Somali Transition Plan #AmisomOut

@Pwyneth Galtrow @FBIsomalia wouldn't it make sense that before Somalia has a proper military, AMISOM departs and the arms embargo is fully lifted there should be a finalisation of the national constitution plus a wide consensus on the division of powers, finances and resources between the FGS and FMS.

PS What's your opinion on the Foreign Minister who is a Puntite
 

cow

VIP
Its the usual brain dead people with qabiil xaar posts, and baseless knee jerk reactions.

it is very strange why a lot in this forum have such negative reaction towards AMISON being told to leave Somalia.

whats more disturbing is they associate "governance" with "AMISOM" as if somalia would collapse without AMISOM

or perhaps they think AMISOM benefits them.
 

repo

Bantu Liberation Movement
VIP
it is very strange why a lot in this forum have such negative reaction towards AMISON being told to leave Somalia.

whats more disturbing is they associate "governance" with "AMISOM" as if somalia would collapse without AMISOM

or perhaps they think AMISOM benefits them.
That's right, you would collapse without AMISOM. You have more soldiers on paper than in reality. Shabaab are in every region surrounding the capital. There are more Shabaab today than when Farmaajo took office. The few soldiers you do have can't hold ground without AMISOM. You are a failure in every aspect possible.
 

cow

VIP
That's right, you would collapse without AMISOM. You have more soldiers on paper than in reality. Shabaab are in every region surrounding the capital. There are more Shabaab today than when Farmaajo took office. The few soldiers you do have can't hold ground without AMISOM. You are a failure in every aspect possible.

don't mind failing on my own accord. But one cannot succeed in life if his hand is being held like a toddler.

you have zero evidence that shabaab is more today then when farmaajo took over. we also have countless evidence that the SFG held on their own without AMISOM the last two examples are guriceel and baladxaawo.

:)
 

MT Foxtrot

Anti-qabil
I don't understand the SFG's reasoning here. Camp TURKSOM graduates an SNA battalion every three months, why not wait until we have 30,000 frontline troops? What's the rush?
 

repo

Bantu Liberation Movement
VIP
SFG held on their own without AMISOM the last two examples are guriceel and baladxaawo.
That remains to be seen.

Cracking Up Lol GIF
 

MT Foxtrot

Anti-qabil
Everyone arguing for AMISOM to leave should read this report by the Heritage Institute.

The entire thing is worth reading but here's the conclusion:
International partners have provided considerable financial and other material support to revive Somalia’s moribund security sector. Their efforts have been undermined by a confluence of factors, principally the failure of the Somali political actors to achieve a grand settlement on key outstanding issues around security architecture in a federal system, particularly as it relates to power and resource sharing. Mistrust is deepened by recent events such as the deployment of Turkish trained special forces for a political conflict in Gedo in the state of Jubbaland. And another conflict is now brewing in Hirshabeelle.
Politicization of the national security forces, which is the single most poignant factor, is amplified by salient misgovernance permeating state institutions at federal and state levels. Although excellent efforts have been made in the fight against corruption, especially as it relates to the so-called ‘ghost soldiers,’ nepotism remains a big problem. Junior officers are routinely promoted for loyalty and clannish reasons. This destroys the morale of the security forces and reorients their loyalty to their clans—the Achilles’ heel of the security forces 30 years ago.
Chronic underfunding is another major factor hindering the revival of Somali security forces. Poor revenue generation is forcing the FGS to rely heavily on financial support to maintain its roughly 40,000 security forces. The effect is a high attrition rate and low force generation. The many external actors, supporting the FGS in the security sector are notoriously uncoordinated, and some, such as Kenya and Ethiopia, are pursuing their national interests at the expense of Somalia’s long-term stability. Many others are training and releasing forces without providing lethal weapons, creating a large pool of unarmed soldiers. The US and Turkey are prime examples of successful “train and mentor” programs. As a result, the US-trained Danab Brigade carries out 80 percent of offensive operations and all counterterrorism operations. The Turkish trained Gorgor and Harma’ad are also successful in operations, though their involvement in politically motivated conflicts in recent years have dented their credibility.
Meanwhile, the militant group al-Shabaab continues to disrupt progress and exploit misgovernance and lack of political reconciliation. US airstrikes and recent operations such as Badbaado 1 forced the group deeper into underground. From there, they raise as much revenue as the government from big cities like Mogadishu and Kismayo. However, they no longer pose an existential threat to the FGS.

Pretty sobering stuff.
 

reer

VIP
That remains to be seen.

Cracking Up Lol GIF
when amisom leave chunks of ugandishu will fall quickly. anyone who disagrees is incorrect. it will take approximately a year to retake konfuria. but because of afghanistan beesha caalamka are in no rush to leave soon. n&n beating anti-amisom drums is useless.
 
They will be replaced with Turkish troops.

Amisom and alshabaab use each other to argue legitimacy. It’s a foreign plot to prolong occupation and looting.

They have no intention on fighting al Shabaab that is obvious, they sit there and collect pay.

amisom must go.
 

TekNiKo

“I am an empathic and emotionally-aware person.
VIP
wallahi these creatures are the most two faced clueless creatures these siad barre abo,

on one hand they want to attack Kuumade in kismayo and fight them and on the other hand they beg the very same people and their cousins on their western border to help them against HG

wallahi you cannot make this up, they live in two different universes and intersect in a parallel universe where they look right and love Kuumade then look left and hate kuumade, look right but beg them, look left then threaten to fight them

Tek, how do your people reconcile with their bipolar ?
Haha, well Abdi Iley had a special arrangement with Beesha MX he even gave my cousin plot of land in Jigjiga. Unlike Madoobe Iley never took our land nor did he massacre MX in Kilinka 5aad so why should I hate him?
 
Good if it happens. the thing is the UK and US are behind the amisom project, but if they can get out, that's good for Somalia. I hope farmaajo means all of amisom, even those helping him, like Abiye's Ethiopian soldiers.
 
The Taliban-esque reconquest of Somalia by al-Shabab is inevitable, but as long as the cheques keep clearing Uganda will keep sending AMISON mercenaries to keep Somalia's corrupt western proxy afloat.
 

Jiron

wanaag
NABADOON
VIP
Today, Somalia is strong enough to stand on its own feet and sort out it's own affairs. Please do not underestimate our might :)
 

kickz

Engineer of Qandala
SIYAASI
VIP
They will be replaced with Turkish troops.

Amisom and alshabaab use each other to argue legitimacy. It’s a foreign plot to prolong occupation and looting.

They have no intention on fighting al Shabaab that is obvious, they sit there and collect pay.

amisom must go.

Right, people acting like we don't have allies that we have signed defense treaties with.

The Taliban-esque reconquest of Somalia by al-Shabab is inevitable

You wish nigga
 

kickz

Engineer of Qandala
SIYAASI
VIP

These AMISOM bums have been here a decade, and Kabob is still present, and in some areas of the country they have a deal not to fight eachother.

 

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