Unfortunately for too many "Muslims", the hijab has become cultural and not religious. Some girls wear hijab because they fear their parents and their parents make them wear it because they fear their community - nowhere in that equation of fear of people does a love for God enter. It's the same reason you see 6 and 7 year olds in hijab when they don't even understand concepts such as sex or modesty. As long as people do things for other people and not God, this sort of nonsense will happen and people will deviate further from deen and reason.
Should women with Hijab refused entry to pubs and clubs?
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Muji
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The hijab is political and not religious. I won’t have this circular argument with you but nowhere in the Quran does it say a woman has to wear one.
I was filled with dread and fear when I saw you quote my comment, but now my heart is full of bitter disappointment as you've rejected my attempt at another circular argument
As an aside, technically Ms. Knowles is right. The word used in verse 30 of surah an-nur is "khimar", which is a veil covering for the head, neck, and upper chest that Muslim women wore at the time of the Prophet PBUH, whereas "hijab" in Arabic originally meant a place or means of separation. This eventually came to mean a means of living and dressing modestly for both Muslim men and women (verse 30 or Surah An-Nur actually begins by telling my to guard their modesty first)
@astorecalledkmart
I have met some Muslims who argue that the sura of the Khimar only says, ‘cover your bosoms’ and that it was only intended for the pagan women who roamed the Ka’aba bare chested during that era. Why is a hair of a woman awra while men are encouraged to grow beards? Hair is hair.
Muji
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Lol for something that is not even clearly mentioned in the Quran it receives so much attention in the Muslim community. It’s literally the first passage for a Muslim woman so she can be considered as religious or devout. It’s interesting why that is considering its absence in the Quran. I would have thought characteristic traits would be more important, being charitable, not lying, not stealing, not hurting people or animals. But all of these important facets of leading a good life that benefits humanity which are mentioned clearly in the Quran are rarely spoken of when concerning women. Instead it’s cover your hair so men don’t get boners. Hence why I call it a political tool which is used to show how subjugated women are in each patriarchal dump of the Muslim world.
arawelo 2.0
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For the sake of my career progression, I have to fake socialise with the senior cadaans and these people practically live in pubs... so no 
Interesting take. Khimar literally translates to "veil covering the head" and is defined as such in many classical Arabic dictionaries such as Lisanu-l-Arab and al-Munjid.
Regardless, as alluded to above, there are far more important aspects to the deen. As a point of emphasis, while the Quran has over 6000 verses, only 6 mention women's clothing.
Muji
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Bullshit even the Saudi crown prince said the hijab is not a religious requirement. The qurans passing comment on this issue is to cover up apart from what is apparent. What apparent describes is fiercely debated. I’m sure if showing your hair was so heinous it would have been clearly mentioned.
When you argue that woman should cover up so it doesn’t lead men astray aren’t you blaming women for their own sexual assault? I just don’t see any benefit of wearing a head cover and don’t agree that it gives anyone anymore morality than someone deciding to wear a hoody.
Muji
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Can Muslim women marry Christians and Jews since the Quran doesn’t forbid it?
Muslim men: no it is strongly disallowed! If it was allowed the Quran would have explicitly stated it’s allowed.
Oh Ok so in that case since covering the hair isn’t mentioned in the Quran can we also assume that’s not allowed? Otherwise like you said it would be explicitly stated...
Muslim men: no it is strongly encouraged that you do or you will burn in Hell! You need to read between the lines of passages that do not exist. And we can also consult the preachings of some rabid Arab scholar in Saudi who abuses his wife.
Moral of the story = Muslim Male scholars have been interpreting the Quran through their own sexist culture and have been using it to oppress women. and that ladies and animals is the end of my ted talk.
Muslim men: no it is strongly disallowed! If it was allowed the Quran would have explicitly stated it’s allowed.
Oh Ok so in that case since covering the hair isn’t mentioned in the Quran can we also assume that’s not allowed? Otherwise like you said it would be explicitly stated...
Muslim men: no it is strongly encouraged that you do or you will burn in Hell! You need to read between the lines of passages that do not exist. And we can also consult the preachings of some rabid Arab scholar in Saudi who abuses his wife.
Moral of the story = Muslim Male scholars have been interpreting the Quran through their own sexist culture and have been using it to oppress women. and that ladies and animals is the end of my ted talk.
You mention ambuguity in the verse, which instead of being a point of contention, you argue that Muslims should instead focus on more important acts such as prayer, charity, and kindess, which I agree with 100%.
As a man I don't know what it's like to wear a hijab, and so it isnt my position to tell women what to wear, but I do have a tremendous amount of respect for women who do wear hijab in the current state of the world, especially when racism and Islamophobia is rampant.
Blame culture is also unacceptable, which is why that section of surah an-Nur begins with God telling men first to lower their gaze and protect their private parts.
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She could sue on the grounds of discrimination and they know this hence the apology
i mean, if you're going to a club to dance and drink, you might as well take off your hijab
@haramcadd
google & read the article
Sex clothes anger Kenyan Muslims.
Votes are tied and I don’t know what’s the reasoning behind people’s vote.
@Knowles
One of Sudan’s heavyweight Islamist thinkers Sheikh Hassan Al-Turabi came to that conclusion that Muslim women are allowed to marry Christian and Jewish men in a lecture entitled ‘The role of women in Just Governance’. He added that any Muslim who taught the opposite is misguided.
google that lecture if you could.
The reason why I voted no is because if clubs get to discriminate against hijabis then what’s to stop other establishments from doing the same? It sets the precedent that you can treat hijabis as lesser. At the end of the day, what someone does is none of your business. It’s between them and Allah. Creating more barriers will not stop someone from going astray. If they believe in Islam, they will know what they’re doing is wrong.
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