Somali Reconcilation Model Analysis

[DR OSMAN]

I have pointed out the importance of clan/religious/politician reconcilation towards our national recovery, ignoring this topic or let it be un-addressed provides a worse outcome 'a people against itself in every section of society'.

Somalis prefer this 'superficial aan is cafino' model, but forgiveness doesn't come untill justice is applied or else it's another potential 'trigger' point simmering away socially or even politically. As Somalis we need to agree to a method that is consistent/repeatable across the nation and will provide the required result(dad fiyow). Dawlad lagama hadli karo if the ppl are working against each other or hate each other, this only allow opportunistic leaders who will only care for his interest and not the nation as they don't see 'dad fiyow oo la shaqayn karo' so they resort to the mentality worry about your own interest while using clan/religion as a cover.

We need a federal commission, regional commission, villages and commission. We must set the 'processes and laws' that will be followed by all commissions to ensure 'consistent and repeatable' outcomes is achieved in resolutions, if the resolution processes isn't applicable to all cases, it will not be respected as it can be argued it has been 'flawed' by someone.

We must allow people to bring their complaints to the village commission and we will all listen to each side of the narrative, events, and complaints. The village council will reach a decision, if the village council decision isn't accepted by 'both sides' the key-word is 'both' it will be escalated to the regional commission. If only 1 side refuses the outcome(they can be considered spoilers and their issue will be handed to the spoiler commission and they will be empowered to reach harsh decisions).

If the regional commission fail to come to a decision or both clans reject the outcome, they will be heard one 'final' time by the federal commission and the federal commission will need to reach a decision, if both clans refuse to accept again, they will be sent to the 'spoiler' commission who as I said has 'harsh' outcomes such as removing both disputee clans and relocating them somewhere in the nation where they cannot spread their 'fowdo' to clans who have resolved their issues.

The reconcilation method must be jifi to jifi, sub-clan to sub clan, clan to clan resolution process, horta qof walbo gudahisa ayaa la xalinaya before we attempt to resolve external sub clan and clan issues. The Isimo will be given a chance to do their traditional methods and if their outcome isn't respected for whatever reason, then the issue will go to the village commission-regional-federal.

I like the fact their is 'spoiler' commission becuz we never provide a solution what to do with clans who refuse to accept any outcome. Simple solution is to take all these clans and locate them in 1 area of the nation and contain them there and let the rest of the nation who resolved their issues move on. I suggest we apply the same model to politicians who hate each other due to past grievances and using 'clan' as a cover, if they also refuse to resolve their issues, they will be taken to the 'spoiler' degmo.

Finally religious people do the same set of processes who r using religion as a smoke-screen for either personal/clan grudges.

 

[Calaami]

I think we can take notes from the Rwandan process of Ingando, solidarity camps built all over the country for people to put forth their unanswered grievances. The most evil warlords will have opportunities for redemption and the downtrodden given a hand to empower themselves.

There was a really keen sense of Somalinimo and walaaltinimo that we all had a hand in destroying, but I don’t think it can’t be fixed.

Somalis have this idea that if they keep moving they can outrun their traumas and problems, I think it comes from our nomadic way of life. We’ve got to confront what got us here head on, if we want to move forward together.

 

[DR OSMAN]

We must set the resolution model as either;

1. Compensation Financial due to the deaths or looting(livestock,, properties, etc)
2. Capital punishment or Faataxo iyo bun depending on what they want for 'dead' people, especially if those culprits are alive.
3. Other models agreed too as sometimes both sides host criminals and may require let's forgive/forget and not worry about the above two.

This must be all televised so the people see it not behind closed doors.

If they reject the resolution decision outcomes, they will be escorted to 'spoiler' degmo where their 'fitnah' is contained and not allowed to effect the rest of the nation ready to move on.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Calaami we need to 'accept' also their different phases of the conflict.

1.Colonial who did divide/conquer on the ppl n selecting some as 'elite' and others as 'peasants' similar to the rwanda problem. This needs to be heard grievances and promises made that those days are gone.

2. Siyad Generation(not just marehan but all clans from his govt) will be on trial for Majerteniya-SNM genocide, both sides will be heard, but I suspect legally Siyad Generation will win becuz a country can defend itself from rebels or terrorists or it means 'americans' will be on trial for confederate rebel war or ethiopia will go on trial for 'tigray'.

Plus it can be argued why did SNM use it's ppl as 'sheilds'. Unless PL can demonstrate the nomads who were scorched earth that they were not helping the 'rebels' if they were they will be treated as a 'factor in the war'.

3. 91 clan war era and looting, most of our problems stem from here, even tho it was started by HG who gave ppl this idea of 'killing clans', everyone adopted this mind-set and will be on trial.

4. The Terror Age and damages to people must be held to account, all clans r involved even tho HG created this as usual, but all clans particapated yet again, they must all be brought to trial the leaders-the managers-the field soldiers. The field soldiers can be given 'amnesty' but not the managers-leaders. They did a-lot of damage to people lives and property.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Calaami wat pisses me off about Somalia waa 'beeshan way heeshin waydee' and we all have to suffer instability or no government just due to a group of ppl who refuse to be grown ass men and fix their problems like men.

 

[Hilmaam]

Somalia has weather, water and arable land issues. Clan is symptom root cause to me is we have harsh land. People fighting due to scarcity. If we had good rain for like a decade there would be peace and barwaqo in Somalia. instead it’s been decades of drought which is recipe for disaster when country built on livestock . Lack of natural resources to me is fueling the destruction of country and . Future ain’t looking good with global warming and population growth being supported artificially. Reconciliation won’t happen when we are constantly on brink of famine

look at land France has, hard to fail when you blessed like this

 

[Dima&Damo]

I laugh when people say somaliyee is 99% muslim people

 

[Dima&Damo]

Somalia has weather, water and arable land issues. Clan is symptom root cause to me is we have harsh land. People fighting due to scarcity. If we had good rain for like a decade there would be peace and barwaqo in Somalia. instead it’s been decades of drought which is recipe for disaster when country built on livestock . Lack of natural resources to me is fueling the destruction of country and . Future ain’t looking good with global warming and population growth being supported artificially. Reconciliation won’t happen when we are constantly on brink of famine

look at land France has, hard to fail when you blessed like this

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Two rivers but 1.4 is arable lol you can make this shit up and french people nurture the land they sitt upon somalis don't boasting of dead men is our forte

Somalis talking about their inbred linages

 

[Calaami]

Somalia is destroy bro Beledweyne and Luuq literally built around rivers amazing vegetation and produce output potential and still has food insecurity. We are iska retarded

 

[DR OSMAN]

People assume Im 'qabyalad' person, I am only qabyalad on competition n progress not hatred/destruction/stalemate/iyo dad aan heeshin karin for 30 years, i don't support that qabyalad, never have never will. If it comes to my jifi bah dubeys and their convicted by the system for crimes, i will be the first to accept the punishment and will force the clan to accept and not stall the nation to move forward or else put us on spoiler island also and let dadka halasha ah move forward.

 

[AbdiBinLaden]

People assume Im 'qabyalad' person, I am only qabyalad on competition n progress not hatred/destruction/stalemate/iyo dad aan heeshin karin for 30 years, i don't support that qabyalad, never have never will. If it comes to my jifi bah dubeys and their convicted by the system for crimes, i will be the first to accept the punishment and will force the clan to accept and not stall the nation to move forward or else put us on spoiler island also and let dadka halasha ah move forward.

I have never seen anyone more into qabyalad than you since I've joined this site save us the sob story lol

 

[Bowda-dheer]

The current is qab qabsi today has to with how to share the small office jobs in the government that will only benefit a few individuals and their wives and mom. That can be solved through industrialization and farming boom. If everyone has jobs we wouldn’t be so focused on some agaasime. Everyone I have seen in somalia is looking forward to government jobs and that’s hurting the reconciliation efforts.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I have never seen anyone more into qabyalad than you since I've joined this site save us the sob story lol

Who am I qabyalad too? hags who r clans or ppl that support HG. My hate for HG is rooted in facts not emotion, that's why I go after them. All our warlord/islamists started with them. They looted n destroyed the whole capital city. They then spread the hag gospel n uses it to move towards the south. I will always call out ppl that support them or HG. That's my national duty.

Same with Isaaq, u think I call out Samaroon-Dhulos-Warsans-Garhajis who r unionist, i call out Habar awal who uses isaaqnimo gospel and hate of somalia n darod so it can continue redirecting resources towards their land while trying to divide our country. Im only doing my national duty. U should too if your Somali.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@AbdiBinLaden My qabyalad only comes to forefront when the nation is being impacted by some silly policies(hagnimo so a clan can use it to move south,, isaaqnimo secessionism). Im not against siyad even tho he massacred my clan, all nations can attack n eliminate terrorists/rebels or else how many countries would be on trial, do u know? my qabyalad always has facts behind it and the fact has to have national impact.

Do u think im qabyalad over my sub clan didn't get a post or mp, that's selfishnimo qabyalad, u will never see me at that level of qabyalad. The only time I will get down that level if their was some sort of injustice done and my clan can prove it using the 'law' and we can present our case to traditional or govt authorities.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The current is qab qabsi today has to with how to share the small office jobs in the government that will only benefit a few individuals and their wives and mom. That can be solved through industrialization and farming boom. If everyone has jobs we wouldn’t be so focused on some agaasime. Everyone I have seen in somalia is looking forward to government jobs and that’s hurting the reconciliation efforts.

Make the pay lower then market jobs is the solution so the ones who join the govt will be there for love of country not the current pay check being 40 times higher then other industries. Plus create a 'security' check system to investigate their bank balances, work history, character, and their purpose to seek govt work some come for nefarious reasons as everyone else is coming so I decided too, etc.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Only the wise recognize the wise, only a 'few' can see my genuine-ness for a proper nation is my driving cause to get down to clan level, if I don't, then how can we even start to move forward as a proper team. Sometimes a coach can be brutal with his team when not performing, that's how I see my role to Somalis, Im showing u why u having problems functioning as a team and performing at the global level.

I think it's easier to speak to darods who want a proper nation that is respected more then any hate they have for somalis, where-as non darods have different aspirations trying to prove themselves against darod. This could be a factor towards our clashes politically, we must be on the same 'goal' if were not, then we must discuss how we can divorce like any household would if the wife n husband have different goals in life.

 

[AbdiBinLaden]

Who am I qabyalad too? hags who r clans or ppl that support HG. My hate for HG is rooted in facts not emotion, that's why I go after them. All our warlord/islamists started with them. They looted n destroyed the whole capital city. They then spread the hag gospel n uses it to move towards the south. I will always call out ppl that support them or HG. That's my national duty.

Same with Isaaq, u think I call out Samaroon-Dhulos-Warsans-Garhajis who r unionist, i call out Habar awal who uses isaaqnimo gospel and hate of somalia n darod so it can continue redirecting resources towards their land while trying to divide our country. Im only doing my national duty. U should too if your Somali.

That is qabilyaad lol you can't say you hate certain clans than turn around and say your not into qabilyaad Ive seen you on other pages instigating even turn away from qabilyaad walaal

 

[DR OSMAN]

That is qabilyaad lol you can't say you hate certain clans than turn around and say your not into qabilyaad Ive seen you on other pages instigating even turn away from qabilyaad walaal

So in ur eyes it's nationalism to sit idle and clap to HAGNIMO or supporters of it and let HG get away with the fact they created warlords/islamist and every god damn cover to keep us unstable. Do u want me to ignore their is green-lines everywhere they live but their 'right' in ur set of logic while every other clan is wrong? U want me to ignore they fought with every somali clan(mx, mj, rahanwayn, abgal, hawadle, murusade, dir, bimaal, even dhulbahante the 'fiqishini') just ignore all that. Just ignore they created the civil war in PL(ina salad sending ali khalif to fund jama ali jama) n SL(aideed sending tuur to fight egal). These ppl infilitrate our economy u wonder why no-one wants us to be rich? rich HG or their believers is a threat to themselves, region, and world.

So what do I do when presented with that FACT? my set of facts makes me resort to hatred, why? Cuz Somalis are allowing this and as a result our nation will continously be shit hole as the world wants nothing to do with a ppl who do not address their clowns.

I am against habar awal who uses isaaqnimo to redirect resources into hargeisa and cries isaaqnimo to other isaaqs while robbing them blind, they also demand no-one can be in power that isn't them or someone they control. U want me to sit by while a clan attempts to divide our borders and clap? the question is what type of 'wadani' are u while watching the above, the true wadani will be furious like me and abuse those clans for not changing.

 

[AbdiBinLaden]

So in ur eyes it's nationalism to sit idle and clap to HAGNIMO or supporters of it and let HG get away with the fact they created warlords/islamist and every god damn cover to keep us unstable. Do u want me to ignore their is green-lines everywhere they live but their 'right' in ur set of logic while every other clan is wrong? U want me to ignore they fought with every somali clan(mx, mj, rahanwayn, abgal, hawadle, murusade, dir, bimaal, even dhulbahante the 'fiqishini') just ignore all that. Just ignore they created the civil war in PL(ina salad sending ali khalif to fund jama ali jama) n SL(aideed sending tuur to fight egal).

So what do I do when presented with that FACT? my set of facts makes me resort to hatred, why? Cuz Somalis are allowing this and as a result our nation will continously be shit hole as the world wants nothing to do with a ppl who do not address their clowns.

I am against habar awal who uses isaaqnimo to redirect resources into hargeisa and cries isaaqnimo to other isaaqs while robbing them blind, they also demand no-one can be in power that isn't them or someone they control. U want me to sit by while a clan attempts to divide our borders and clap? the question is what type of 'wadani' are u while watching the above, the true wadani will be furious like me and abuse those clans for not changing.

NEWS FLASH ALL that you mentioned EVERY somali clan has done its funny you clowns all try to act different but your all the fucking same lol just be honest here and say your a qabliliste

 

[AbdiBinLaden]

The current is qab qabsi today has to with how to share the small office jobs in the government that will only benefit a few individuals and their wives and mom. That can be solved through industrialization and farming boom. If everyone has jobs we wouldn’t be so focused on some agaasime. Everyone I have seen in somalia is looking forward to government jobs and that’s hurting the reconciliation efforts.

This is where am at man you got mofo fighting over who will hold the temporary mayor of Mogadishu seat thats so fucking sad