Somali woman meets with Taliban jihadists. Afghan women furious
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I know nothing of the situation of whatās going on in Afghanistan but Iām sure of one thing, even if education has been ābannedā for women in Afghanistan Iām sure the women who are most privileged in the country (related to powerful people) are going to be allowed to have education on par with what you see in first world countries and possibly even better, if not in Afghanistan then overseas (this is because the people on top more often than not are more liberal and educated than the general population and this includes those who hold the highest levels of power with the Taliban). I suspect these women hardly spend their days in the country anyway yet their close relatives are completely in control.
It always happens that that way in every country, the most privileged use every tool in their hands to stay as privileged as possible which of course includes education and everyone else suffers.
Also I donāt get banning education for women? Just separate the schools/unis so thereās no free mixing and problem solved no? Thereās nothing in Islam that prevents women from gaining knowledge. This warping of Islam honestly disgusts me and should disgust everyone else whoās Muslim.
Aisha (ra) was an extremely educated women, most men of her time paled in comparison to her knowledge and education and it was our prophet Muhammad (saw) that educated and gave her knowledge.
Also be careful of making allies with these kafir like liberal Cadaan women and the āexmuslimā that responded on twitter, I suspect that their aim isnāt about helping the oppressed, I think itās much more about liberal colonization and slandering Islam and Muslims in general, using liberal politics for excuses to come in and ācivilize the backwards people and religionā in other words to conquer and profit through propaganda.
The needle you have to thread when talking about these issues is fine and must be done carefully without pandering to such people.
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Yes the rich amongst them have sent their daughters to the Gulf. Iāve also heard reports that some of those men in those positions have been taking on educated Afghani women as second wives since the illiterate first wives bore them due them ect.
Hearing all of that angers me even more. It shows how much contempt they have for women but also the working classes. Even they canāt live up to their oppression of women when it comes to their own daughters and taste in women but will oppress the poor manās daughter who needs education more than the rich girl.
At this point, I donāt care anymore. Why is it as Muslim women we have to keep quiet and show loyalty to men who have no sense of loyalty to the women of the Ummah? Why must we accept this oppression? Also, isnāt it fascinating that many Muslim men will try and unite with Peterson, Tate and all of those men who have proved that they destest us Muslims just to shit on women? Look at all the right wingers that Muslim men in Dawah have been teaming up with who have caused literal riots in the UK and itās us Muslim women that have had acid thrown in our faces and our hijab ripped from her heads but if we dare talk about the oppression that is being inflicted on our women, weāre siding with the liberals!
FYI, I never pandered to these liberals. Not once did I mention these people yet still the mere fact that Iām talking about how grossly oppressed our women are in the face of men means that Iām pandering? Letās asses who is really pandering to gaals and recent events have shown itās some Muslim men, the conservative ones in Dawah.
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If arsenal was like the taliban the civil war would have ended in 2006, the taliban never mass-takfired the people of Afghanistan, they never joined a foreign organization, they focused on being Afghan nationalists instead of dick-riding some guy in a cave 2000 miles away.
Angelina gotta be one of my favourite users on this forum. Waa naag caqli bathan wallahi she always has very intelligent takes and has good knowledge about the diin
ISIS treated women better than the Taliban thats how backwards they are. Even ISIS had female soldiers who fought for them and had schools for them. This is beause the Taliban are backwards and believe in something called Pashtunwali. They take morals from their Pashtun culture which is unfortunately very backward with regard to women in some cases.
tyrannicalmanager
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why are you calling this women a traitor for simply visting a muslim nation?
banning education is tragic, but what about thr rampant sexual abuse afghan women and children went through under thr US occupation by the gaal and their colaborators?
The Taliban has done tremedous work in improving the security, economy and finance of the nation. despite major mistake they've made when comes to the rights of women, the good they've done shouldn't be ignored.
Muslim around the world should advice the rulers instead of isolating and chatises muslims for visiting Afghanistan.
Straight up whataboutism. So because im against women being denied an education, Denied the right to have female doctors, denied the right to even have their own name on their own childrenās birth certificate, that means Iām okay with gals r-wording them?
Youāve shown how much contempt you have for us women. We have to choose been gaals who want to starve us and r-word us and men who want to treats as us as literal slaves who are uneducated that canāt even get proper treatment at hospitals.
Sheās absolute traitorous to her gender that sheāll go to a nation that women arenāt even afforded to smidgen of the privileges she has and grins with the oppressors of our fellow sisters.
If you men want full loyalty from Muslim women, treat us as humans. Wallahi this isnāt a small misunderstanding, half of the people of Afghanistan are being denied the write to even learn how to write their own names and theyāre using Islam to justify this .
I donāt see just her as a traitor, but even you who tries to downplay this. The thing is, womenās issues which has huge ramifications for the day to day lives of women is a drop in the ocean for you. It means nothing if women are being abused, have their rights taken away from because youāre not a woman and youāre hypocrite to boot who would never want a girl in your family to be treated that way.
Im honest, I call a spade a spade.
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Just to clarify I never intended to mean that you were actually pandering to liberals but that your words if not carefully selected could lead to these people using it for their own propaganda, Iām not even accusing you of being lackadaisical in your messages but rather just warning that people can use your words for bad purposes, these topics are highly sensitive and require careful word usage when dealing with it is all.
As for the Dawah guys Iāve not really seen anything on Mohammed hijab and the Ali dawah guy when it comes to them pandering, maybe Iām wrong as I donāt really follow them closely but it seems like their only intention is to spread the message more than anything else.
As for the other guys Iām not really sure at all.
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tyrannicalmanager
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i'm sorry but that was reality before the Taliban. The general muslim Ummah were far more lenient towards that regime.
This is ridiculous, you do not apply this standard for other oppresors but only for the countries emerging from 20+ year occupation.
this is a lie women are denied education after the 6th grade, which is still horrible.
she literally just standing next to them as a tourist. you're acting as if she is giving her bay'ah to the emir of Afghanistan
Ah yes, makes perfect sense. Because theyāve been oppressed for 20 yrs, they will then turn around and oppress their women even more. At this point I donāt even think men like you actually see women as people people if you get my drift because Iām at a loss when it comes to your mentality and as why youād expect a woman like me be sympathetic towards a regime that wonāt even allow me to learn?
Nope, there is a recent fatwa the government have decided to follow which is the view of a Hanafi scholar that argues that teaching women to write is haram.
These are the people youāre supporting.
Sorry better not continue this conversation, my ability to write is a sin you see.
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tyrannicalmanager
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they still allow women to get a "basic education". it's better advice them than isolate them from the world.
I'm not a deobandi Hanafi and i actualy disagree with their fiqh. there are many fatwa'd and things their scholars have said that i don't support differance is there are better ways to influence to them towards better path.
she received way less outrage for visiting a nation waging genocidal war against muslims, including women conpared to visting Afghanistan.
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This same woman recently visited Israel and took pictures in Tel Aviv, sheās just one of those extreme tourists that goes places nobody else will just like many other western tourists. I donāt think her visiting Israel is delegitimising Palestinians either. Only reason sheās hold to a different standard is because sheās a black woman wearing hijab, not a white woman. Before she posted pictures in Afghanistan and was being accused of being a āterrorist sympathiserā, people were calling her a zionist scum.
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Iām not defending her, I just donāt see her any different to the countless other grifting western vloggers that have done the same. People are attacking her saying she should be arrested for going afghanistan, why donāt they say the same for westerners ? Itās because sheās a black hijabi, unlike the others.
Hereās the israel vlog she posted 2 weeks ago:
Why is there not similar outrage for this video ? Clearly sheās just doing this for views. There will always be a market for extreme travellers like her, and thatās all she is. I donāt support it but if sheās going to be attacked then it should be the same for everyone doing the same thing as her, no double standards.
Why does need to let the world that she met the Taliban?
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