Somali Federal Republic Or Somali Confederacy

[DR OSMAN]

What do you guys say? be honest are you confederacy supporter or federalist supporter? I prefer wallahi Confederacy approach following the E.U standard of independent states in all matters with a small ceremonial capital in Mogadishu which will serve the functions of Brussels which is only an 'advisory' role no law making or service delivery function required. I wish Muqdisho just to have advisory capacity in Somalia and have no other power.

This is the only Somalia I will feel safe in. I am not even Federalist supporter, I only supported it cause it less worse then centralism. But deep down, I believe in an EU Model for Somalia with 6 states. This can bring in SL to the table also who will essentially be an independent state with a Mogadishu that has only advisory capacity function like Brussels.

Federalism is still to difficult to work with in Somalia because tasks and duties are shared by regions and capital. It maybe suitable after 50 years of confederacy approach when each state in the nation has progressed and developed institutions and security forces. We can discuss becoming federal only when there are states who can combine something together.

We can designate the Banadir Regional Administration full power over Mogadishu and the SFG an advisory role. We can remove the capital status of Somalia and make it 'rotate' between the confederacy for 50 years. The SFG can be hosted in each Somali state for 5 years and then he relocates to advise the next state on best policies, the SFG will be totally ceremonial and have no power whatsoever beyond giving Somali wide advice since they have access to rotate between the states.

WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO A SOMALI E.U HERE WE COME

 

[Ibrahim hassan]

Dream on little
Somali EU lmao

 

[Hassan Garguute Buldanana]

Nothing will work with nimankan southiega, no one knows what they want. I say let them rule each other with thier beloved centralism and PL retains its autonomy. HG and thier little Galnus alone cant function in one entity forget about when we get deeper in the south and its diversity in Qabil.

 

[Automaton]

I do not know if you're on drugs or need to take drugs, but this the worst idea I have ever heard. Centralism is only solution.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I do not know if you're on drugs or need to take drugs, but this the worst idea I have ever heard. Centralism is only solution.

How is centralism the only answer when I will just deny your govt and not cooperate and then get foreign assistance and fight you? Centralism causes this, it fractures us further and makes us hate each other more. Centralism is over niyahow. The question is Federalism or Confederacy.

 

[Automaton]

How is centralism the only answer when I will just deny your govt and not cooperate and then get foreign assistance and fight you? Centralism causes this, it fractures us further and makes us hate each other more. Centralism is over niyahow. The question is Federalism or Confederacy.

Centralism did not cause our issue, but it was MOD group excluding others. This time we will have a proper centralism, which is inclusive to all clans. Federalism is a mess. It created 6 semi independent nations that do not follow any laws and have their own foreign policies, where they undermine the Somali gov. Let's not forgot about the wars between. We need to restrain the power of the federal states. If want strong Somali, Centralism is the only option.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

Centralism did not cause our issue, but it was MOD group excluding others. This time we will have a proper centralism, which is inclusive to all clans. Federalism is a mess. It created 6 semi independent nations that do not follow any laws and have their own foreign policies, where they undermine the Somali gov. Let's not forgot about the wars between. We need to restrain the power of the federal states. If want strong Somali, Centralism is the only option.

Centralism was the cause of the first civil war, hilariously only the dowladiid want it.

It is like you want to be oppressed and become a single city state like the rest of Africa. Have some shame and dignity.

 

[Cognitivedissonance]

What do you guys say? be honest are you confederacy supporter or federalist supporter? I prefer wallahi Confederacy approach following the E.U standard of independent states in all matters with a small ceremonial capital in Mogadishu which will serve the functions of Brussels which is only an 'advisory' role no law making or service delivery function required. I wish Muqdisho just to have advisory capacity in Somalia and have no other power.

This is the only Somalia I will feel safe in. I am not even Federalist supporter, I only supported it cause it less worse then centralism. But deep down, I believe in an EU Model for Somalia with 6 states. This can bring in SL to the table also who will essentially be an independent state with a Mogadishu that has only advisory capacity function like Brussels.

Federalism is still to difficult to work with in Somalia because tasks and duties are shared by regions and capital. It maybe suitable after 50 years of confederacy approach when each state in the nation has progressed and developed institutions and security forces. We can discuss becoming federal only when there are states who can combine something together.

We can designate the Banadir Regional Administration full power over Mogadishu and the SFG an advisory role. We can remove the capital status of Somalia and make it 'rotate' between the confederacy for 50 years. The SFG can be hosted in each Somali state for 5 years and then he relocates to advise the next state on best policies, the SFG will be totally ceremonial and have no power whatsoever beyond giving Somali wide advice since they have access to rotate between the states.

WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO A SOMALI E.U HERE WE COME

Waxas caay ba waaso boowe deenta illahay ba wadanka lugu maamuli loox iyo qad ma garatey Shakespeare iyo darwin boos ma u banaana meesha haq lee socon kara and as you well onow falsehood can never stand up against the truth thats why you must submit and surrender your will to the most benevolent and become servant of the most sublime the master of the day of judgement.

Look at the western world that you revere and hold as being sacrosanct hadu illahay ku roon yahay certain european countries its lawful to sleep with animals and in some cases even get married to an animal.

Theres no limit, do what thou will shall be the whole of the law boowe iblis iyo ciidankiisa ba foot solider u tahay but you don’t know it.

Any man who follows a law or a system that’s not from the most sublime is following a man made system and you call for secularism

 

[nomand]

reer saaxo support a central government

 

[Younes Osman]

What do you guys say? be honest are you confederacy supporter or federalist supporter? I prefer wallahi Confederacy approach following the E.U standard of independent states in all matters with a small ceremonial capital in Mogadishu which will serve the functions of Brussels which is only an 'advisory' role no law making or service delivery function required. I wish Muqdisho just to have advisory capacity in Somalia and have no other power.

This is the only Somalia I will feel safe in. I am not even Federalist supporter, I only supported it cause it less worse then centralism. But deep down, I believe in an EU Model for Somalia with 6 states. This can bring in SL to the table also who will essentially be an independent state with a Mogadishu that has only advisory capacity function like Brussels.

Federalism is still to difficult to work with in Somalia because tasks and duties are shared by regions and capital. It maybe suitable after 50 years of confederacy approach when each state in the nation has progressed and developed institutions and security forces. We can discuss becoming federal only when there are states who can combine something together.

We can designate the Banadir Regional Administration full power over Mogadishu and the SFG an advisory role. We can remove the capital status of Somalia and make it 'rotate' between the confederacy for 50 years. The SFG can be hosted in each Somali state for 5 years and then he relocates to advise the next state on best policies, the SFG will be totally ceremonial and have no power whatsoever beyond giving Somali wide advice since they have access to rotate between the states.

WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO A SOMALI E.U HERE WE COME

The answer is going to be No. I believe every country should do for themselves SL, DJBOUTI and somalia should function independently without being subjugated. It's sort of simlar to the idea of a "United somali army" which comprise of somalia, SL and djbouti armies which I strongly oppose due to factors such as differences of ideas, mindsets / culture and clans could be a hindrance. Therefore a somalia that consist of JL and PL along with the other states and the recognition by the international community of SL is a better alternative. If SL is recognised as an independent country then it could bridge the gap between both Hargeysa ( sl) and Mogadishu governments (somalia) which could lead to a friendly relationship simlar to SL and djbouti or somalia and djbouti.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The answer is going to be No. I believe every country should do for themselves SL, DJBOUTI and somalia should function independently without being subjugated. It's sort of simlar to the idea of a "United somali army" which comprise of somalia, SL and djbouti armies which I strongly oppose due to factors such as differences of ideas, mindsets / culture and clans could be a hindrance. Therefore a somalia that consist of JL and PL along with the other states and the recognition by the international community of SL is a better alternative. If SL is recognised as an independent country then it could bridge the gap between both Hargeysa ( sl) and Mogadishu governments (somalia) which could lead to a friendly relationship simlar to SL and djbouti or somalia and djbouti.

We are talking about what is best for all clans not what is best for Isaaq. That's why your leaders are dismissed in local or international politics, we are not talking about Isaaq interests, we are talking about a solution that satisfies all stakeholders in the nation, that means every clan has to be satisfied. We know Dhulbahante/Warsangeli/HY/Samaroon are not satisfied with your secessionist project besides two clans HA/HJ. Besides even if you satisfied all the clans in the north, it would still be futile since that is only 5 clans satisfied now, not all clans.

When you talk about national matters, you need to provide solutions that work for all, not just for Isaaq. That is why your SNL party sucked and never won elections in the 60s, all you care about is Isaaq and politics doesn't work like that. You need to cut deals, form alliances, break down opposition, and not fire one bullet in the process, and go convince the MASSES to vote for you. If they don't vote for you, or you can't seem to get along with anyone, just step down and consider another CAREER. Spend your time where u can be successful, rather then wasting your time in an area you will never be successful. I notice Somalis waste 30 years in politics and 99% of them are clueless about politics itself. When they could've spent all that time working on things they are actually COMPETENT IN.

 

[PhySom]

A confrderacy will implode on itself and simply lead to ballanization.

The only way for somalia to grow is for one state to take over the nation.

 

[DR OSMAN]

A confrderacy will implode on itself and simply lead to ballanization.

The only way for somalia to grow is for one state to take over the nation.

In the South and Central. Let's start from Baraxlay to Outside of Kismaayo and all Gedo and South West, your dealing with a zone and area that doesn't even have stability and peace, forget institutions, forget governance, forget progress, tax collection, power sharing, constitution, rule of law, prisons, courts, armies. These people cannot even secure they're own towns without the assistance of AMISOM or Kenya or they just fall straight back into Shabab control and are threat to the rest of us Somalis and the world. This is what your talking about here.

How do we ensure they reach key milestones while not 'bundling' me or other states who have reached those milestones together. This is going to cause resentment, as I have to sit there and wait for them to catch up. Guri gubanayo iyo gurigayga nabad ii ah waxba kuma darsan kari dee or else my people will die in the process. It's a scientific reaction. Try combining two regions who are polar opposites and you will get a negative reaction and usually the competent region PAYS THE PRICE as the destruction and chaos of the south 'envelopes' it and sucks it in like black hole.

I want the South Central Zone to be governed by SFG besides any regions who have actually performed bottom up reconciliation and government building like JL. Let the Mogadishu-HS-GM sit down and say we have the same problem, we are the same stage, we have something to speak on. Let's forget PL and SL and let them be independent states so they can keep progressing further, let's not hold them back as it won't bring any stability or solution for them anyways, it wil cause Somalis to be resentful of each other like u see on the Somalispot.

 

[FBIsomalia]

Southie will always goes to centralism. PL will wait till 2022 for the next plan.

 

[PhySom]

In the South and Central. Let's start from Baraxlay to Outside of Kismaayo and all Gedo and South West, your dealing with a zone and area that doesn't even have stability and peace, forget institutions, forget governance, forget progress, tax collection, power sharing, constitution, rule of law, prisons, courts, armies. These people cannot even secure they're own towns without the assistance of AMISOM or Kenya or they just fall straight back into Shabab control and are threat to the rest of us Somalis and the world. This is what your talking about here.

How do we ensure they reach key milestones while not 'bundling' me or other states who have reached those milestones together. This is going to cause resentment, as I have to sit there and wait for them to catch up. Guri gubanayo iyo gurigayga nabad ii ah waxba kuma darsan kari dee or else my people will die in the process. It's a scientific reaction. Try combining two regions who are polar opposites and you will get a negative reaction and usually the competent region PAYS THE PRICE as the destruction and chaos of the south 'envelopes' it and sucks it in like black hole.

I want the South Central Zone to be governed by SFG besides any regions who have actually performed bottom up reconciliation and government building like JL. Let the Mogadishu-HS-GM sit down and say we have the same problem, we are the same stage, we have something to speak on. Let's forget PL and SL and let them be independent states so they can keep progressing further, let's not hold them back as it won't bring any stability or solution for them anyways, it wil cause Somalis to be resentful of each other like u see on the Somalispot.

Idk how , but we all know that the current model in somalia is simply due to the lack of trust.

It will fail just like how a divided company fails. Somalia as a whole needs a unified system with federal representatives.

 

[PhySom]

Southie will always goes to centralism. PL will wait till 2022 for the next plan.

In the long term puntland only has two choices. To take over the nation or be an insignificant statr.

 

[Younes Osman]

We are talking about what is best for all clans not what is best for Isaaq. That's why your leaders are dismissed in local or international politics, we are not talking about Isaaq interests, we are talking about a solution that satisfies all stakeholders in the nation, that means every clan has to be satisfied. We know Dhulbahante/Warsangeli/HY/Samaroon are not satisfied with your secessionist project besides two clans HA/HJ. Besides even if you satisfied all the clans in the north, it would still be futile since that is only 5 clans satisfied now, not all clans.

When you talk about national matters, you need to provide solutions that work for all, not just for Isaaq. That is why your SNL party sucked and never won elections in the 60s, all you care about is Isaaq and politics doesn't work like that. You need to cut deals, form alliances, break down opposition, and not fire one bullet in the process, and go convince the MASSES to vote for you. If they don't vote for you, or you can't seem to get along with anyone, just step down and consider another CAREER. Spend your time where u can be successful, rather then wasting your time in an area you will never be successful. I notice Somalis waste 30 years in politics and 99% of them are clueless about politics itself. When they could've spent all that time working on things they are actually COMPETENT IN.

Majority of gadarbisi and issa are pro SL

 

[Younes Osman]

We are talking about what is best for all clans not what is best for Isaaq. That's why your leaders are dismissed in local or international politics, we are not talking about Isaaq interests, we are talking about a solution that satisfies all stakeholders in the nation, that means every clan has to be satisfied. We know Dhulbahante/Warsangeli/HY/Samaroon are not satisfied with your secessionist project besides two clans HA/HJ. Besides even if you satisfied all the clans in the north, it would still be futile since that is only 5 clans satisfied now, not all clans.

When you talk about national matters, you need to provide solutions that work for all, not just for Isaaq. That is why your SNL party sucked and never won elections in the 60s, all you care about is Isaaq and politics doesn't work like that. You need to cut deals, form alliances, break down opposition, and not fire one bullet in the process, and go convince the MASSES to vote for you. If they don't vote for you, or you can't seem to get along with anyone, just step down and consider another CAREER. Spend your time where u can be successful, rather then wasting your time in an area you will never be successful. I notice Somalis waste 30 years in politics and 99% of them are clueless about politics itself. When they could've spent all that time working on things they are actually COMPETENT IN.

I didn't mentioned the interested of my clan family (issaq) Sl is not a clan enclave like PL. In addition 97% voted for independence in the lastest referendum which was observed by the international community. Therefore,there was a large issaq and Dir voters along with other citizens. But, I believe that Somalia needs to recognise SL in all honesty and it could work well for both. When it comes to issues concerning somalis , Im more concern with SL as opposed to somalia and djbouti.

 

[Younes Osman]

We are talking about what is best for all clans not what is best for Isaaq. That's why your leaders are dismissed in local or international politics, we are not talking about Isaaq interests, we are talking about a solution that satisfies all stakeholders in the nation, that means every clan has to be satisfied. We know Dhulbahante/Warsangeli/HY/Samaroon are not satisfied with your secessionist project besides two clans HA/HJ. Besides even if you satisfied all the clans in the north, it would still be futile since that is only 5 clans satisfied now, not all clans.

When you talk about national matters, you need to provide solutions that work for all, not just for Isaaq. That is why your SNL party sucked and never won elections in the 60s, all you care about is Isaaq and politics doesn't work like that. You need to cut deals, form alliances, break down opposition, and not fire one bullet in the process, and go convince the MASSES to vote for you. If they don't vote for you, or you can't seem to get along with anyone, just step down and consider another CAREER. Spend your time where u can be successful, rather then wasting your time in an area you will never be successful. I notice Somalis waste 30 years in politics and 99% of them are clueless about politics itself. When they could've spent all that time working on things they are actually COMPETENT IN.

Plus, I'm HY and i support SL get recognition just like my HY, HA and Arup family members. Therefore, to say the HY is not in agreement with SL recognition is a blatant lie. The majority of HY whether its sannag, togdheer or maroodi jeex or even sool support SL.

The formation of SL was done in Awdal province with the involvement of the gaddarbirsi and issaq clan members

 

[DR OSMAN]

Plus, I'm HY and i support SL get recognition just like my HY, HA and Arup family members. Therefore, to say the HY is not in agreement with SL recognition is a blatant lie. The majority of HY whether its sannag, togdheer or maroodi jeex or even sool support SL.

The formation of SL was done in Awdal province with the involvement of the gaddarbirsi and issaq clan members

Stop going around comparing yourself to Majerten constantly. Your truly addicted and brainwashed by US. Go be proud of yourself. Don't claim any harti land, stay with your Isaaq and Majerten could give a shit what you do, ma garatay? we just want our own TRIBE, we don't want nothing to do with you, your the one begging our harti brothers to join you. f*ck off, go do something for yourself, stop going around and causing problems in our region, we don't cause problems in your region. We honestly do not even consider you a threat anywhere.

I am building a damn nation your building a damn HARGEISA. Gurigayga waan Hagaajistay ANIGU, While I am building the Somali Federal govt. You can't compare me to you who is having issues with HY-GADABURSI and forget Dhulbahnte and Warsangeli cuz warsangeli is now all Puntland. Just f*ck off with your constant comparison with Majerten, isku qorsho maba nihin, your a fuckin tribal state based on jeegaan, and if your HY I don't give a f*ck if u wanna be slave to JEEGAAN just stay out of harti land and we got no beef, I'll even sign a new state for u. Somali won't lose anything but drug addicted population that we had to lift up in 60s, u were nothing before you met majerten edeb yeelo adoon yahow, in luqadasi lagula hadlo miyad rabta? hadi kale naga fariso and know your master is Majerten at all times.