Siyad Barre The Most Divisive Man In Modern Somalia

[Rationale]

Lol under Afweyne if you werent Darood you were second class citizen no amount of sugarcoating will get us to support that genocidial maniac who tried to change verses of the Holy Quran(act of kufr). It was Daarood that lost something in 91. With his downfall the rest of us could only gain.

He took our businessmen on a plane and told us to choose between war or submission and Im glad we took the war, his biggest mistake was making Hawiye his enemy. @DR OSMAN afweyne gave us an ultimatum we didnt backdown, simple as that.

We are fine with what came after him, we certainly don't miss him. Daaroods are not and thats understandable, the average Daarood had it good enjoying booli qaran.

Somali nation died 1972 when SRC became one man show. It was put to coffin in 1991 and the Burial was 2007. Only fools put the nation before their clan.

 

[anon2]

You are right @DR OSMAN, they are completely uncompromisable. They didn't have a Somali language, a working government or any industry before Siyaad, just look at the post above. Total delusion.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Somalia under a Darood was always doomed this is what you don’t understand. And you are right I do believe hawiye is best to lead Somalia. Doesn’t make sense for a minority to lead any country. To have buy in for a government, the majority must rule. Hence why I support 1m1v in the future once we build the institutions to ensure a stable Somalia is born and protected

If u r majority n landheere why u beg for 4.5 its only darods who r prepared to face u and want that shit gone, if we were minority wud we say that?

 

[Rationale]

You are right @DR OSMAN, they are completely uncompromisable. They didn't have a Somali language, a working government or any industry before Siyaad, just look at the post above. Total delusion.

There is nothing to compromise when it comes to Afweyne, you can choose to either disown him or support his tribal policies. We dont give the man who made the government his personal family business any leeway. Waa qurun qurun dhalay. You can crtisice what ever came after him but praising him is out of question.

 

[DR OSMAN]

IMO Wacbudhan and Cayr are the two largest juffo in Somalia. I’m certain if you were to add the population of these two, it would be larger than the population of Jubbaland

Largests jufo? then why such tiny goof kkkk, why cant u capture more land and expand in history or today, ur tiny bro, u begged for 4.5, not darod. 10 states is darod, 4 states is yours, land measurement majerten has bigger land then hag combined just majerteniya bosaso to galkayo road is proof n hamar to galkayo same distance, plus we have doolo n jl

 

[Rationale]

Largests jufo? then why such tiny goof kkkk

Is Kazakhstan more laandheere than Western Europe?

Why are you devoid of logical thinking?

 

[bidenkulaha]

Largests jufo? then why such tiny goof kkkk, why cant u capture more land and expand in history or today, ur tiny bro, u begged for 4.5, not darod. 10 states is darod, 4 states is yours, land measurement majerten has bigger land then hag combined just majerteniya bosaso to galkayo road is proof n hamar to galkayo same distance, plus we have doolo n jl

@Prince of HS @Rationale there he goes again. Boasting about landmass as if he’s never heard of a thing called population density.

Russia biggest country in the world - 143 million. Bangladesh, 155 times smaller - 170 million.

I might have taken him more seriously if his adult population in his biggest city wasn’t 60,000. He self exposed this. Less than 10% of the original claim. PL pads its population stats to get aid.

 

[Calaami]

Is the purpose of 1p1v to uphold 4.5 or to let everyone choose who they see to be fit, regardless of clan?

Samareeb IQ is a marvel to behold

 

[Som]

Good. This is a balanced opinion. I will just go over some of your points against Siad.
1) Siad was surrounded by traitors after the 1978 withdrawal from Ogadenia. Even if he wanted to step down there was a risk of a civil war but I agree that he should have at least tried. Siad was a dictator but there are many shady people who he arrested and then freed, Aidid was arrested and released and then he stabbed him in the back.
2) Siad didn't specifically hate people for their clan. He was ruthless with any sign of opposition and this affected the clans of the major opposition groups. This is still terrible and unjustifiable
3) Siad was a flexible socialist, after Somalia abandoned the Soviet influence sphere Siad became less Orthodox in his socialist approach
4) again the guy though all opposition was a 100% guarantee of state collapse so he adopted brutal methods. Still unjustifiable.
Overall Siad was controversial and did many bad things but under his rule Somalia was a normal respected country with potential to develop

 

[GaradShabeel]

Samareeb IQ is a marvel to behold

kkkkkk. I don't get how one can have that mindset. What makes him think that his clan will always rule. I mean, speaking for ourselves, Daroods have always voted after interest based on ideologies (like in a real democracy) then along clan lines. That's why Darood is the most diverse of the main clans of 4.5. Others should maybe follow suit, rather than being fooled by his own clansmen, who they don't always share the same interest, kkkk.

 

[anon2]

There is nothing to compromise when it comes to Afweyne, you can choose to either disown him or support his tribal policies. We dont give the man who made the government his personal family business any leeway. Waa qurun qurun dhalay. You can crtisice what ever came after him but praising him is out of question.

No one is praising him but you are too low iq and emotional to see it though. I am saying you and whoever thinks like you is uncompromising, has nothing to do with Siyaad. You all lack critical thinking

 

[Calaami]

kkkkkk. I don't get how one can have that mindset. What makes him think that his clan will always rule. I mean, speaking for ourselves, Daroods have always voted after interest based on ideologies (like in a real democracy) then along clan lines. That's why Darood is the most diverse of the main clans of 4.5. Others should maybe follow suit, rather than being fooled by his own clansmen, who they don't always share the same interest, kkkk.

HAG have the ability to vote outside of their community after one of their sons do wrong by them. Ex: GM voting for Farmaajo in 2015 out of HSM naceyb.

Daroods consistently vote for ideals not clans, Kablalax picked HSM up from Jazeera Hotel and plopped him onto Villa Somalia

 

[GaradShabeel]

HAG have the ability to vote outside of their community after one of their sons do wrong by them. Ex: GM voting for Farmaajo in 2015 out of HSM naceyb.

Daroods consistently vote for ideals not clans, Kablalax picked HSM up from Jazeera Hotel and plopped him onto Villa Somalia

kkkkk. And the same Daroods will be one to dump him next time, now that he switched back to his old-self and our interests doesn't match anymore. (Unless he gets saved). These people can't be trusted, but we won't always stay loyal to you, lol.

 

[Rationale]

No one is praising him but you are too low iq and emotional to see it though. I am saying you and whoever thinks like you is uncompromising, has nothing to do with Siyaad. You all lack critical thinking

This whole thread is based on the notion that Afweyne is a controversial figure. It is literally the title of this thread.

 

[Rationale]

HAG have the ability to vote outside of their community after one of their sons do wrong by them. Ex: GM voting for Farmaajo in 2015 out of HSM naceyb.

Daroods consistently vote for ideals not clans, Kablalax picked HSM up from Jazeera Hotel and plopped him onto Villa Somalia

Ideals kulahaa, Daarood are always mucaarad simply because strong and stable FGS is what you oppose. No sitting government will enjoy PL support you are on an endless mucaarad train and it is actually Hawiye who vote based on interests.

 

[El Nino]

Siyad Barre simply wasn’t the man for the job. Imagine, he had the whole nation in a chokehold. All he had to was not to invoke clan tensions that have plagued somalis forever. The man could have ruled somalis until his death but wasted everything.

What did he do? He starts favoring other clans over others and punishing harshly his opponents, killing and imprisoning them. Somalia was doomed because of a incompetent dictator.

My biggest issue with him was the militarisation seen in Somalia. You don’t give heavy weapons to people who massacre each other as a hobby. Granted, militarisation was going on in Somalia befoee him but he should have stopped it. Somalia had one of the best armies in Africa for what. Our people were high after independence, somali nationalism was in full swing and our people clearly were not thinking straight.

We were still killing each other for resources and still are, he should have focused on that and not do anything that could harm this. Uniting against Ethiopia doesn’t work when there is a drought and your neighbours well is still flowing. He should have solely worked on improving the infrastrustructure and securing food self-sufficiency. He did this but all this effort wentto drain in the end due to his fuckups.

In conclusion Mohamed Siyad Barre simplu did everything what a dictator shouldn’t have done in Somalia. A better man would have got the job done but we cannot change the past. He will answer for his crimes on the day of Judgment.

 

[Calaami]

Ideals kulahaa, Daarood are always mucaarad simply because strong and stable FGS is what you oppose. No sitting government will enjoy PL support you are on an endless mucaarad train and it is actually Hawiye who vote based on interests.

I don’t mind a strong and stable FGS. If anything you’re the constant mucaarad, whenever you aren’t on the kursi you do this BLM ting

 

[Prince of HS]

I don’t mind a strong and stable FGS. If anything you’re the constant mucaarad, whenever you aren’t on the kursi you do this BLM tingView attachment 255395

Extremely hypocritical coming from an MJ. Puntland/MJ has had problems with every president/FGS since AY left.

 

[Ragaasi]

4.5 is dulmi against Hawiye. Less than 25% representation. We’re only surviving politically because of the KG and SL MPs. Daroods have two big states in PL and JL while Banadir the biggest population region is not a state. Yet they contribute nothing to the FGS.

1m1v will allow for the end of 4.5 power sharing too. A big clan like Cayr can have multiple Ministers. Currently we have to share a measly one with HG. Another dulmi. In my opinion this will be fixed by 1m1v given our strong presence in vast swathes of the country and our ability to weaken any president if they aren’t allied

A good man once told me sometimes, the best form of response is to just point and laugh.

 

[Calaami]

Extremely hypocritical coming from an MJ. Puntland/MJ has had problems with every president/FGS since AY left.

I don’t represent every MJ, I said “I don’t mind”.

I believe thinking outside of the box with regards to clan politics is a good thing. There are MJ politicians I despise and Hawiye ones I support.

I’m a politically evolved Somali