Siyad Barre The Most Divisive Man In Modern Somalia

[DR OSMAN]

I won’t lie, MSB dowlad built nearly all the infrastructure we have. Somali leaders are given hundreds of millions to repaint the roads he built with a tenth the capital.

An oday told me of how when he was a teacher in Bari, in one of the extreme points I wanna say Caluula there was a typhoon/hurricane. MSB sent military helicopters to evacuate the town. Who does that?

I heard sheikh idris say he used to get his mail delivered from abroad n locally to his qandala when he was there.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Calaami Darods tend to leave us better off is what I noticed with their accomplishements touching all somalis, so their isn't an appetite for that regionally or globally is my assumption. Similar to how uk backed saudis to smite turkey caliphate, so saudi can lead islamic world and that was calculated strategy not just becuz they wanted to destabilize turkey, but to ensure the islamic world is led by politically ignorant ppl emerging from the desert, this tactic is being used backing HAG on the nation leadership.

 

[Calaami]

@DR OSMAN one thing that leaves a nasty taste in my mouth is when Darood users here support/don’t challenge HAGItes dumping the responsibility of their crimes on the shoulders of MSB

 

[Keep it a boqol]

 

[DR OSMAN]

Even HSM praises MSB.

The worst person is those who let their 'feelings' over-rule their intellect and will refuse to acknowledge the evidence to accomodate their feelings. If u benefited from siyad either direclty under his rule or indirectly the kids of those who benefited, it makes u look dishonest not acknowledging it, it means to others 'even if they help somalia' today u will turn on them tommorow no loyalty or principle.

 

[Prince of HS]

@DR OSMAN one thing that leaves a nasty taste in my mouth is when Darood users here support/don’t challenge HAGItes dumping the responsibility of their crimes on the shoulders of MSB

What? We are reminded through darood calcaal of post 1991 every two business days on here

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Keep it a boqol 💯 hadi ki shalay wax ku taray aad caynaysid, it will make me suspicious to help u also. I think this dishonesty discredits our leaders to international partners. Acknowledge and honor the legacies of those before you and then use that and better it not discredit it.

 

[Calaami]

What? We are reminded through darood calcaal of post 1991 every two business days on here

You wouldn’t have been paying well attention enough to catch it because Daroodist discourse isn’t your interest just as Hagist discourse isn’t my interest.

I’m vested in the welfare of my clan first and then greater Somalia. Is that unfortunate? Yes. But this is what the current system made us.

 

[TekNiKo]

My dad is a wise old majerten man, he was asked to come to PL by farole but refused, his said 'tusbax' ayaan wata 4 my dembi on siyad by working for him n using his salary to help SSDF. He said since due to that, his life was taken away from him by allah for being a munafaq.

He isn't like other somalis who want money or post those r the 'gaajo' ppl, his only now waiting for the 'dhaxal' of his jifi to be handed to him from his father brother as his next in line and eldest, I will provide alot of advice to him on horumarka n danta beesheena and take the mantle after him. Im secularizing my jifi bah dubays to use natural mind for the world not supernatural as my vision is we be the human capital 4 the nation. I will base my argument aa 69 IQ needs to increase first not their islam, islam needs intelligent ppl as a foundation.

Thru inteliigent ppl a more truthful knowledge based islam will develop, not the HG islam thats floating around, islam qurxoon miyad diidan tihin is my war cry as i debate the other odays of my time when im holding the mantle. Do u want an islam that is against our intelligence n reasoning n evidence, an islam that is ugly were ppl live in sewages.

Mudane HSM also recognizes MSB AUN

 

[Prince of HS]

You wouldn’t have been paying well attention enough to catch it because Daroodist discourse isn’t your interest just as Hagist discourse isn’t my interest.

I’m vested in the welfare of my clan first and then greater Somalia. Is that unfortunate? Yes. But this is what the current system made us.

I’m far from a hagist/hawiyist but Daroods on here just lump us all together so to speak ill of any hawiye clan would be doqoninimo and free entertainment for the daroods.

 

[reer]

I’m far from a hagist/hawiyist but Daroods on here just lump us all together so to speak ill of any hawiye clan would be doqoninimo and free entertainment for the daroods.

because hawiyes share xamar. if you were karbashing each other for the city we would differentiate.

 

[TheProfessor]

I will write a small piece on this man who ruled Somalia for 21 years, as he is still a very divisive man. I support the PRO Siyad camp and I will declare my bias, I myself wouldn't be where I am without his investment into my father diplomatic career. The supportive arguments I will list for siyad will be listed below.

1. Nothing of his calibre has been seen after him is an agreeable fact no matter how much you love your clan this is a fact
2. The man's economic vision to turn us into light manufacturing nation and converting all the peasants with jobs is a fact, where-as now what we have is a black-market(untrustable products n goods) and on top of that an oligarchy model and 99% poor.
3. The man's vision to make us energy independent thru the baardheere electricity dam
4. The man vision to bring oil developers is well known
5. His cracking down rebels n political islamists(it started in late 70s) is commendable how he say the dangers of it, as saudi was sending islamists back to their home country to radicalize the population so the west doesn't touch their oil
6. His ethno nationalism of somalinimo was 'real' undeniable(war with ethiopia)

Arguments against

1. Dictatorship and not transferring power but some dictatorships are good and benevolent, their not all the same, it's a spectrum they just usually turn out bad is the prediction
2. His targetting of of civilians in rural or urban settings due to clan, especially rural nomads infrastructure(scorch earth, maxaa ka galey dad reer miyi ah minding their own business). It could be argued his targetting of hargeisa was justified as the rebels were fighting from civilian quarters tho.
3. He was a socialist, i dont see that as an argument as it's an idealogy to put policies for local interests at the forefront not business
4. Systematic targetting of civilians in their homes in hamar with rape n disapperance. I don't know if this 100% accurate if they were doing illegal things, he can enforce the law of his govt.

My conclusions is I am pro siyad and he left behind his last wisdom before he left, which shockingly still rings true. 'Dal baan ka tagay, dad kama tagin', this curse is visible in everywhere I look in Somalia, their is a nation officially but technically their no ppl. Kind of like a computer exists but it's not functioning.

Didn’t siad barre killed Majerteen so why r u praising this killer

 

[bidenkulaha]

I won’t lie, MSB dowlad built nearly all the infrastructure we have. Somali leaders are given hundreds of millions to repaint the roads he built with a tenth the capital.

An oday told me of how when he was a teacher in Bari, in one of the extreme points I wanna say Caluula there was a typhoon/hurricane. MSB sent military helicopters to evacuate the town. Who does that?

Just by virtue of being in power you build things. This is one of the ridiculous defences I see consistently of Barre. Regardless most of the infrastructure was built by the Italians in Xamar, he did very little he can claim himself even on this.

Our economy however was dependent on aid from Soviet Union and was bankrupt for more then a decade of Kacaan rule. Communism is for fools

 

[Calaami]

Just by virtue of being in power you build things. This is one of the ridiculous defences I see consistently of Barre. Regardless most of the infrastructure was built by the Italians in Xamar, he did very little he can claim himself even on this.

Our economy however was dependent on aid from Soviet Union and was bankrupt for more then a decade of Kacaan rule. Communism is for fools

Fair enough.

Now I ask you a question: what did Adan Abdulle Osman build.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Fair enough.

Now I ask you a question: what did Adan Abdulle Osman build.

I presume not much either given it was a nascent country. But at the least we would’ve had a thriving private sector if Barre didn’t overthrow the government. Somalis are free market entrepreneurs. All we needed was a stable political environment.

 

[ogadeniaa]

because hawiyes share xamar. if you were karbashing each other for the city we would differentiate.

Do they really? all i hear is muursade xawadle caalal only think HG are using Hawiyoniimo to further their own interest Abgaal dont need to since they make the bulk off Xamar. Ask yourself why gaaljacel n duduble rather be under shabab?

Truth be told every big clan divides themself onto sub sub sub sub sub clan the only exceptation is Isaaqs who are defo united bc their common enemy is other Somalis no matter how sad it sounds, but even isaaq would have a tribal feud if they separated bc off garxajis bein marginalized n HA controlling the isaaq project but they holding the glue together for now.

 

[Calaami]

I presume not much either given it was a nascent country. But at the least we would’ve had a thriving private sector if Barre didn’t overthrow the government. Somalis are free market entrepreneurs. All we needed was a stable political environment.

Kek, we have too many monopolies today. Maybe state owned companies weren’t such a bad thing

 

[reer]

Kek, we have too many monopolies today. Maybe state owned companies weren’t such a bad thing

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[bidenkulaha]

Kek, we have too many monopolies today. Maybe state owned companies weren’t such a bad thing

Monopolies aren’t always a bad thing, as long as they are regulated. You can use them as a rapid growth vehicle and profit maker (which you can fax more efficiently than small business). Hormuud have built many roads, schools, hospitals and government buildings with Buruuj for example.

Look at how many of the Asian countries developed rapidly through them. Korea with Samsung is the best example

 

[anon2]

Just by virtue of being in power you build things. This is one of the ridiculous defences I see consistently of Barre. Regardless most of the infrastructure was built by the Italians in Xamar, he did very little he can claim himself even on this.

Our economy however was dependent on aid from Soviet Union and was bankrupt for more then a decade of Kacaan rule. Communism is for fools

for 10000x time, the Somali Republic was not communist or socialist . It was a mixed economy like China. No land was taken from people and people were allowed to be entrepreneurship. It was even encouraged and the state would help you start a business. People like Ali Madhi were very rich before the civil war because of it.

The Somali economy wasn't totally reliant on soviet aid, the goal of the economy was to be self sufficient in food, increase local industry and become an export economy. It also had plans to build railroads, ports, etc. Many dams and bridges were built. The Somali written Language was invented and standards, school was free, healthcare was free. The government poured money into culture and history. No matter how hard you deny it Somalia was a very decent place to live and much better for most Somalis than it is today. Before the Siyaad gov. Nepotism was rampant, you couldn't get a job if you didn't speak a colonial language, and famines were everywhere. The government didn't do anything for people.



It's as the doctor @DR OSMAN pointed out, people are blind with emotion to see the cold hard facts. You can hate Siyaad all you want but do not discredit the achievements Somali people were able to create. Everyone contributed, I am not a fan of Siyaad but I will not discredit what the Somali Republic was able to achieve under him. You can still the infrastructure built under the old government from Burco, to Balcad, to Afgooye etc, you can still what was achieved. What came after was nothing but death, destruction, corruption, famine, and it ruined the "Somali" image worldwide.
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