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were a failed state. so we have little hope. somalis are waiting to be dominated by the next xabashi. and busy with scoring temporary Ws against each other like baboons. we have hope if ethiopia completely collapses and balkanizes and maybe even descends into complete anarchy. but that is unlikely because
why?
1- both russia and america agree to keep ethiopia intact. or suffer somali domination of the horn. and ethiopia returning to abyssinian borders and being second fiddle to somalis. ethiopia is a more valuable ally and easier to control. independent somalis cannot be trusted. they would be busy with themselves instead of irredentist wars. even somalis dont trust somalis. ajnabi ka waran. :russ:

2- oromo believe in ethiopia. modern ethiopia was made from abyssinia by britain and france helping habesha fully colonize and subjugate oromos. oromos believe in ethiopia. somalis do not. oromos are mostly split between somali and christian. and then pagans. christians are ethiopian orthodox and are in truth closer to amhara than muslim oromos like @Abba Sadacha. loook at his view on amharic. they view habesha as their fellow citizens and comrades instead of colonizers.

they will NOT put a knife through ethiopia for oromoism.

3- oromos are soft. they are the biggest ethnic group. they border somalis amhara afar benishangul-gumuz. they could wreak absolute havoc and plunge ethiopia into chaos. dhiig kulul maleh. but the arsi oromo are brave people. they have somali-like warrior traits. oromos in general they are a docile people. easy to rule. they would rather fight somalis in the highlands while their faces are stuffed in amhara c*ndho.


4- somalia being a failed state. even in the 60s when the army was small. siad barre was taliyaha xoogga dalka and he was arming somalis and oromos. if there was even a moderately armed somali state. it would get galbeed back. uhuru wuu isku kaadin lahaa.

5- oromo liberation army dominated by christians who follow ethiopian orthodox.

Comparing Oromo and Somalis within Ethiopia is silly bro. We've two entirely different experiences with Ethiopia. We're far more integrated into Ethiopia than you guys are. Both Muslim and Christian Oromo, for the record. For example, the Muslim Oromo of Wollo shared power with the rest of Ethiopias elites and also were targeted since they were most likely the most powerful Oromo group or one of them. Not to mention that they were a warrior like, Muslim group right in the heart of Christian Abyssinia. Same for the Yejju Oromo who ruled Abyssinia for almost a century.
Oromos essentially were among both the conquered and the conquerors, thus making our history and relationship with the Ethiopian state far more complicated. The same cannot be said for the Somalis. When the father of Haile Selassie, Ras Makonnen raided what is known as the Ogaden, he established military camps there (Ketamas or Katamas), and even formed alliances with some Somali clans who were in conflict with other clans who lived there. There were several motivating factors for the Ethiopian empire to annex the Ogaden or Somali region, one is, they wanted a buffer zone between the colonies of the Europeans in that part of Africa and "Abyssinia" (Shawa, Wallo, Gojjam, Gondar, Tigray). Of course, they wanted the resources there too.
But the Somalis never were integrated within the Ethiopian state, especially not to the extent that the Oromo were.
You're looking at our situation from the perspective of a Somali, as opposed to trying to see things from the point of view of an Oromo. Why would we want to destroy Ethiopia? So that we too can be another Somalia, but even worse, perhaps?! The borders between pretty much all of us are far from being agreed upon! If we were to secede, there'd be non stop border wars, with the so called superpowers of the world arming, training and funding the various sides, depending on which parties interests is more in tune with their own interests in the Horn of Africa. The Oromo are far from soft. We're just not as hot headed and impulsive as our Somali cousins. We're what you call, deliberative warriors. If we were soft, we wouldn't have been able to make one of Africa's strongest and most heavily armed governments retreat back to their region, without the use of firearms even. We're just different from our Somali brethren, we do not believe in non stop civil wars and violence. We have a saying: to fight once is bravery, but to always fight is stupidity!

Haqqa dha!
 
TLDR; it is an unwinnable war, looks like a stalemate, nobody has solutions.

For Somalis it is in our interest that Eritrea annexes Tigray, it would set a precedent for giving Ethiopia's territory to its neighbors.
Think about it, do you really think Ethiopia would hand over it's territory to a failed state like Somalia? At the moment, Somalia is in no position to make territorial demands against Ethiopia. In the event they lose Tigray, they'll still stubbornly hold on to the Somali region because they're confident Somali irredentism/Greater Somalia concept is dead and there is no strong Somali state that could pursue it.

As for Tigray, they're definitely better off going independent, but being landlocked would suck so joining Eritrea could be an option.
 

Apollo

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Think about it, do you really think Ethiopia would hand over it's territory to a failed state like Somalia? At the moment, Somalia is in no position to make territorial demands against Ethiopia. In the event they lose Tigray, they'll still stubbornly hold on to the Somali region because they're confident Somali irredentism/Greater Somalia concept is dead and there is no strong Somali state that could pursue it.

As for Tigray, they're definitely better off going independent, but being landlocked would suck so joining Eritrea could be an option.

It is all about setting a precedent. Not expecting Somalia to get K5 back soon, but if Tigray goes to Eritrea it would help with that.
 

digaagjecel

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It is all about setting a precedent. Not expecting Somalia to get K5 back soon, but if Tigray goes to Eritrea it would help with that.
A Tigrayan girl told me after they are done killing Amharas they are coming for Eritrea next. Every Eritrean person I’ve met so far has supported the Tigray genocide as well.
 
A Tigrayan girl told me after they are done killing Amharas they are coming for Eritrea next. Every Eritrean person I’ve met so far has supported the Tigray genocide as well.
The animosity between them is very odd, they're basically the same people. It's worse than the animosity between Yugoslavs because there's is based on religious conflict, but the Eritrean Habeshas and Ethio Tigrays have no meaningful differences.
 

Apollo

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The animosity between them is very odd, they're basically the same people. It's worse than the animosity between Yugoslavs because there's is based on religious conflict, but the Eritrean Habeshas and Ethio Tigrays have no meaningful differences.

Closest thing in Somali context would be some of those extreme Somaliland nationalists who really hate anything to do with Somalia.
 

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A Tigrayan girl told me after they are done killing Amharas they are coming for Eritrea next. Every Eritrean person I’ve met so far has supported the Tigray genocide as well.
What’s the main reason amharans and tigrayans hate each other? Is it due to both groups wanting to rule Ethiopia? Or is it rooted in something else?
 
South Sudan is closser to coapsing than Ethiopia.

We're not going to collapse, mate.

Our 'military' controls every region, every State and all the borders with our neighbours; the various rebel groups have finally conceded that there is simply no way they can topple Juba...

..Our war is essentially over; the only thing that remains now is the implementation of the 2018 peace agreement. The appetite for conflict among the general populace has waned almost into nothingness.
 
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Sheikh Kulkuli

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@Abba Sadacha can you answer this in an unbiased way as an Ethiopian?
@Abba Sadacha how fo you expect gim to answer this.

Amhara and Tigray are both the most vilest ethnic group in Ethiopia.
They have slways used Europeans to dorminate others today they are fighting to exterminate each other.

That is why I want this war to drag for a while.I dontcwant TDF to be defeated soon.I know Abye still has the resources to fight.
This war will be a war from village to village all the way to Addis abba.I guess Abye will never give up till TDF matches to the presidential palace.
 
@Abba Sadacha can you answer this in an unbiased way as an Ethiopian?

Its origin is in competing for power. Historically, the Tigrayans were more war-like, while the Amhara were more shrewd politically and able to form alliances globally and within the region [by marrying Oromo's and integrating them, Agews, and others into their armed forces]. Some Oromo warriors were invited by the AMhara king,
Tigray being more isolated, tended to stay to themselves, and not inter-marry as much, but they have mixed with the Kunama, The Irobs, The Agews, etc.
The Amhara elites have never won with outright force, they had to first beg the white man for arms and cash, then assimilate some of the neighboring groups, and add them to their christian amhara kingdom, or at the least, make them tribute-paying/tax-paying, citizens.
 
''In the 1840's King Sahle Selassie (1813-1847), grandfather of Menelik, was not only able to raise 30,000 to 50,000 soldiers, of whom about 1,000 were armed with muskets, but was also in a position to direct more punitive attacks against the once invincible Tulama and Karrayu Oromos. Though not fully successful, he had already expanded Shawan territory at the expense of the surrounding Oromo, and styled himself 'king of Shawa and the Oromo'. It is important to note here that firearms played a crucial role in the process of feudal centralization in Ethiopian history. In the words of Addis Hiwet: ''The introduction of firearms in the 19th century created, for the first time in centuries, unevenness and imbalance in the political-military resources at the disposal of the various feudal warlords. This unevenness itself was one of the factors that activated the moves towards feudal centralization in the 2nd half of the 19th century.''

[The Political Economy of an African Society in Tranformation: the Case of Macca Oromo (Ethiopia)
Book by Tesema Ta'a, Pages 71-73]
 
They are the same people. Just weird 20th century politics that made them hate each other.

Lol, I am almost about to donate to the TPLF. They are based and in Somalis' interests (destabilization of Ethiopia etc.).
There is far too much bad blood between Ethiopian Tigrayians and Eritreans for this scenario to be remotely possible.
 

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Hope a soon smooth collapse, and the Somali region leader turn into the cunniest leader out there and succeed with Somali region diredhabe and if God wills it, harar
 
How did things turn out like that when they're exactly the same?


It's only the Highlander Eritreans, or the Kebessa, who are a little over half of Eritrea's population, who share somethings with Tigrayans [such as Orthodox Christianity and similar languages], but the rest, especially the Muslim Eritreans, have nothing in common with the Tigrayans [besides religion, for the small number of Tigrayan Muslims]. The Eritrean highlanders and Tigrayans also have a history of conflict for the most part, but were allies at times, of course [such as during the fight against the derg, and in the post-derg/mengistu era, and the war of gura and gundet, fought against egypt, took place in eritea, etc].
 

digaagjecel

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The animosity between them is very odd, they're basically the same people. It's worse than the animosity between Yugoslavs because there's is based on religious conflict, but the Eritrean Habeshas and Ethio Tigrays have no meaningful differences.
What if NFD Somalis and Somalis from Somalia were in the same situation. It would be hilarious.
 

Sheikh Kulkuli

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It's only the Highlander Eritreans, or the Kebessa, who are a little over half of Eritrea's population, who share somethings with Tigrayans [such as Orthodox Christianity and similar languages], but the rest, especially the Muslim Eritreans, have nothing in common with the Tigrayans [besides religion, for the small number of Tigrayan Muslims]. The Eritrean highlanders and Tigrayans also have a history of conflict for the most part, but were allies at times, of course [such as during the fight against the derg, and in the post-derg/mengistu era, and the war of gura and gundet, fought against egypt, took place in eritea, etc].
No Eritrean christians are not majority in Eritrea.

They are a minority in power forget about that the Tigrinya people in Eritrea are only majority when you add Jeberti muslims.
Afaworki has always refused refugees from Kasala to return back home and they make up millions.
Also dont be fooled by the beef between Eritreans and tigrayans over thr years Tigrayans have been moving intonmuslim populated regions in masawa and Asab and have been issued land and settlement by Afaworki.
 

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Comparing Oromo and Somalis within Ethiopia is silly bro. We've two entirely different experiences with Ethiopia. We're far more integrated into Ethiopia than you guys are. Both Muslim and Christian Oromo, for the record. For example, the Muslim Oromo of Wollo shared power with the rest of Ethiopias elites and also were targeted since they were most likely the most powerful Oromo group or one of them. Not to mention that they were a warrior like, Muslim group right in the heart of Christian Abyssinia. Same for the Yejju Oromo who ruled Abyssinia for almost a century.
Oromos essentially were among both the conquered and the conquerors, thus making our history and relationship with the Ethiopian state far more complicated. The same cannot be said for the Somalis. When the father of Haile Selassie, Ras Makonnen raided what is known as the Ogaden, he established military camps there (Ketamas or Katamas), and even formed alliances with some Somali clans who were in conflict with other clans who lived there. There were several motivating factors for the Ethiopian empire to annex the Ogaden or Somali region, one is, they wanted a buffer zone between the colonies of the Europeans in that part of Africa and "Abyssinia" (Shawa, Wallo, Gojjam, Gondar, Tigray). Of course, they wanted the resources there too.
But the Somalis never were integrated within the Ethiopian state, especially not to the extent that the Oromo were.
You're looking at our situation from the perspective of a Somali, as opposed to trying to see things from the point of view of an Oromo. Why would we want to destroy Ethiopia? So that we too can be another Somalia, but even worse, perhaps?! The borders between pretty much all of us are far from being agreed upon! If we were to secede, there'd be non stop border wars, with the so called superpowers of the world arming, training and funding the various sides, depending on which parties interests is more in tune with their own interests in the Horn of Africa. The Oromo are far from soft. We're just not as hot headed and impulsive as our Somali cousins. We're what you call, deliberative warriors. If we were soft, we wouldn't have been able to make one of Africa's strongest and most heavily armed governments retreat back to their region, without the use of firearms even. We're just different from our Somali brethren, we do not believe in non stop civil wars and violence. We have a saying: to fight once is bravery, but to always fight is stupidity!

Haqqa dha!
kneegrow the modern state ethiopia is built on abyssinia getting french and british help to massacre and fully colonize muslim oromos. yet you believe in such an artificial production. ethiopia is the most artificial state in africa. it is artificial like israel. you are its colonial possession. you are a disgrace. ethiopia seizes to exist when habesha go back to their mountain churches and continue their past time of subjugating christian oromos. you are a disgrace.

when will the amharified menelik agents that dominate so called oromo liberation army capture addis? dont worry. they will wait for another habesha to subjugate them again.
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Apollo

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No Eritrean christians are not majority in Eritrea.

They are a minority in power forget about that the Tigrinya people in Eritrea are only majority when you add Jeberti muslims.
Afaworki has always refused refugees from Kasala to return back home and they make up millions.
Also dont be fooled by the beef between Eritreans and tigrayans over thr years Tigrayans have been moving intonmuslim populated regions in masawa and Asab and have been issued land and settlement by Afaworki.

Where do you live? The States? Have you even met many Eritreans?

I swear most of them are Christian, especially the ones in Europe.

@The alchemist (Norwegian) @Aurelian (Finnish) can perhaps confirm.
 

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