Somali Teenager Divorced by Husband after a brutal child birth caused her to wet the bed
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Bc their body and mind is developing. most womans bodies develop very quickly after puberty as opposed to their minds, which takes longer. Getting pregnant in ur teens is not a problem.
It’s probably a myth that your body has to fully go through biological puberty to have a healthy pregnancy, which there is no conclusive proof for. Also fistula occurs in 1% of all pregnancies so it’s negligible.
See here: https://www.somalispot.com/threads/a-study-on-teenage-pregnancy.122281/
Coming from a woman and I think most girls will tell you this, sometimes we get our periods first before our hips spread out and other signs of puberty that make it easier to carry children.
The problem in some societies is that as soon as the girl has her 1st period, they marry her off, even if she is still built like a 8 yr old.
My point is, waiting helps avoid certain problems. Marrying a little later isn't haram, especially in situations where we know Fistula is a huge issue and the community doesn't even have the facilities to help these teen girls. If you check the data, teen girls are the biggest victims when it comes to this.
this discussion is nuanced bc wat classifies a girl being capable physically varies fro each individual case, the original post does not tell us any information about the girls whole situation so u cant just blame it on teenage pregnancy. the girl may have been fully developed physically or not we dont know.
There are different types of teen pregnancies though. The risky ones are the ones in which the mother is less than 14. I read an article that also argued that teen pregnancy might not be risky per say that is for 16+.
In many 3rd world countries, they're marrying off 12 year olds. Anyone with common sense can see how risky that is.
What we know is that very early teen pregnancies can be a health risk. Any doctor will tell you this. Also, the ones that do successfully carry many times have issues in later years after menopause. I was having this discussion with a family member who is a doctor recently. I'm going to ask her more questions.
If we as a society really care about the well being of women, teens and also how this may effect them when they become menopausal, waiting a few years is the ideal. What is scary, is that its always some men fighting this, even though this isn't something that will ever effect them. Also, to make things worse, when the girls are effected, it is the men that leave as they don't want to deal with it.
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Not supporting teenage marriages but this makes sense. It doesn't add up that women wouldn't be able to healthily give birth that young cos we know they most certainly did in ancient and prehistoric times on a regular basis. But if it is true... maybe it has something to do with post-Neolithic women and their poor development in particular?
It's pretty surprising stuff but there's apparently historical and anthropological evidence that pregnancies were not as big of a deal for Paleolithic women. Some indigenous groups were documented to give birth with little or no trouble in a couple of hours. Their bone structure and overall health was just that on-point. It's apparently long been known that the shift to agriculture made childbirth more painful:
The real reasons why childbirth is so painful and dangerous
There is a long-standing idea that it is because we walk upright, but new research suggests that might not be the whole story
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Not supporting teenage marriages but this makes sense. It doesn't add up that women wouldn't be able to healthily give birth that young cos we know they most certainly did in ancient and prehistoric times on a regular basis. But if it is true... maybe it has something to do with post-Neolithic women and their poor development in particular?
It's pretty surprising stuff but there's apparently historical and anthropological evidence that pregnancies were not as big of a deal for Paleolithic women. Some indigenous groups were documented to give birth with little or no trouble in a couple of hours. Their bone structure and overall health was just that on-point. It's apparently long been known that the shift to agriculture made childbirth more painful:
The real reasons why childbirth is so painful and dangerous
There is a long-standing idea that it is because we walk upright, but new research suggests that might not be the whole storyweb.archive.org
What proof is there that women would start having children at 11-14?
Also, historically it is a myth that the majority of women got married less than 15 btw. It was mostly the elites and even then they would wait a bit to consumate their marriages. I have no idea about Paleolithic ages.
We need to differentiate. There is a difference between early teens and mid to late teens.
Also, to add childbirth historically (post paleolithic) was gruesome. But now as a society we're more educated and many things that were normal in history don't have to be normalised now if we know there are issues it can cause.
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Back home girls get married earlier due to poverty. Many of them do not want to marry that young preferring to finish their studies but might not be afforded that privilege. Someone financially better off would tend to marry later than their teens (even back home). And you must be kidding comparing a teen pregnancy to one in your 20s. The former is fraught with greater birth complications and worse outcomes.
At the end of the day, we follow the basic Islamic principle of not causing harm or returning harm. If intercourse is harmful then by unanimous consensus she shouldn’t be permitted to have intercourse. I’m not saying teenage pregnancies cannot cause harm, i’m just questioning the source because Westerners are known for spreading propaganda to serve their interests.
“Allah does not charge a soul except within its capacity...O our Lord, and do not burden us with what we have no power (over)”. (Quran, 2:286)
Ubadah ibn al-Samit رضي الله عنه reported: The Messenger of Allah ﷺ issued a decree, “Do not cause harm or return harm.” (Sunan Ibn Mājah 2340)
- In a collective work of contemporary jurist committee, scholars argue if the bride is not capable of sexual relations, the marriage can’t be consummated regardless of her age:
“If she is skinny and feeble, not capable of sexual relation and she may be medically harmed (by doing so), the husband is not permitted to consummate the marriage, even if she is old.”
Al-Fatawa al-Hindiyah, Vol. 1, p. 287
So based on what Muslims unanimously agree, we can observe from our environment what is harmful or what isn’t, if something is harmful or leads to harm then we can forbid it.
Yes, Westerners prefer later marriages but if what they are saying is merely propaganda, they would not publish science reports that illustrate that having children at 36+ is more taxing on the body than having kids during your 20s as that goes against their culture of late marriages.
spirit of afweyne lives onWho said this was a myth?
Again, not supporting teen marriage. And I'd have to get back to you on that. But, logically, you would assume they would want to wait until puberty was over which, in the cases above, these men seemingly did not. Not a paleolithic or prehistoric culture but Somali nomads, for example, liked to wait until after puberty. In fact they had entire customs around this like giving prepubescent girls a certain funny shaved hairstyle and ordaining that the girl could only grow her hair out once she was past puberty, if memory serves me right. And that would be when she was ready for suitors.
Subxanallah put a trigger warning on the tittle.
This is so traumatizing.
This is so traumatizing.
Hitting puberty was when most ppl got married and had kids, which was historically around 12-14, most girls had a kid before 18
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1% is way too high . The prevalence of fistula is around 1.6 per 1000 woman of reproductive age in Africa according to the study below.
Estimating the prevalence of obstetric fistula: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed
Our study is the most comprehensive study of the burden of fistula to date. Our findings suggest that the prevalence of fistula is lower than previously reported. The low burden of fistula should not detract from their public health importance, however, given the preventability of the condition...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
another outdated study that focused more on a place where child pregnancy is common concluded that obstetric fistula made up as high as 1% of all pregnancies.
Fistula -- a disaster for teenage mothers - PubMed
Fistula -- a disaster for teenage mothers
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Teens in the west have babies too but I guess they are more developed than ones in Africa .
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