Siyad/Farmajo. Two Leaders Who Divide Somalis

[DR OSMAN]

To understand Somali politics, it's very rare or non-existent where a leader is truly loved 100% by all Clans. Even the civilian govt from 1960-1969, it's not a straight forward story. The only two who really managed to break that universal acceptance was aden adde(President of 1960) and abdirashid haji hussein(PM). Abdillahi Issa also was called a true patriot.

But some argue the nation was NEW and the local conditions were very united due to colonialism. How they would've fared in later conditions is different story. But Siyad was different case all together, the man actually left behind a legacy.

That's the great thing about leaders who do something, it can be evaluated if it's good and bad, where-as leaders who waste their time or god forbid remain idle only lead to regrets. The motto I live and die by is not only for leadership but general life. Making a decision whether it's good or bad is better then no decision. if it's good, u rejoice, if it's bad you learn, if it's nothing tho, it only lead to regrets. So no decision or make any moves is the worst outcome for any human being not bad decision makers at least they give you a lessons learned.

But back to Siyad. The guy honestly divides every clan family in the nation, down to even 'two brothers. I would witness in awe as clans within themselves would raise their voice at each other in FKD in support and against. I put it down too it's the magic of leaving a 'legacy' cause people can actually talk about it, unlike leaving behind nothing.

Then I saw the same effect with Farmajo, clans were either for or against, even tho the 'FOR' was much larger when you see public confidence in his rallies(it's not an igu sawir) that one. I witnessed also Somalis prefer personality/character of the leader rather then what his philosophy is. I rejected Farmajo on the grounds of his philososphy, i knew if he was in our camp and with his public confidence, it would be a wicked combination. But it was not to be.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Please @Libaax-Joore do not ruin this thread chasing me around becuz u feel guilty over your opposition aragti xumo. Keep the FKD in the other. The Nuclear option was realeased on you and your running around like 'diyano' throwing a fit of rage marki laga adkaaday.

U know the nuclear option, I won't go into it here. I know two mistakes my family did. We thought HG wanted power and ppl were being irrational not to let them lead untill we saw abdiqasim salat rejection, we didn't go into 'sob story' like you saying we are RIGHT, we changed immediately, we put it down as 'aragti xumo' and joined the Abdillahi Yusuf camp immediately. We r still loyal to the 'yey' camp and we seen the legacy it left for Hamar. Done.

Adigu lakinse isma gabte ba tahay, u will even be sent to hell by jama and u will still say 'tolayay'

 

[DR OSMAN]

Now that i am in the PL Camp and Federalism waan ku gowracan ahay due to some of our own aragti xumo about HG wanting power only and the nation will return to normal. I am very worried we are still playin the waiting game of 91-98 at the expense of ourselves and the nation. It's been 2004-2023, a much longer period of 'idlness' and I told u guys the worst option is 'idlness'.

I know the issues stems from Mogadishu AGAIN before it spreads into the south and indirectly into PL/SL. I proposed medium solution which isn't extreme 'decision' of Sovereignty due to unionist nation wide.

A medium ground is 99 year independence treaty with a federal review/union clause every 25 years untill such time the 99 year treaty is complete following in the china/hong kong model. If by such time in 99 years the conditions haven't reached the PL Model of federalism or insecurity persists we can discuss sovereignty, treaty extension or if it has reached acceptable federal union standards then we merge.

This helps Somalinimo allowing one part to save itself to return for the other parts later, it ends the idleness or never-ending conflict post 2009-2024 which is 14 years. It fosters a healthy somali focusing on itself not OTHERS and when these healthy somalis re-emerge to create an even healthier somalia.

But current posture has led to nothing but destruction coming from the south, while PL added positivity to Mogadishu when you look at where they are today compared to pre-2004.

 

[DR OSMAN]

This is genuine concerns for unionist and somalis who are not grabbing the wrong party.

1930-1991 - PL entered hamar after it's kingdom was sacked by force. They left behind a positive legacy. In return they got genocide of un-armed civilians and looting. They even forgive/forget this period becuz what came after 'statelessness' was far more scarier.

They waited 1991-1998 not fighting any clan offensively and returned to their territories as HG wanted. Then Cairo conference declared a HG/Abgal govt showing it wasn't a national govt and returning to the failed philosophy of centralism. PL was created in response. Then when a TNG came with another centralized govt, we rejected it on philosophy and even they couldn't get warlords out of mogadishu proving HG wasn't seeking govt.

Post 2004 to now even tho bloodshed happened in hamar, it had to becuz what do u expect when Abdiqasim couldn't remove his warlords proving they weren't interested in a govt. Then we respected somali wishes and resigned in 2009. PL brought positivity to Hamar for 100 years when it reaches 2030, our 100 year anniversary in Somalia.

We let Sharif take power and then HG split off as shabab proving it doesn't care 4 a government. Even if u name HG, abgal, marehan, or mj, they won't CARE who is running it somaliyay. But at least Somalis reached a gentleman agreement about them which is a HUGE milestone, that somalis actually agree on something

 

[DR OSMAN]

The other problem HAGS need to understand. PL isn't as fussed on who runs the SFG, but the guiding philosophy of it. We are sick of no SFG telling it's 'aragti' constantly which means they want the ma tashan anigu iyo adiguna ma tashan kartid. We don't want people in power who do not declare their philosophy becuz it means your only there for 'self interest, status, lug goyo, xaa cuna, or even destruction' cause those are the only symptoms PL has witnessed since 2009 till now.

Those 14 Years, PL could've completed many milestones against it's development plan. Time is of the essence. We have a diaspora generation mellenial who will all expire by 2080-2100 period. If we lose this small window, Somalia will be stuck with local dynamics and not diaspora talent assisting.

 

[absame100]

Divide?? Is that what your NGO/Xalane masters told you to write?
Barre & Farmaajo are the only nationalist leaders this country ever had.
They would both win elections handily if they were held today.
You Somalis are like ostrich's, with your head in the sand, with your heads full of empty dreams and fantasies.

What Somalia today. A international prostitute, controlled by Cadaans, NGOs, Bantus, Amison and the UAE.

 

[Somali Saayid]

Divide?? Is that what your NGO/Xalane masters told you to write?
Barre & Farmaajo are the only nationalist leaders this country ever had.
They would both win elections handily if they were held today.
You Somalis are like ostrich's, with your head in the sand, with your heads full of empty dreams and fantasies.

What Somalia today. A international prostitute, controlled by Cadaans, NGOs, Bantus, Amison and the UAE.

Interesting. I never heard of an OG who speaks positively of Barre or Faarmajo.

 

[Abu Hesi]

Interesting. I never heard of an OG who speaks positively of Barre or Faarmajo.

You saying you never met Abgaal talk like this too, wey dhacdaa, some people danahooda ayaa muhiim u ah.

 

[Somali Saayid]

You saying you never met Abgaal talk like this too, wey dhacdaa, some people danahooda ayaa muhiim u ah.

Nah it's just that I always thought Somali clan really hated certain figures. But what @DR OSMAN is saying is right.

 

[absame100]

Interesting. I never heard of an OG who speaks positively of Barre or Faarmajo.

What is the alternative?

You humiliated HAGs with your leaders who get slapped in their face, who would sell your mothers for money.

President Farmaajo would handily win election today if an election was held.

But the west and the 'international community' will prevent 1P1V at any cost because their stooges are there.

 

[TekNiKo]

What is the alternative?

You humiliated HAGs with your leaders who get slapped in their face, who would sell your mothers for money.

President Farmaajo would handily win election today if an election was held.

But the west and the 'international community' will prevent 1P1V at any cost because their stooges are there.

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Its truly a shame Farmaajo was the only hope for many Somalis

 

[Muse Guud]

Farmaajo was overall a good president. He was anti-corruption, really built up the SNA, put the IC community on their toes but still i'm a federalist first, with a finished constituation and proper federilsm in place i wouldn't mind Farmaajo.