So gala Reer Puntland, a logical debate about Garacad.

[Lex Luther]

This Map below is the Somalia Federal States where Galmudug is only Galgaduud and South Mudug, and North Mudug is with Puntland.

As you see that Garacad is close to Galmudug's Border, dont you think that Garacad Port is infeasible simply due to borderig next to Galmudug where HG are adamant in building their own Port Hobyo, as you see below map Garacad will cater to Ethiopia while at the same time also catering inside Puntland which can cause friction with reer Bari.

As for Galmudug the Customers they are aiming for are their own citizens in Galmudug, which is economically feasible because their only targeting themselves and not other states which is secondary after Galmudug.

@Crow @FBIsomalia @Boqor Quark Boqor Cisman @Finesse @GBTarmy @Fam

 

[Lex Luther]

Folks as Somalis we should all welcome any development and progress made in Somalia regardless on which lands is on.

I hope this discussion bears an intellectual fruits we can all benefit from.

 

[repo]

Garacad has many upsides.

1 - It's can be the only port between Mogadishu and Bosaso on the Indian ocean in a distance that's over 1000 miles.
2 - It can serve the entire central Somalia and the Ogaden for livestock exports. The distance between central Somalia and Bosaso is over 500 miles.
3 - It can be the main economic hub of central Somalia due to fishing grounds.

The difference between Garacad and Hobyo is that Garacad is already under construction by the Turkish firm TTN. If it is finished, Hobyo will become impractical and there won't be any funding.

 

[FBIsomalia]

Garcaad port was part of PL infrastructure vision for increasing its income for the coming years. Even lassqouri that is near to bossaso will start soon after Eyl. For your Info Eyl is near to garcaad and bossaso. Why PL build port there if will effect both ports ?. the Main purpose for PL is became the main fish market hub and collect as many fish so we can sell it to Ethiopia or another countries around the world. If Garcaad is problem to hobyo, just shift to mereeg village and build port there. Simple!.

 

[Lex Luther]

Garacad has many upsides.

1 - It's can be the only port between Mogadishu and Bosaso on the Indian ocean in a distance that's over 1000 miles.
2 - It can serve the entire central Somalia and the Ogaden for livestock exports. The distance between central Somalia and Bosaso is over 500 miles.
3 - It can be the main economic hub of central Somalia due to fishing grounds.

The difference between Garacad and Hobyo is that Garacad is already under construction by the Turkish firm TTN. If it is finished, Hobyo will become impractical and there won't be any funding.

Well said brother Masha'Allahi,

I honestly believe that Garacad can become a functional Port taking all Central Somalia Market if they joined Galmudug, other then that HGs are fully behind their own port in their Galmudug state.

So the questions remains what happens if Hobyo port is built?

This is Galkacyo to Hobyo road built by GM preparing for Hobyo Port.

 

[Finesse]

Correct me if I am wrong but Garacad is the better location, something about it being capable of being a deep-sea port and Hobyo isn't.

 

[Lex Luther]

Correct me if I am wrong but Garacad is the better location, something about it being capable of being a deep-sea port and Hobyo isn't.

Maybe that may be the case, but what im trying to say is that what happens if every states have their own Ports, Galmudug having its own port, will Puntland be able to accommodate its 2 big Ports (Bossaso and Garacad) for the same market in PL without causing frictions in-between Bari/Mudug communities.

 

[Finesse]

Maybe that may be the case, but what im trying to say is that what happens if every states have their own Ports, Galmudug having its own port, will Puntland be able to accommodate its 2 big Ports (Bossaso and Garacad) for the same market in PL without causing frictions in-between Bari/Mudug communities.

Bari community will invest in Mudug/have invested like Reer Mudug invested in Bosaso.
Same people really.

 

[GBTarmy]

Read about Hobyo and how shallow the water is, its not optimal just like Hafun in PL is not optimal.

 

[Abdalla]

So far Hobyo is just a paper idea whereaa Garacad is becoming a reality.

Eyl will have a fishing port as well.

 

[Crow]

Hobyo port hasn't started construction and doesn't appear to be starting any time soon. There are security concerns there because of Al Shabaab and the location is not ideal since it isn't deep enough. Underwater digging would be required and that is very expensive.

Instead of waiting for something that may never happen, we are building Garacad port. Garacad port is more than just a second port for Puntland. It will completely end our reliance on foreign ports to receive containers.

Berbera, Mogadishu, and Kismayo were all built by the U.S. and Russia before the civil war. Bosaso was being built by the Italians but they were only able to finish the first phase before 1991. That's why it is smaller than the rest and cannot receive containers.

Historically, Bosaso has served all of Puntland and the south. Even today, with Mogadishu port no longer occupied by warlords, many southerners still choose Bosaso because it has the lowest taxes in the country.

A port is about more than location, it's also about stability. You need a government that can guarantee its security and uninterrupted operation. The Galmudug government which often splits up into three administrations is simply not capable of that yet.

My final point is about the port planned in Baraawe. The distance between Garacad and Hobyo is 200 km. The distance between Baraawe and Mogadishu? 170 km. Yet Hawiye only complain about Garacad being too close to Hobyo. The entire argument against Garacad is disingenuous and fueled by the jealousy of an entire clan.

 

[AliUK]

So far Hobyo is just a paper idea whereaa Garacad is becoming a reality.

Eyl will have a fishing port as well.

Has the fishing port already been started or is that on the agenda for after Garacad port is built?

 

[FBIsomalia]

Has the fishing port already been started or is that on the agenda for after Garacad port is built?

Eyl on the agenda after PL sign an agreement with china.

 

[SirLancelLord]

Garacad better be able to handle containers,

As you've watched the PL parliament session bosaaso is losing business to Berbera as it only handles dhows from Salalah Oman.

P&O ports are accused of purposely not allowing bosaaso to develop to emphasise Berbera.

There's a dry port under construction outside of Laascaanood & the Bosaaso & Berbera team went together to visit Rotterdam. Somalis live working together it's politics that's wrong.

 

[towerheist]

Hobyo port hasn't started construction and doesn't appear to be starting any time soon. There are security concerns there because of Al Shabaab and the location is not ideal since it isn't deep enough. Underwater digging would be required and that is very expensive.

Instead of waiting for something that may never happen, we are building Garacad port. Garacad port is more than just a second port for Puntland. It will completely end our reliance on foreign ports to receive containers.

Berbera, Mogadishu, and Kismayo were all built by the U.S. and Russia before the civil war. Bosaso was being built by the Italians but they were only able to finish the first phase before 1991. That's why it is smaller than the rest and cannot receive containers.

Historically, Bosaso has served all of Puntland and the south. Even today, with Mogadishu port no longer occupied by warlords, many southerners still choose Bosaso because it has the lowest taxes in the country.

A port is about more than location, it's also about stability. You need a government that can guarantee its security and uninterrupted operation. The Galmudug government which often splits up into three administrations is simply not capable of that yet.

My final point is about the port planned in Baraawe. The distance between Garacad and Hobyo is 200 km. The distance between Baraawe and Mogadishu? 170 km. Yet Hawiye only complain about Garacad being too close to Hobyo. The entire argument against Garacad is disingenuous and fueled by the jealousy of an entire clan.

Banaadir and LS are the most populous gobols in Somalia, LS alone has bigger population than all of Galgaduud and Mudug combined. While Muqdisho port serves Hiiraan, Shdx and Northern LS. Baraawe port will serve Bay, Bakool and rest of LS and even some areas of Jubbas like Jilib.

Equating the problems Hobyo and Garacad create to Baraawe and Muqdisho isnt just dishonest but stupid. Baraawe port will be more of a problem to Kismaayo than to Muqdisho. Muqdisho has a market of its own and population centers in the interior (Hirshabelle and Afgooye). Baraawe will not even contest for that but they will try to serve the Raxanweyn market in Bay and Bakool.

 

[Prime Minister]

All of these ports are the same type for basic imports and livestock exports. If they pooled their money together it could become a transshipment hub.

 

[embarassing]

This Map below is the Somalia Federal States where Galmudug is only Galgaduud and South Mudug, and North Mudug is with Puntland.

As you see that Garacad is close to Galmudug's Border, dont you think that Garacad Port is infeasible simply due to borderig next to Galmudug where HG are adamant in building their own Port Hobyo, as you see below map Garacad will cater to Ethiopia while at the same time also catering inside Puntland which can cause friction with reer Bari.

As for Galmudug the Customers they are aiming for are their own citizens in Galmudug, which is economically feasible because their only targeting themselves and not other states which is secondary after Galmudug.

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@Crow @FBIsomalia @Boqor Quark Boqor Cisman @Finesse @GBTarmy @Fam

Hobyo port will be for Galbeed too, not just Galmudug.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

Garacad port project and Wadaagsiin road project to Connect Garacad to Galdogobs Tuur-Dhibi Customs have been in works for years before construction of the port started, our elders and business men not only secured the fundings but also built relations and involved DDSI elders and traders who on their end have succeeded to start the constructing the Wardheer to Goldogob road and will establish a trade zone in Dollo.

Unlike galmudugs our port been played for years and the necessary Infrastructure prepared with the dry dock and customs at Goldogob already operational our partners and traders from DDSI doing their part in Dollo. A combined Liyu and PSF security force and lines of communication are already established at the main custom.

Garacad port way ahead of any other port with infrastructure linking Garacad to other towns in progress, dry dock at ethio border almost finished with the Business community in DDSI being part of the planning and implementation which and all companies from PL/DDSI taking part.

Garacad port, Wadaagsiin road to Wardheer and the new international airport in Galkayo are a reality don't know about the preoperations for hobyo, it's management or who will manage the funds if its Galmudug or SFG or if Galmudug have a strong administration there to begin with etc etc but know the 2 ports have nothing to do with each other in anyway.

 

[Tucking_Fypo]

Banaadir and LS are the most populous gobols in Somalia, LS alone has bigger population than all of Galgaduud and Mudug combined. While Muqdisho port serves Hiiraan, Shdx and Northern LS. Baraawe port will serve Bay, Bakool and rest of LS and even some areas of Jubbas like Jilib.

Equating the problems Hobyo and Garacad create to Baraawe and Muqdisho isnt just dishonest but stupid. Baraawe port will be more of a problem to Kismaayo than to Muqdisho. Muqdisho has a market of its own and population centers in the interior (Hirshabelle and Afgooye). Baraawe will not even contest for that but they will try to serve the Raxanweyn market in Bay and Bakool.

Hiiraan use Bosaso port not xamars and PL is the biggest importer of goods from Hiiraan but that will change as they probably will use hobyo in the future.

 

[Engineer]

build both and let people choice where they want to export/ import from. infact for the average nomad to more competition the better the prices.

the port in hobyo btw is not being build by a clan. it is being build by Qatar.