SLAVERY......

[Omar del Sur]

Islamically, slavery is halal but I think the only way a person can be enslaved is through them being defeated after fighting against Muslims in war

 

[Xasusi]

Can u quot what he said?

"Every man born in slavery is born for slavery; nothing is more certain. Slaves lose everything in their chains, even the desire to escape from them; they love their servitude as the companions of Ulysses loved their brutishness.† If, then, there are slaves by nature, it is because there have been slaves contrary to nature. The first slaves were made by force; their cowardice kept them in bondage."

 

[Xasusi]

the qashin is nothing personal.... I just am strongly anti-Rousseau

are you a Muslim? I don't think Rousseau can be compatible with Islam

I detest that man's philosophy

You imbecil, I bet youve never read him. Ive probably read more islam than you also.

 

[Omar del Sur]

"Every man born in slavery is born for slavery; nothing is more certain. Slaves lose everything in their chains, even the desire to escape from them; they love their servitude as the companions of Ulysses loved their brutishness.† If, then, there are slaves by nature, it is because there have been slaves contrary to nature. The first slaves were made by force; their cowardice kept them in bondage."

I thought that sounded more like Aristotle.

I think he was sort of paraphrasing and responding to Aristotle in that section.

 

[Basra]

I thought that sounded more like Aristotle.

I think he was sort of paraphrasing and responding to Aristotle in that section.

Oh shi@! @Omar del Sur gone expose @SuleymanPitt aka @Lord of Warshiekh

 

[Omar del Sur]

You imbecil, I bet youve never read him. Ive probably read more islam than you also.

Calm down, man. "You imbecil" is not a way to discuss philosophy.

I have a copy of his book on the Social Contract.

The man was a weird sexual degenerate pervert who wanted random women to spank him.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I forget where I first read about Rousseau's sexual depravity but Cracked apparently has an article discussing it.... sordid stuff

"Rousseau was one of the most influential philosophers of all time. His work The Social Contract was one of the primary inspiring documents for the Declaration of Independence and strongly shaped the Constitution....

While a spanking fetish isn't exactly the most nefarious thing in the world, Rousseau was such spank-crazed bastard that he simply couldn't control his urges. While the man was living as a drifter, he would drop his pants and run ass-first at any females that happened by in hopes of getting smacked. We're guessing that most people's reaction to a bare ass charging full-steam towards them isn't going to be to spank it. Then again, maybe if you try it enough times..."

https://www.cracked.com/article_18559_6-famous-geniuses-you-didnt-know-were-perverts.html

 

[tesfey67n]

At the heart of my discussion is -- Is Slavery as a concept Haraam or Halaal?


Quran says it is Halaal. Numerous times God mention "the one you posses in your right hand"


@AussieHustler Has mentioned this many times, although he is a Kafir, so his motives are dubious.


Are we missing something as a human race???


Maybe Slavery is Halaal but under prescribed rules and regulations that it was never passed down to human race.


I mean, there is conflicting attitudes in the Quran. Like a Good deed or a penalty for some sins is to "Free a slave:


So Obviously here God wants or is pro "Free-ing Slaves" but God also acknowledges, A man can wife his slave?


So what gives?


Maybe going back to my question again?


Are we missing the Rules and Regulations of possessing a Slave?


That the "Concept" of Slavery is permissible but very complicated?



Like Men can marry 4 wives, but its complicated, you need to provide for them equally? Maybe apply same concept to Slavery too?

its not, the nature of god doesnt condone that. The quran has many writings that isnt "pure" which means arabs added their own views and opinions to it. This is common logic but tell these modern day muslims and your a Kafir"

 

[Helios]

its not, the nature of god doesnt condone that. The quran has many writings that isnt "pure" which means arabs added their own views and opinions to it. This is common logic but tell these modern day muslims and your a Kafir"

Ah another Waaqo

 

[Basra]

its not, the nature of god doesnt condone that. The quran has many writings that isnt "pure" which means arabs added their own views and opinions to it. This is common logic but tell these modern day muslims and your a Kafir"

I dont think i am in the mood to be blasphemous against Quran. So take several seats down

 

[tesfey67n]

Ah another Waaqo

im muslim

 

[Helios]

im muslim

Denying the perfection of the Qur'an is blasphemous and removes you from the fold of Islam. Idk if you know who waaqo is but he was a troll on the site who got banned recently lol

 

[Omar del Sur]

Now, having.... discussed the sordid... details of Rousseau's perversion....

someone might say......

"okay Omar del Sur, Rousseau was a degenerate but that doesn't mean his ideas were wrong"

the man who "ethered" Rousseau philosophically was José Antonio Primo de Rivera... also Maistre wrote a devastating response to him

the original text of the speech where José Antonio obliterates Rousseau is here but it's not in English.... http://www.segundarepublica.com/index.php?opcion=6&id=78


here is an English translation of part of the speech where José Antonio attacked Rousseau

I'm with José Antonio on this....

Maistre also wrote a really strong critique

EDIT: also, to elaborate and explain why exactly I believe Rousseau's philosophy is against Islam....

"Popular sovereignty in its modern sense, is an idea that dates to the social contracts school (mid-17th to mid-18th centuries), represented by Thomas Hobbes (1588–1679), John Locke(1632–1704), and Jean-Jacques Rousseau(1712–1778), author of The Social Contract, a prominent political work that clearly highlighted the ideals of "general will" and further matured the idea of popular sovereignty."

he was one of the big promoters of the concept of "popular sovereignty"..... who just happened to also be a degenerate as well, interestingly enough.....

this is directly in opposition to the correct and Islamic stance- divine sovereignty, that sovereignty belongs to Allah

in fact it goes against one of Allah's attributes- Allah is Al-Malik..... so the doctrine of "popular sovereignty" is blasphemous and goes directly against Islam (and even the Bible, as divine sovereignty is even in the Bible)

 

[Xasusi]

I admit, yes I was fully exposed. I knew it was aritotle, but didnt think someone would look up the quote.

 

[Abdi Caato]

I mean, there is conflicting attitudes in the Quran. Like a Good deed or a penalty for some sins is to "Free a slave:


So Obviously here God wants or is pro "Free-ing Slaves" but God also acknowledges, A man can wife his slave?


So what gives?

Ayeeyo there is nothing conflicting about this kkkk

Many times Allah SWT has encouraged Muslims in the Quran to manumit their slaves (for our 68 IQ brothers - this means to free him from the shackles of slavery kkkk)

In fact it is one of the best expiation of sins. Many ahadith mention the virtue of manumitting a slave too. So it is clear that Islam encourages the freeing of slaves

Ayeeyo, slavery is something which has existed since time immemorial and still exists today. Islam puts regulations on it, gave slaves rights and tells us to free them whenever possible

 

[Basra]

Ayeeyo there is nothing conflicting about this kkkk

Many times Allah SWT has encouraged Muslims in the Quran to manumit their slaves (for our 68 IQ brothers - this means to free him from the shackles of slavery kkkk)

In fact it is one of the best expiation of sins. Many ahadith mention the virtue of manumitting a slave too. So it is clear that Islam encourages the freeing of slaves

Ayeeyo, slavery is something which has existed since time immemorial and still exists today. Islam puts regulations on it, gave slaves rights and tells us to free them whenever possible

Shukran walaal

 

[Hodan from HR]

@Basra

This excerpt is from the farewell sermon of Prophet s.a.w (hajattul widaa).

The role of a leader in Islam is one of humility and responsibility. Basically, you have to put everyone before you. Slave owning is therefore not a glamourous lifestyle for the average muslim compared to the cadaan colonists.

It should also be noted, prophet p.b.u.h encourage freeing of slaves and freed many during his lifetime. Slavery though not totally haram is not justifiable.

A muslim who fantasizes owning a fellow human (as we all are descendants of Adam A.S) should do a double check on their state of imaan.

 

[Lord of Warshiekh]

Oh shi@! @Omar del Sur gone expose @SuleymanPitt aka @Lord of Warshiekh

There is no ‘exposing’.

I wrote Aristotle’s name at the end and built on his principles about morals.

 

[Cilmi-doon]

Slavery in premodern Muslim societies is an inconclusive topic.This is where I’d draw the line: All forms of mistreatment should be condemned.

 

[Aladdin]

I just read an amazing New york Time Magazine article called 1619 project.


Fascinating walaahi.


Is Somali spot intellectual enough to discuss this Slavery Topic? We need a mature, informed scholarly people to discuss this heavy subject.

Slavery is Haram simply because hadith talks about not to cheat people who work for you nor oppress people but I think "slavery" was relaxed thing back then because you had poor people working for lesser poor person to context they would be paid nothing when I visited Africa I had seen maids who work around the house just to eat and be paid little bit money monthly can you imagine working in house just to eat. but 2019 we know better if you have the funds you have to pay fairly rate to your house keeper it Haram to keep your house keeper starving you while you enjoy 5 course meals