. The enforcement is purely cosmetic, yet every region claims to be implementing it. This is a criticism that fundamentalist groups like Shabab are absolutely correct when they point out.

Somalia has to be honest with the type of state it is trying to build, too often you hear people in Somalia say that implementing Sharia will just fix things, it's a totally utopian and illiterate position, and as Somalia becomes more educated as time goes on, more and more will point to the current hypocrisy and think proper enforcement of Sharia will just solve things.

Better to just come out and say that the state is secular, and that religion won't play a part in shaping of laws. Skirting around this will lead to this issue compounding and cause violence in the future.

the current courts in Somalia are inferior to AS, solely because Somalia's donors demand it must follow a Western judicial-style system. If Somalia ran a functional Sharia courts, this would severely weaken AS's shadow government.

 

[XuseenS]

Let's be honest, Somalia will never have full Sharia whether we like it or not. Somalia's FGS is a dog of Western powers and will remain so forever. Somalia can implement some sharia law but it will never be at the level that we Muslims want. That is unfortunately the harsh reality.

 

[Aurelian]

what about a sharia that suits us? Tailored one.

 

[Mudug_gyal]

what about a sharia that suits us? Tailored one.

You cant pick and choose what part of Allah’s commands you want to follow. Since we are muslims we should implement all parts of sharia

 

[Galool]

Fairly soon, Somalia will have to confront the hypocrisy it's condicting with regards to Sharia. The enforcement is purely cosmetic, yet every region claims to be implementing it. This is a criticism that fundamentalist groups like Shabab are absolutely correct when they point out.

Somalia has to be honest with the type of state it is trying to build, too often you hear people in Somalia say that implementing Sharia will just fix things, it's a totally utopian and illiterate position, and as Somalia becomes more educated as time goes on, more and more will point to the current hypocrisy and think proper enforcement of Sharia will just solve things.

Better to just come out and say that the state is secular, and that religion won't play a part in shaping of laws. Skirting around this will lead to this issue compounding and cause violence in the future.

Shariah is the only true law, democracy and secularism is a farce all it is in reality is a colonial outpost plundered and controlled by the West. We see the destructive outcomes it leads to, how foolish does one have to be in 2024 to see what it leads to and still call for it? Even the gaalo know better now and wish for a return to the past.

Somalia is one of the countries that overwhelmingly supports the Shariah.

If they announce a "secular" country they will be run out immediately. Some of you murtads/liberals needs to come to terms with this.

There will only be an increase in demand for the full Shariah to be implemented not the opposite, and in the mean time they will continue pretending as long as the government is relying on the west and outside support.

 

[Aurelian]

You cant pick and choose what part of Allah’s commands you want to follow. Since we are muslims we should implement all parts of sharia

sharia is a law, most sunni madhabs don't fully agree on. They have different views.

 

[Mohmed]

Shariah is the only true law, democracy and secularism is a farce all it is in reality is a colonial outpost plundered and controlled by the West. We see the destructive outcomes it leads to, how foolish does one have to be in 2024 to see what it leads to and still call for it? Even the gaalo know better now and wish for a return to the past.

Somalia is one of the countries that overwhelmingly supports the Shariah.

If they announce a "secular" country they will be run out immediately. Some of you murtads/liberals needs to come to terms with this.

There will only be an increase in demand for the full Shariah to be implemented not the opposite, and in the mean time they will continue pretending as long as the government is relying on the west and outside support.

Thing is, Sharia can't be implemented due to our puppet government being funded by Western societies. lmfao.

 

[Mudug_gyal]

sharia is a law, most sunni madhabs don't fully agree on. They have different views.

I dont know much but ik that sunni madhabs agree on the main topics. Their opinions just differ on miniscule rulings

 

[Galool]

sharia is a law, most sunni madhabs don't fully agree on. They have different views.

You dont know what you are talking about.

 

[reer]

Somalia is one of the countries that overwhelmingly supports the Shariah.

please be serious bro.

 

[Revolutionarry]

100% agree with you. The problem is Somalis suffer from collection delusions, they don't see this clear hypocrisy.

 

[Omar del Sur]

You dont know what you are talking about.

That's a very generous conclusion! bcuz if I saw somebody saying people should make their own custom sharia, picking and choosing according to their wants... and that it's ok to pick and choose because there are differences of opinion.... is this how a Muslim talks? a Muslim believes the shariah is objective, that there is an objective, correct interpretation.... someone who thinks we can tailor the shariah and it's ok, we can pick and choose in a way that suits us bcuz there are differences of opinion... I could understand an atheist or other non-Muslim pretending to be a Muslim... I could understand them thinking like that, it would make perfect sense for a munafiq who is secretly an atheist to think like that.... but I can't imagine a sincere believer in Islam thinking like that.... to me it seems like something worse than ignorance

but Allah knows best... I wouldn't say to takfir such a person but.... I would have serious questions as to whether they're a munafiq

edit:

I also want to say... if someone wants to play with the shariah and they want to tailor it.... they want to tailor it according to what? this basically implies that they want to tailor it to some external set of values, implying that they are following some set of values that are external to Islam.... so what kind of Muslim is this if they're following something that isn't Islam- but they want others to see them as a Muslim? they want to be known as a Muslim while they're following something else and they even try to make Islam subservient to the something else.... they want to tailor Islam to suit the something else rather than tailor the something else to suit Islam

 

[𐒋𐒖𐒆𐒔𐒖𐒕𐒈]

people in Somalia say that implementing Sharia will just fix things, it's a totally utopian and illiterate position,

Better to just come out and say that the state is secular, and that religion won't play a part in shaping of laws.

An age old debate, tried, and discovered untenable. Which of the two is this referring to:

a) Freedom of religion, or​

b) Freedom from religion?​

as Somalia becomes more educated as time goes on, more and more will point to the current hypocrisy and think proper enforcement of Sharia will just solve things.

To revisit.

 

[Celery]

What am I reading? Are people supporting Al Shabaab right now? Al Shabaab IS trying to implement the sharia and opposing this while pretending to want sharia is absurd. Al Shabab is like a snake and you people are the grass that the snake lives in. The real solution is to mow the grass and kill the snake v

 

[Celery]

Fairly soon, Somalia will have to confront the hypocrisy it's condicting with regards to Sharia. The enforcement is purely cosmetic, yet every region claims to be implementing it. This is a criticism that fundamentalist groups like Shabab are absolutely correct when they point out.

Somalia has to be honest with the type of state it is trying to build, too often you hear people in Somalia say that implementing Sharia will just fix things, it's a totally utopian and illiterate position, and as Somalia becomes more educated as time goes on, more and more will point to the current hypocrisy and think proper enforcement of Sharia will just solve things.

Better to just come out and say that the state is secular, and that religion won't play a part in shaping of laws. Skirting around this will lead to this issue compounding and cause violence in the future.

The state needs to ensure security and free movement of people and goods. If people have security and can make a living, all will be good. This is all semantics. Declaring secular law or sharia will not end poverty

 

[Celery]

having ethiopian and kenyan troops + allowing qat.

The Kenyan and Ethiopian troops are here to help fight an organized crime religious terrorist group that destabilizes the entire region and makes life impossible. It’s telling that this group springs up in Somalia and not the other countries.

If you can’t deal with your own shit, other countries have no choice but to prevent it from spreading.

 

[Celery]

the current courts in Somalia are inferior to AS, solely because Somalia's donors demand it must follow a Western judicial-style system. If Somalia ran a functional Sharia courts, this would severely weaken AS's shadow government.

AS is a criminal organization. How are the courts inferior to them? Murdering, extortion, human trafficking, drug trade…all documented HARAM things AS is involved in. The correct solution is for the international community to work together to land hellfire missiles in their laps and yours. Terrorist!